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lizard posted 11-26-2011 04:47 PM ET (US)
I have been offered a swim step, that a buddy got with a recently purchased Nauset. He does not think that he wants it. He gave it to me to mock up on my Outrage 18. In order for all 4 of the mounting feet (stainless legs) to be on one surface of the transom exterior, it needs to be mounted very close to the motor. Because of the area on the transom beneath the motor is thicker than at the gunwhales, to move it further away from the motor leaves the outer upper and lower feet with no direct contact with the transom. I hope I am explaining this correctly.
It is in otherwise, good condition and I would love to have a swim step ladder. Apparently, the Nauset transom is slightly bowed but not thicker in the center, explaining its fit on the Nauset.
Has anyone tried putting a block of starboard or wood under the outer feet to mount this? Does that look funny? Should I just try to find an Outrage swim step and not try to make this work? Currently, I have a nice, 4-step Garelick SS ladder, that folds up and is bungied to the rails until used. It would be nearly impossible to deploy from the water if anyone went overboard.
THoughts, suggestions. Thanks.

contender posted 11-26-2011 05:23 PM ET (US)
Lizard: if it is the ladder/swim step I'm thinking of, you will have to put screws below the water line in to your transom, to me this is a big no, no, and I never like this designed. The other issue is that it will always be there, and this may be a problem in a tight place one day. I like the ladders that can fold and be put away with no hardware that screws into the boat(no holes). The next issue is after a while the screws will rust and the ladder will become loose. Trust me I'm not trying to knock the platform, but If I was going to do one I would close in the transom and have a custom aluminum/fiberglass one that was as wide as the transom, that the engine could mount to as well. Kills two birds with one stone, you get a bracket and a platform... Just my thoughts everyone will have a different one, just one more question: Why do you think your friend does not what it?
lizard posted 11-26-2011 06:18 PM ET (US)
Contender- he is stripping the boat of everything except what he considers bare essentials. He knew I had a Whaler and offered it to me. He is also going to be having some minor repairs to the hull and applying some gelcoat so he pulled what he does not want.
lizard posted 11-28-2011 10:07 AM ET (US)
Sending this back to the top, I really need some input. Thanks.
tedious posted 11-28-2011 10:18 AM ET (US)
I can't advise you about the platform, but if emergency boarding is your concern, try one of these: http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|294|92384&id=92369
I keep one tied to the rail of my 15 at all times - it tucks right between the seat clamp and gunnel. When I was younger I could make it on board without help, but those days are gone!
Tim
lizard posted 11-28-2011 07:47 PM ET (US)
I agree, Tedious, gone are the days of stepping onto the cavitation plate and hoisting myself over the transom. To be honest, I am not sure I could do it with the strap in the link that you provided, either.
I have a very nice, SS, Garelick, 4 step ladder, it is very easy to get aboard from the water. Downsides- I can't leave it at the dock (travels back and forth from the house each use), I have to bungee it to the rails while underway, and it takes up space. Again, I doubt I could retrieve it from the water if I took a tumble, but perhaps I should practice that.
It just seemed a transom mount solves several problems, and in this case, provides a few new ones.
lizard posted 12-01-2011 10:23 AM ET (US)
Here is another question- It is hard for me to imagine that simple wood screws into the transom would hold up to the enormous downward force of a 150-175 lb. individual pulling on the handle to get one leg up on the single step and then put all of their weight on those 4 screws. Am I over thinking that part? It would almost seem better to through-bolt it.
BBS posted 12-01-2011 12:25 PM ET (US)
Mine bolt through the transom. Can't really see the detail but this is what the ladder looks like
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d136/Bveronneau/DSCN1524.jpg
Binkster posted 12-01-2011 01:29 PM ET (US)
Here are some pics. of a custom one I built for my 13 footer. The fist 3 pics show a mahogany platform, but it wouldn't work on my boat becuase of the motor turning radius.(if anyone can use the platform(free) e-mail me. Just pay postage). So the ladder is just what it is. It extends to two steps, and is mounted by an aluminum bracket that I made that holds the ladder in an upright position when not in use. I built this a couple of years ago, and myself and others have used it many times. Its no problem to use. My days of climbing over the gunwales are over. Well, maybe unless I was in the water with a gator or a shark. Then I'm sure the adrenaline rush would get me over the side, and back into the boat.
Of course its thru-bolted, there is only foam behind the bracket, and even if it were screwed to wood, over time the screws would loosen and it would be an accident waiting to happen.

http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c191/floridaboy2053/ladder/

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Author	Topic: OEM swim step Nauset vs Outrage 18
lizard	posted 11-26-2011 04:47 PM ET (US) I have been offered a swim step, that a buddy got with a recently purchased Nauset. He does not think that he wants it. He gave it to me to mock up on my Outrage 18. In order for all 4 of the mounting feet (stainless legs) to be on one surface of the transom exterior, it needs to be mounted very close to the motor. Because of the area on the transom beneath the motor is thicker than at the gunwhales, to move it further away from the motor leaves the outer upper and lower feet with no direct contact with the transom. I hope I am explaining this correctly. It is in otherwise, good condition and I would love to have a swim step ladder. Apparently, the Nauset transom is slightly bowed but not thicker in the center, explaining its fit on the Nauset. Has anyone tried putting a block of starboard or wood under the outer feet to mount this? Does that look funny? Should I just try to find an Outrage swim step and not try to make this work? Currently, I have a nice, 4-step Garelick SS ladder, that folds up and is bungied to the rails until used. It would be nearly impossible to deploy from the water if anyone went overboard. THoughts, suggestions. Thanks.
contender	posted 11-26-2011 05:23 PM ET (US) Lizard: if it is the ladder/swim step I'm thinking of, you will have to put screws below the water line in to your transom, to me this is a big no, no, and I never like this designed. The other issue is that it will always be there, and this may be a problem in a tight place one day. I like the ladders that can fold and be put away with no hardware that screws into the boat(no holes). The next issue is after a while the screws will rust and the ladder will become loose. Trust me I'm not trying to knock the platform, but If I was going to do one I would close in the transom and have a custom aluminum/fiberglass one that was as wide as the transom, that the engine could mount to as well. Kills two birds with one stone, you get a bracket and a platform... Just my thoughts everyone will have a different one, just one more question: Why do you think your friend does not what it?
lizard	posted 11-26-2011 06:18 PM ET (US) Contender- he is stripping the boat of everything except what he considers bare essentials. He knew I had a Whaler and offered it to me. He is also going to be having some minor repairs to the hull and applying some gelcoat so he pulled what he does not want.
lizard	posted 11-28-2011 10:07 AM ET (US) Sending this back to the top, I really need some input. Thanks.
tedious	posted 11-28-2011 10:18 AM ET (US) I can't advise you about the platform, but if emergency boarding is your concern, try one of these: http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1\|294\|92384&id=92369 I keep one tied to the rail of my 15 at all times - it tucks right between the seat clamp and gunnel. When I was younger I could make it on board without help, but those days are gone! Tim
lizard	posted 11-28-2011 07:47 PM ET (US) I agree, Tedious, gone are the days of stepping onto the cavitation plate and hoisting myself over the transom. To be honest, I am not sure I could do it with the strap in the link that you provided, either. I have a very nice, SS, Garelick, 4 step ladder, it is very easy to get aboard from the water. Downsides- I can't leave it at the dock (travels back and forth from the house each use), I have to bungee it to the rails while underway, and it takes up space. Again, I doubt I could retrieve it from the water if I took a tumble, but perhaps I should practice that. It just seemed a transom mount solves several problems, and in this case, provides a few new ones.
lizard	posted 12-01-2011 10:23 AM ET (US) Here is another question- It is hard for me to imagine that simple wood screws into the transom would hold up to the enormous downward force of a 150-175 lb. individual pulling on the handle to get one leg up on the single step and then put all of their weight on those 4 screws. Am I over thinking that part? It would almost seem better to through-bolt it.
BBS	posted 12-01-2011 12:25 PM ET (US) Mine bolt through the transom. Can't really see the detail but this is what the ladder looks like http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d136/Bveronneau/DSCN1524.jpg
Binkster	posted 12-01-2011 01:29 PM ET (US) Here are some pics. of a custom one I built for my 13 footer. The fist 3 pics show a mahogany platform, but it wouldn't work on my boat becuase of the motor turning radius.(if anyone can use the platform(free) e-mail me. Just pay postage). So the ladder is just what it is. It extends to two steps, and is mounted by an aluminum bracket that I made that holds the ladder in an upright position when not in use. I built this a couple of years ago, and myself and others have used it many times. Its no problem to use. My days of climbing over the gunwales are over. Well, maybe unless I was in the water with a gator or a shark. Then I'm sure the adrenaline rush would get me over the side, and back into the boat. Of course its thru-bolted, there is only foam behind the bracket, and even if it were screwed to wood, over time the screws would loosen and it would be an accident waiting to happen. http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c191/floridaboy2053/ladder/