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Frank W posted 02-12-2012 12:32 PM ET (US)
I know there is a difference in the fiberglass layup schedule in the old Montauk 17' and the Commercial model. Does anyone have the layup schedule for either? I have gotten the plywood schedule from Continuous Wave. I'm curious to know.
leadsled posted 02-12-2012 01:13 PM ET (US)
They used a chopper gun to spray resin and chopped glass into the mold. The fiberglass was in a spool that sat on a weight scale. The fiberglass came off the spool in a small cord ( big string) and was chopped in small pieces and sprayed with resin onto the mold. The scale would tell how much glass was used. A workboat hull would get extra material sprayed into it. I believe Back when I worked there you could have just the outer hull with extra glass(bass boat specs) Or both outer and inner hull with extra glass(workboat specs). They may have added roven woven to the transom on the bigger hulls as I remember seeing the option" high horsepower transom modifications".
Frank W posted 02-14-2012 08:09 AM ET (US)
When I visited BW plant I noticed piles of cut to shape mat next to the molds as the boats were being made. I figured they must go in strategic areas. I would like to know.
egres posted 02-15-2012 09:34 AM ET (US)
Good to hear from someone that used to be part of the old manufacturing plant.
Leadsled,
I am sure that you could tell us plenty of interesting stories about those days.
boatdryver posted 02-15-2012 09:50 AM ET (US)
Hey, leadsled, were you an f-105 pilot?
JimL
leadsled posted 02-15-2012 10:12 AM ET (US)
No I was not an f-105 pilot, I was in the medical corp. I worked at all 3 plants up north. My favorite plant was CPD where we completed commercial hulls. I only have experience building the old school Whalers, pre 1990.
Binkster posted 02-15-2012 12:48 PM ET (US)
What is the definition of "hand layup" I don't think hand layup involves a chopper gun. Years ago a few of our fishing club members took a tour of the Dusky (Mako imitator) plant in Miami. On the tour our tour guide bragged that each hull was hand laid up. All I saw was a person shooting a chopper gun and a couple more with rollers rolling the glass smooth. I never saw any mat or woven roving being used. I mentioned this to the tour guide and she said, but there is a person running the machine. LOL. the 25'Dusky hull was built in two parts and joined at the keel. A friend of mine, a lawyer, represented a 25' Dusky owner, whose hull came apart at the keel in rough seas and sank. Duskys were the worse of the worse back in the day, the '80s.
egres posted 02-15-2012 03:36 PM ET (US)
Leadsled,
Wonder if you were at the old plant in the mid seventies?
Trying to get a fix on the times when my Classic 19 1975 was made.
This one was sent to the Whaler M&P dealership in Vancouver BC in the fall.
Frank W posted 02-15-2012 04:38 PM ET (US)
Leadsled.... Could we chat on the phone about making Whalers pre 1990. I have a strong interest. My email is frank@wheatonmarine.com
leadsled posted 02-16-2012 08:12 AM ET (US)
Egres,
Your 1975 banana 19' boat would have been built at the norwell plant which is a few miles from the Rockland plant which built the small 9' to 16' hulls.
I have owned a 1976 Banana 19' Outrage. When the early 19' and 21' hulls were built they did not have V-6 outboards so the 19' hull rated at 170 HP would have been rated for twin 85 HP engines and the 21' would have been tested with twin 100's pushing it to it's published 52 mph. I repowered my 19' with a 115 Merc without power trim which was good for about 38mph. I later sold the engine and put a 175 Black Max Merc on it and it would peg the needle on a tournament speedometer at 80KM or 50 mph and that was with a standard alluminum prop. Later I bought a 115 Yamaha through Whaler and that was good for 40 mph. I always had a trolling engine on it. I circumnavigated Cape Cod with that boat. It was a great boat for fishing and diving. I had the complete canvas set up and have slept on the front deck many times on trips. I miss that boat.
egres posted 02-16-2012 09:54 AM ET (US)
Many Thanks for your recollections Leadsled,
I have been trying to get info into what life and details were at the Norwell Plant in those days.
The making of those hulls,
The marine designer's team,
The detailed process of putting them together.
Seems like I can't get enough details about the time when it was happening.
I am Much Obliged by your telling of those days.
This Classic 19 below has managed to get my attention and charmed me into adopting her.
I have named her "My Girl"
She is truly forgiving and a bit snooty as all Classy Ladies will be.
This is what she looked like upon picking her up from the Government warehouse.
A few hours of work have been invested in her, making her shine again.
I will be welcoming of more of your recollections of those working days.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/821/5404155main.jpg/
Thanks Again.
Ritz.
leadsled posted 02-16-2012 10:22 AM ET (US)
Egres, nice looking Outrage, and no bottom paint!
The older Whalers were not supposed to be put on a roller trailer.
The keel is supposed to carry the weight of the boat on a keel roller trailer with bunks only there to keep the boat level. Check that those rollers on your trailer are not puckering your hull ( putting small indentations in the hull). You might get by with your trailer but keep an eye out for the dents.
When I sold my boat the rivets under the rubrail holding the topskin and hull together were starting to fail and would have needed to be replaced because of salt water use.
egres posted 02-16-2012 04:15 PM ET (US)
It is true that there is always plenty of fun to be had enjoying your Whaler.
Some of us will use and enjoy them
trading them later for a newer model.
But then again you and I must know that enjoying time making them shine again can be just as rewarding.
I know that the trailer should ideally have bunks.
The unit came for sale as is ad to modify the trailer has not been done yet.
You can view a bit of the work done on her so far here..
http://www.whalercentral.com/userphotogallery_3.php?album_id=13
And since you used to worked at the plants
Feel free to give me your comments on the details toward completion on this Classic.
If inclined to do so that is.
FISHNFF posted 02-16-2012 07:34 PM ET (US)
When I ordered my 17 Alert in 1997, I was asked where I wanted the extra 150lbs of glass.
I put it inside and out, from bowlocker to where I would stand.
FISHNFF

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Author	Topic: Fiberglass lay up schedule 17'
Frank W	posted 02-12-2012 12:32 PM ET (US) I know there is a difference in the fiberglass layup schedule in the old Montauk 17' and the Commercial model. Does anyone have the layup schedule for either? I have gotten the plywood schedule from Continuous Wave. I'm curious to know.
leadsled	posted 02-12-2012 01:13 PM ET (US) They used a chopper gun to spray resin and chopped glass into the mold. The fiberglass was in a spool that sat on a weight scale. The fiberglass came off the spool in a small cord ( big string) and was chopped in small pieces and sprayed with resin onto the mold. The scale would tell how much glass was used. A workboat hull would get extra material sprayed into it. I believe Back when I worked there you could have just the outer hull with extra glass(bass boat specs) Or both outer and inner hull with extra glass(workboat specs). They may have added roven woven to the transom on the bigger hulls as I remember seeing the option" high horsepower transom modifications".
Frank W	posted 02-14-2012 08:09 AM ET (US) When I visited BW plant I noticed piles of cut to shape mat next to the molds as the boats were being made. I figured they must go in strategic areas. I would like to know.
egres	posted 02-15-2012 09:34 AM ET (US) Good to hear from someone that used to be part of the old manufacturing plant. Leadsled, I am sure that you could tell us plenty of interesting stories about those days.
boatdryver	posted 02-15-2012 09:50 AM ET (US) Hey, leadsled, were you an f-105 pilot? JimL
leadsled	posted 02-15-2012 10:12 AM ET (US) No I was not an f-105 pilot, I was in the medical corp. I worked at all 3 plants up north. My favorite plant was CPD where we completed commercial hulls. I only have experience building the old school Whalers, pre 1990.
Binkster	posted 02-15-2012 12:48 PM ET (US) What is the definition of "hand layup" I don't think hand layup involves a chopper gun. Years ago a few of our fishing club members took a tour of the Dusky (Mako imitator) plant in Miami. On the tour our tour guide bragged that each hull was hand laid up. All I saw was a person shooting a chopper gun and a couple more with rollers rolling the glass smooth. I never saw any mat or woven roving being used. I mentioned this to the tour guide and she said, but there is a person running the machine. LOL. the 25'Dusky hull was built in two parts and joined at the keel. A friend of mine, a lawyer, represented a 25' Dusky owner, whose hull came apart at the keel in rough seas and sank. Duskys were the worse of the worse back in the day, the '80s.
egres	posted 02-15-2012 03:36 PM ET (US) Leadsled, Wonder if you were at the old plant in the mid seventies? Trying to get a fix on the times when my Classic 19 1975 was made. This one was sent to the Whaler M&P dealership in Vancouver BC in the fall.
Frank W	posted 02-15-2012 04:38 PM ET (US) Leadsled.... Could we chat on the phone about making Whalers pre 1990. I have a strong interest. My email is frank@wheatonmarine.com
leadsled	posted 02-16-2012 08:12 AM ET (US) Egres, Your 1975 banana 19' boat would have been built at the norwell plant which is a few miles from the Rockland plant which built the small 9' to 16' hulls. I have owned a 1976 Banana 19' Outrage. When the early 19' and 21' hulls were built they did not have V-6 outboards so the 19' hull rated at 170 HP would have been rated for twin 85 HP engines and the 21' would have been tested with twin 100's pushing it to it's published 52 mph. I repowered my 19' with a 115 Merc without power trim which was good for about 38mph. I later sold the engine and put a 175 Black Max Merc on it and it would peg the needle on a tournament speedometer at 80KM or 50 mph and that was with a standard alluminum prop. Later I bought a 115 Yamaha through Whaler and that was good for 40 mph. I always had a trolling engine on it. I circumnavigated Cape Cod with that boat. It was a great boat for fishing and diving. I had the complete canvas set up and have slept on the front deck many times on trips. I miss that boat.
egres	posted 02-16-2012 09:54 AM ET (US) Many Thanks for your recollections Leadsled, I have been trying to get info into what life and details were at the Norwell Plant in those days. The making of those hulls, The marine designer's team, The detailed process of putting them together. Seems like I can't get enough details about the time when it was happening. I am Much Obliged by your telling of those days. This Classic 19 below has managed to get my attention and charmed me into adopting her. I have named her "My Girl" She is truly forgiving and a bit snooty as all Classy Ladies will be. This is what she looked like upon picking her up from the Government warehouse. A few hours of work have been invested in her, making her shine again. I will be welcoming of more of your recollections of those working days. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/821/5404155main.jpg/ Thanks Again. Ritz.
leadsled	posted 02-16-2012 10:22 AM ET (US) Egres, nice looking Outrage, and no bottom paint! The older Whalers were not supposed to be put on a roller trailer. The keel is supposed to carry the weight of the boat on a keel roller trailer with bunks only there to keep the boat level. Check that those rollers on your trailer are not puckering your hull ( putting small indentations in the hull). You might get by with your trailer but keep an eye out for the dents. When I sold my boat the rivets under the rubrail holding the topskin and hull together were starting to fail and would have needed to be replaced because of salt water use.
egres	posted 02-16-2012 04:15 PM ET (US) It is true that there is always plenty of fun to be had enjoying your Whaler. Some of us will use and enjoy them trading them later for a newer model. But then again you and I must know that enjoying time making them shine again can be just as rewarding. I know that the trailer should ideally have bunks. The unit came for sale as is ad to modify the trailer has not been done yet. You can view a bit of the work done on her so far here.. http://www.whalercentral.com/userphotogallery_3.php?album_id=13 And since you used to worked at the plants Feel free to give me your comments on the details toward completion on this Classic. If inclined to do so that is.
FISHNFF	posted 02-16-2012 07:34 PM ET (US) When I ordered my 17 Alert in 1997, I was asked where I wanted the extra 150lbs of glass. I put it inside and out, from bowlocker to where I would stand. FISHNFF