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pete r posted 11-21-2011 04:47 PM ET (US)   Profile for pete r   Send Email to pete r  
Can a VW Tiguan tow a Conquest 21? My 3 kids have just started driving and need a car. My car will be thrown into the pool to help them. The wife is going to upgrade her car soon and wants nothing bigger than a Tiguan. Over here [they're] rated to 2000-Kg towing capacity. The local ramp is only 1/2-mile away and we would only occasionally need to tow it 70 miles via flat road and mostly highway to a vacation area. My Conquest 21 has a new Ezi-loadn [E-Z-LOADER?] aluminium trailer which reduces the weight a bit.
Phil T posted 11-21-2011 05:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Phil T  Send Email to Phil T     
I would not do it.

You may be able to handle the tongue weight. You may be able to accelerate, slowly. You will have a very hard time stopping. The Tiguan is a "small" CUV. You want a mid-sized SUV.

pete r posted 11-21-2011 05:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for pete r  Send Email to pete r     
Yes Phil, that [is] what was bugging me. Do you think it to be OK towing to the local ramp only
Mambo Minnow posted 11-21-2011 05:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Mambo Minnow  Send Email to Mambo Minnow     
I can not imagine towing my 21 Conquest with my comparable Toyota Highlander CUV. I tow with a half ton Nissan pick up truck rated for 9,500 lbs.

Even a short ramp trip, I would be concerned with tongue weight and damaging the vehicles struts and suspension from excessive weight.

Tom W Clark posted 11-21-2011 05:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
1/2 mile -- Yes

70 miles -- No

contender posted 11-21-2011 05:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for contender  Send Email to contender     
Phil and Tom are correct: If you had to make any-kind of a panic stop the weight of the boat would push you down the road.
Perry posted 11-21-2011 08:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
Buy a Touareg instead. Mine is a great tow vehicle.

Jessielove posted 11-21-2011 08:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jessielove  Send Email to Jessielove     
I would say the concern is not so much whether you can tow it, but whether you can stop it safely. I agree with Tom. 1/2 mile over surface streets and reasonable angle launch ramp yes, 70 miles at highway speeds, absolutely not.

You may want to consider staying small and fuel efficient and occasionally rent a larger tow vehicle for your vacation. Consider your fuel savings and lower purchase cost into the equation and the occasional tow vehicle rental would not be all that expensive.

Make sure your insurance will cover a trailer behind a rental.

dfmcintyre posted 11-21-2011 08:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
I'm in Toms corner on this too...

Regards - Don

Basshole posted 11-21-2011 10:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Basshole  Send Email to Basshole     
I have that same boat. I would not recommend towing it with anything less than a full sized SUV or truck. Sure, many vehicles are rated to tow that much, they just won't do it well, and safely.
Tom W Clark posted 11-21-2011 10:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
I have a friend who owns a 29' Eaglecraft aluminum cruiser. It probably weighs 14,000 pounds on its triple axle trailer that he uses to store it in the wintertime in his airplane's hangar.

Conveniently the airport is less than half a mile from the launch ramp he uses. He tows the boat with a small Toyota truck for the 1990s. It might have the 3.0 liter, 150 HP V-6 or it might have the 110 HP R22E four cylinder motor in it. Doesn't much matter, it is a short haul at 5 MPH.

There is no way in Hell I'd tow a 21' Conquest (which might have a gross weight between 4,000 and 5,000 pounds) 70 miles with a VW Tiguan (which, in the US, has a 2,200 pound trailer tow capacity), hills or not.

Jerry Townsend posted 11-21-2011 11:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jerry Townsend  Send Email to Jerry Townsend     
And the next news report would be of a tail wagging the dog. The boat weighing a lot more than the tow vehicle - is not a good idea. And as Tom says - no way in hell. --- Jerry
pete r posted 11-22-2011 03:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for pete r  Send Email to pete r     
Thanks guys, you have confirmed a few [concerns] for me. You have also just reminded me of a towing experience of many years ago before we had trailer brakes. I once braked on a damp road and ended up 20-feet into the intersection. Not a good memory. Lucky there were no cars stopped in front of me.

Love a Tourag, can't afford one, they are around $7,000 secondhand 4- to 5-years old, and it is too big for the wife. The recent events have put a hold on us spending that sort of money.

I had considered hiring something for the long haul, hirings recently become a cheap alterative here too. I didn't think to check the extra cover needed for tow insurance. It will probably knock the idea on the head.

The Tiguan, even for the tow around the corner, as you advise may be risking suspension damage. I would certainly be dead meat if I stuffed the bosses new car.

I've played with the idea (thought to myself) of convincing the wife to get a cheaper new car and then I could look at a ten-year-old CUV or similar. You pay about $20,000 and hope you don't a lemon. The other thing to consider with older cars over here is fuel comsumption. Our petrol is xxy.

Oh well, I guess there is always the fight with the boys for my old 4WD.

Erik 88Montauk posted 11-22-2011 07:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for Erik 88Montauk  Send Email to Erik 88Montauk     
I had a Tiguan until very recently and it was great for towing my 17-foot Montauk. The brakes were fine, the power was fine, but I don't think I would have towed any more than my usual five miles with it, maybe 20 miles, tops. That said, a 21-foot Conquest is a much bigger beast. The Tiguan could do it, but. as others have said, that's a lot of boat to stop.
Binkster posted 11-22-2011 07:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for Binkster  Send Email to Binkster     
You can tow anything with a VW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLe3kiNGWyk
Phil T posted 11-22-2011 10:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for Phil T  Send Email to Phil T     
Given that Pete is "down under", anyone knowledgeable of vehicles offered there have suggestions?
Tohsgib posted 11-22-2011 02:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
I had a GTO(Holden Monaro) and I towed my 19 with it a few times. Did OK but the rear suspension was not happy. I could not imagine towing a heavier conquest with it. I tow my Donzi with my Jeep Liberty and it does great even though I am pushing the 5k limit. Not having trailer brakes would change that a great deal.
pete r posted 11-22-2011 04:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for pete r  Send Email to pete r     
Gee, Holden Monaro's, Tiguan's, toyota trucks. I feel as though you guys are only just around the corner.
I spoke to a mate on the weekend who suggested I look at a M class Mercedes diesel. He tells me they have really dropped in price, $19K for a 2002 model. 150 000 miles on the clock. (The trendy's now seem to prefer the BMW's).
The diesel Merc's have good fuel economy.

The M class was specifically designed for the US market and I was told they down spec the quality to gain volume sales.
The well off here had them as second cars for the wives to take the kids to school or tow the horse float.

What sort of reputation does the M class Merc have there?

Most of the time I ride a motor bike to work and only need the car only the weekend for transporting building materials and ofcourse the mightly whaler.

The other thing now is I get a sore back on long trips, so hence I avoid getting an old truck.

frontier posted 11-22-2011 06:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for frontier  Send Email to frontier     
The Mercedes Benz M-Class has a poor reliablity record dating back to it's first year in 1998.
See Consumers Reports annual April auto issues.
The current issue , April 2011, lists the 2006 and 2008 M-Class as "used cars to avoid".
In fact, the same issue has an article: "Who makes the best cars?" on page 16.
Top 4: Honda, Subaru, Toyota and Volvo.
Bottom 4: Mercedes-Benz, BMW, General Motors and Chrysler.

pete r posted 11-22-2011 09:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for pete r  Send Email to pete r     
Wow, and thanks again.
I was only warned about the one's before 2002.
The car dealerships so strong here, I think they manage to cover up alot of bad reports
David Pendleton posted 11-22-2011 10:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
I don't envy you; size and price conditions really limit your options, and certainly your safe options.

If you're willing to spend 19K, why not look for a 80's era Toyota FJ40? The diesel model was widely available in Australia and with disk brakes as well.

And you'd have money to spare.

pete r posted 11-22-2011 10:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for pete r  Send Email to pete r     
Funny you should mention Toyota,
I was about to look at that sort of vehicle.

Do you know anything about ride/comfort.

Tom W Clark posted 11-22-2011 10:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
80's era Toyota FJ40, ride/comfort?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

pete r posted 11-22-2011 11:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for pete r  Send Email to pete r     
Yes, I remember thumping around a farm paddock shooting rabbits from one of those many, many years ago.

Don't laugh. They are becoming collector items.

David Pendleton posted 11-22-2011 11:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Yes, Tom is right.

I owned a '71 for many years; rugged was a good description but really they are awesome vehicles.

I wish I still had mine.

Personally, I matched the vehicle to the boat this time around.

pete r posted 11-22-2011 11:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for pete r  Send Email to pete r     
They went up tracks you hardly crawl up
Tohsgib posted 11-23-2011 02:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Funny that Mercedees and Porsche always duke it out for #1 in customer satisfaction just about EVERY year. The 02' ML are WAY better than my 98 which was not a bad SUV, just not great. The Current 3.0L V6 Diesel put in every Benz was also available in 2007/08 Jeep Grand Cherokees so look for one of them. My bud has one and it pulls like a train. I have a 2005 Jeep Liberty with a Mercedes 2.8L 4cyl diesel and love it since new in 2005. Like I said above...kinda marginal over 4k. Funny thing is I wish we could get the stuff you guys have over here. I would KILL for a Toyota or similar sized small truck with a small turbo diesel in it. Can get them EVERYWHERE in the world but the US....why? When I had my 98 ML I said if they come out with one of these in a diesel I will buy it. By the time they did come out in the diesel I had a new car. When we needed a new car I liked the Liberty size over the larger ML and hence my choice. They keep teasing that the new smaller GLK will have a diesel but not yet here. Once I buy that, Toyota will come out with a p'up with one...I never win.
pete r posted 11-23-2011 05:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for pete r  Send Email to pete r     
Tohsgib,
You seem to like the same cars I do.
I'm trying to not make the same mistake over and over.
I usually get sucked into buying the popular and not the more practical car at the time.
Now my funds have been reduced I'm trying to get a bit smarter by taking the blinkers off and exploring a wider range of cars with turbo diesels.
It's so helpful to get good advise from people who already tow the same boat or similar. It has made the task a lot easier.

Thanks, guys

TC posted 11-23-2011 06:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for TC  Send Email to TC     
I am on my 3rd FJ40, they're great vehicles, but ride comfort? Not so much. Also, too short of a wheelbase to tow much. If I were down under, I would look for a 70 or 80 series Land Cruiser with a diesel engine and a manual transmission. I really wish we had that choice here. The 80 series has coil springs and trailing arms for great comfort.
pete r posted 11-23-2011 08:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for pete r  Send Email to pete r     
70 series had rust issues,
The 80 series is a proper beast. Alot of my offfroad driving mates sware by them. The troopy is the toughest model.
The Hilux model is a smaller 4WD with a great reputation.
I've noticed a few of them dropping in price, but they come with a lot of miles on them.

I feel now it's best to keep my choices more in the less interesting and average range of vehicles.
I believe that way, there will be more money left over to spend on the boat.
TC posted 11-24-2011 01:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for TC  Send Email to TC     
Now that you mention it, a 4 door Hilux diesel would be great, or a Surf ( our 4Runner).
Tohsgib posted 11-24-2011 09:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Pete...hold the phone! Take back your 4x4 and give your son whatever the hell he wants(probably a Civic), buy your wife the Tiguan(or Golf SUV) and you have covered it all.
pete r posted 11-24-2011 10:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for pete r  Send Email to pete r     
Tohsgib,
Probably end up doing that.
I tested the waters last night. Suggested to the boss that she could look at a 'lovely brand new' Hyundai i30 while I look for 'an old cheap' tow vehicle.
She said bluntly that it was not quiet the little merc I once promised her, but would still be happy with the Tiguan.
"Well, at least I've got that far".
Try, try again later hey!.
Mambo Minnow posted 11-26-2011 09:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for Mambo Minnow  Send Email to Mambo Minnow     
The Federal Government is funding a prototype effort to develop with Cummins a four cylinder turbo diesel for use in Nissan trucks after 2014 EPA CAFE standards are implemented.

Preliminary analysis shows that if used in to replace the 5.6L V-8 in my Titan that MPG would improve to 28 mpg.

pete r posted 11-27-2011 05:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for pete r  Send Email to pete r     
I've got a feeling there's got to be a break through in engine design very soon too.
I'am fed up with paying through the nose and the petrol bowser because manufacturers con us with old technology.

I try to be proactive and always on lookout for new alternatives.
ie. my interest in the Tiguan which I included for discussion.
Looks like it not up to my requirements, but VW have got to be commended.
I feel they have made a good attempt to provide a quality economical car which has the highest towing capacity throughout a huge range of medium size vehicles.

For those of you who have lighter BW's, I reckon it's got to be up there in choice when looking for the next vehicle.

Tohsgib posted 11-27-2011 12:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Is the VW available with the TDI?

What about a used X5 Diesel?

weekendwarrior posted 11-27-2011 01:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for weekendwarrior  Send Email to weekendwarrior     
If you want to save fuel, just get a Prius to tow with! These guys did (I have no idea if they made it to where they were going):

[img]http://www.vortexsprockets.com/images/priuschat/prius_towing_dual_axle_trailer.jpg[/img]

weekendwarrior posted 11-27-2011 01:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for weekendwarrior  Send Email to weekendwarrior     
Try 2 for the picture:

[img=http://www.vortexsprockets.com/images/priuschat/prius_towing_dual_axle_trailer.jpg][/img]

weekendwarrior posted 11-27-2011 01:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for weekendwarrior  Send Email to weekendwarrior     
3rd and final try for the image, I swear I'm doing it just like the HowTo!

[img]http://www.vortexsprockets.com/images/priuschat/prius_towing_dual_axle_trailer.jpg[/img]

pete r posted 11-27-2011 04:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for pete r  Send Email to pete r     
Tdi is the only way I would go.
When we looked for a car for my wife we considered electric, but they where xxy to get into.
The best economy wise was the Hyundai i30 desiel.

Almost every weekend I tow a trailer with building materials. Apart from the toy suspension at the rear, I find it has plenty of grunt and a buzz to drive.

pete r posted 11-27-2011 04:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for pete r  Send Email to pete r     
X5's are considered trendy so they hold their value longer.
It will be awhile before they come down in price.
Chriscz posted 11-27-2011 06:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chriscz  Send Email to Chriscz     
I have 2000 ml430 and it was great for towing a Montauk. Although I have read some of the same consumer report info on the Mercedes, I've had great luck. I haven't been using it to tow my Outrage25 because it's a bit beyond the vehicle rating of 5000lbs. I've been using a Tahoe instead.
Tohsgib, what are you towing with your merc?
domlynch posted 11-28-2011 05:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for domlynch    
I would not use a Tiguan here for the many reasons noted - boat too big/heavy, safety stopping in an emergency, would like a longer wheelbase/heavier tow vehicle, boat might be above legal towing limit for vehicle leading to difficlties insuring etc.

On another subject like some cars noted by Tohsgib, Pete r & others....I like subarus (only for light duty towing IMHO, for no more than a Montauk), Toyotas, + the other day I went for a ride in a mate's brand new Hyundai IX 35 "Highlander" 2.0litre tdi.

My first impression was a shock, Hyundai is putting out much better stuff these days - this was the top of the range model - TDi, 6speed auto box, black leather seats & trim, 2 x sun roofs (like the Suby Outback luxury/LL Bean), push start, very comfortable to boot, great economy & reasonable price. This TDI puts out about 390 odd Nm of torque, with only 2.0litre capacity. I would not use this for a large boat but perhaps it would be good for a Montauk or smaller boat say. (the limit for me is vehcile mass + wheelbase length + towing capacity)

I guess the real"x" factor is what resale would be like - but I wouldn't be suprised if its ok. Not sure if you guys get them in the States, especiallty in diesel. I wish Subaru would hurry up with an auto box for their diesels ! (preferably in outback or forester).

In summary it seems more small TDI vehicles (eg esp. VW & Korean) are coming out & could make real sense for people with small boats .

Tohsgib posted 11-28-2011 11:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
No diesels in the US except for VW, Mercedes, and BMW with the exception of 1 Audi(based on the Golf). Supposably Subaru is coming stateside with a TDI in 2014. I also heard that drivetrain might make it into certain Toyotas as well.

My 98 ML320 I mainly towed my Montauk with and short distances my 24' Baja which was about 6k with fuel & trailer. I did however tow my 20' Hydra-Sprts from NJ to FL with it. I never towed in OD, just 4th gear.

My Jeep I tow my 22 Donzi with that weighs close to the 5k limit with trailer & fuel. Does fine, maybe better than the ML due to the torque(33Ftlbs) of the diesel. It has the same trans as the ML.

Tohsgib posted 11-28-2011 11:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
That should be 300ftlbs.
tmann45 posted 11-28-2011 08:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for tmann45  Send Email to tmann45     
Tony, you missed the Audi Q7, has the VW/Audi 3.0L TDI, 405 ftlbs torque, a real mule, +/- 28 mpg on highway and 7716 lbs towing limit in the Touareg.
domlynch posted 11-29-2011 01:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for domlynch    
Tohsgib,
A shame about small/medium TDI's in the US - that might be something to do with protecting local industry ? Here in Oz we don't have a great deal either but numbers & popularity are increasing. Diesel here is priced higher than petrol, which, which despite its efficiencies, reduces incentives for diesel vehicles. Diesel vehicles also generally sell at a premium too - whether German, Japanese or Korean etc etc.

FYI - I have travelled to South Korea several times & they have a lot of small/medium TDI suvs - I think years ago buyers there had incentives to buy diesel - on the condition that, god forbid, a war broke out then civilian diesel vehicles could etc.

I'd like to see TDI's with auto getting more market share...it seems crazy Subaru haven't yet got an auto trans for their diesel offerings.....I reckon there must be design reasons (maybe can't fit one in easily, or it would not handle the torque, or it would not be very economical, not sure....but even Hyundai puts out a TDI with a 6 speed auto trans). Come on Subaru....

Cheers,

Dom

domlynch posted 11-29-2011 01:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for domlynch    
Sorry I goofed my post it should read:

FYI - I have travelled to South Korea several times & they have a lot of small/medium TDI suvs - I think years ago buyers there had incentives to buy diesel - on the condition that, god forbid, a war broke out then civilian diesel vehicles could "be commandeered by the Army"

pete r posted 11-29-2011 02:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for pete r  Send Email to pete r     
A well off mate over the road has the Q7, fancy fishing boats for different fishing locations.
They have no kids and his now sold his computer business and retired at 40. Last month he was off to Hawaii to fish.
Some have got it tuff....
domlynch posted 11-29-2011 02:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for domlynch    
Hi pete r,

Good on him... Some have it tough, some don't.....

My intention with mentioning brands eg "Hyundai" rather than Mercedes etc etc (most of which I like, they are generally very well engineered vehicles) was simply to raise the issue that the market (in some places at least) is getting broader - for all most levels of society.

Dom

pete r posted 11-29-2011 05:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for pete r  Send Email to pete r     
Hi Dom.
I was only having a bit of a stir. You should know those sort of guy's are targets for a bit of fun in Aus.

I just love the look of those Q7's. It is a refreshing change to see a car with huge grunt not have the look of a 4WD.
Have you noticed however, how much the Q7 has dropped in price lately.
Gee I reckon I could afford one in several years time.

domlynch posted 11-29-2011 06:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for domlynch    
peter r - I'm guessing you're an Aussie or have spent some time in Australia ?
Dom
Phil T posted 11-29-2011 12:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Phil T  Send Email to Phil T     
Dom - see 16th post.
WhalerAce posted 11-29-2011 03:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for WhalerAce  Send Email to WhalerAce     
Forget the 16th post -- just check the PROFILE!
pete r posted 11-29-2011 04:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for pete r  Send Email to pete r     
Dom,
Yes, originally from Bondi, Sydney.
Spent most of life in Melbourne, don't know why cause I hate the cold in winter
domlynch posted 11-30-2011 05:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for domlynch    
I thought I could sniff an Aussie...
pete r posted 11-30-2011 06:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for pete r  Send Email to pete r     
Gee Dom, It took you awhile!
Mambo Minnow posted 09-16-2012 08:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for Mambo Minnow  Send Email to Mambo Minnow     
I just attended the 2013 Newport Boat Show. VW was a sponsor. They had a new Tiguan on display. Looks like they have brought back the clean tech diesel option. Still rated to tow 7000 lbs.

Still not sure I would tow a 21 Conquest with it vs. my 1/2 ton truck.

tmann45 posted 09-16-2012 12:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for tmann45  Send Email to tmann45     
Mambo, I think you have the Touareg confused with the Tiguan. VW website does not show a TDI (diesel) available in the Tiguan and its tow rating is 2,200 lbs.
The tow rating on the Touareg is 7700 lbs.
pete r posted 09-16-2012 06:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for pete r  Send Email to pete r     
For the record guys, I have just bought the wife a second hand X5 BMW.
She says I can tow the boat with it, but not allowed to put the roof racks on it.

Cheers, Pete

Mambo Minnow posted 09-16-2012 07:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Mambo Minnow  Send Email to Mambo Minnow     
TMann, correct my bad. I meant the Touareg.

It's also another $20K for the Porsche tag on the hood.

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