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Powergroove803 posted 04-26-2012 11:56 AM ET (US)
What motors came standard to the Whalers? Or was this a dealer preference? What would have been on my 1977 Outrage 19?
Thanks!
Bensjoy posted 04-26-2012 12:10 PM ET (US)
I don't believe Whalers were sold with motors pre-installed in 1977. You could have bought a Whaler and buy whatever brand outboard the dealer sold or take it to another dealer who sold the outboard that you desired.
leadsled posted 04-26-2012 02:01 PM ET (US)
My 1976 Outrage 19' had a Mercury 115 tower of power for it's first engine. There is a 1974 ? Outrage 19 near me with it's original Johnson 115 still on it.
The 19' Whaler is rated for 170 hp which would of been twin 85 hp because they didn't have the big V-6 outboards yet. Same thing with the early 21 Outrage, rated for 200 hp it would of had either twin 100 tower of power Merc's or twin OMC 100's. I have never seen a 19 or 21 with twins in person.
Landlocked posted 04-26-2012 05:38 PM ET (US)
My montauk came with a Johnson 85 hp.
L H G posted 04-26-2012 06:02 PM ET (US)
For a Classic 1977 Outrage 19, basically the only engine options from the Dealerships at the time were OMC and Mercury.
For singles, both of these companies offered 115's, 140/150's, and V-6 175's/200's (which were over the rated HP). I'm not sure if OMC had a V-6 150 on the market for that year. I know Mercury did not until the 1978 model year.
For twins, the boats could be rigged with either 70's or 85's, which both companies offered. My own Outrage 19 came rigged with twin Johnson 70's, which I converted to a classic split cowl V-6 Merc 150, since the old twin 70's did not have enough power in my estimation. Except for graphics, this Merc V-6 looks identical to the 1976/77 Mercury 175.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v429/lgoltz/Outrage%2019/?action=view& current=Scan0017.jpg
I am now thinking that one of the new lightweight Mercury 4-stroke 150 EFI's would be a perfect engine for this hull.
contender posted 04-26-2012 06:37 PM ET (US)
I Believe bensjoy is correct, back then you could buy the hull and do it yourself or get any engine...
L H G posted 04-26-2012 09:03 PM ET (US)
Yes, pre-Brunswick/Mercury ownership, when you bought a Whaler you got the engine brand the dealer offered, or you could take the boat to an engine dealer of your choice for the other brand. That is what I had to do 3 times in order to get Mercurys. My experiences during the 1968-1995 period, both on East Cost and the Midwest, were that a large majority of Whaler dealers in these areas were OMC affiliated. In the later 80's, Yamaha also moved in on many of the OMC dealerhips.
Peter posted 04-27-2012 09:41 AM ET (US)
New Whalers sold in my area during the 1960s and 1970s came with Johnson outboards because that is what the local Whaler dealer carried. Never saw new Whalers with Mercury outboards on the transom.
So if that 1977 Outrage 19 was sold by our local Dealer at the time, it most likely would have had a Johnson 140 on the transom.
Ferdinando posted 04-29-2012 05:38 PM ET (US)
LHG,is the photo above a restored Whaler or is it original. I would trade my new Montauk 190 in a heartbeat
for it if it was 100% OEM. It's one beautiful machine!
Fred
L H G posted 04-29-2012 06:25 PM ET (US)
Thanks for saying that, Fred.
The boat is all original, no restoration work at all, with the addition of my varnish work on the teak and replacement of the instrument panels and new instrumentation. The boat was bought new by a client, and used for only a few short summers on Lake Michigan up near Twin Cities Marine in Kewaunee WI. At age 84, he finally decided to offer it to me 3 years ago, after my asking about it for the last 30 years! He had it stored indoors, unused for almost 30 years. The boat needed only a good soap and water washing, and a wax job. He estimated that it only had about 100 hours of freshwater use since new.
The Continental keel roller trailer is new, and I repowered it from the original twin Johnson 70's to the Merc 150. While stored all of those years, somebody cut a sample out of the red rubrail insert, so I had to source and replace the insert. I also raised the console and pilot chairs 6".
We enjoy the boat beyond my wildest expectations. The twin Pompanette pilot chairs with arms are far superior to an RPS. Another unexpected surprise.

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Author	Topic: In 1977, what motors....
Powergroove803	posted 04-26-2012 11:56 AM ET (US) What motors came standard to the Whalers? Or was this a dealer preference? What would have been on my 1977 Outrage 19? Thanks!
Bensjoy	posted 04-26-2012 12:10 PM ET (US) I don't believe Whalers were sold with motors pre-installed in 1977. You could have bought a Whaler and buy whatever brand outboard the dealer sold or take it to another dealer who sold the outboard that you desired.
leadsled	posted 04-26-2012 02:01 PM ET (US) My 1976 Outrage 19' had a Mercury 115 tower of power for it's first engine. There is a 1974 ? Outrage 19 near me with it's original Johnson 115 still on it. The 19' Whaler is rated for 170 hp which would of been twin 85 hp because they didn't have the big V-6 outboards yet. Same thing with the early 21 Outrage, rated for 200 hp it would of had either twin 100 tower of power Merc's or twin OMC 100's. I have never seen a 19 or 21 with twins in person.
Landlocked	posted 04-26-2012 05:38 PM ET (US) My montauk came with a Johnson 85 hp.
L H G	posted 04-26-2012 06:02 PM ET (US) For a Classic 1977 Outrage 19, basically the only engine options from the Dealerships at the time were OMC and Mercury. For singles, both of these companies offered 115's, 140/150's, and V-6 175's/200's (which were over the rated HP). I'm not sure if OMC had a V-6 150 on the market for that year. I know Mercury did not until the 1978 model year. For twins, the boats could be rigged with either 70's or 85's, which both companies offered. My own Outrage 19 came rigged with twin Johnson 70's, which I converted to a classic split cowl V-6 Merc 150, since the old twin 70's did not have enough power in my estimation. Except for graphics, this Merc V-6 looks identical to the 1976/77 Mercury 175. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v429/lgoltz/Outrage%2019/?action=view& current=Scan0017.jpg I am now thinking that one of the new lightweight Mercury 4-stroke 150 EFI's would be a perfect engine for this hull.
contender	posted 04-26-2012 06:37 PM ET (US) I Believe bensjoy is correct, back then you could buy the hull and do it yourself or get any engine...
L H G	posted 04-26-2012 09:03 PM ET (US) Yes, pre-Brunswick/Mercury ownership, when you bought a Whaler you got the engine brand the dealer offered, or you could take the boat to an engine dealer of your choice for the other brand. That is what I had to do 3 times in order to get Mercurys. My experiences during the 1968-1995 period, both on East Cost and the Midwest, were that a large majority of Whaler dealers in these areas were OMC affiliated. In the later 80's, Yamaha also moved in on many of the OMC dealerhips.
Peter	posted 04-27-2012 09:41 AM ET (US) New Whalers sold in my area during the 1960s and 1970s came with Johnson outboards because that is what the local Whaler dealer carried. Never saw new Whalers with Mercury outboards on the transom. So if that 1977 Outrage 19 was sold by our local Dealer at the time, it most likely would have had a Johnson 140 on the transom.
Ferdinando	posted 04-29-2012 05:38 PM ET (US) LHG,is the photo above a restored Whaler or is it original. I would trade my new Montauk 190 in a heartbeat for it if it was 100% OEM. It's one beautiful machine! Fred
L H G	posted 04-29-2012 06:25 PM ET (US) Thanks for saying that, Fred. The boat is all original, no restoration work at all, with the addition of my varnish work on the teak and replacement of the instrument panels and new instrumentation. The boat was bought new by a client, and used for only a few short summers on Lake Michigan up near Twin Cities Marine in Kewaunee WI. At age 84, he finally decided to offer it to me 3 years ago, after my asking about it for the last 30 years! He had it stored indoors, unused for almost 30 years. The boat needed only a good soap and water washing, and a wax job. He estimated that it only had about 100 hours of freshwater use since new. The Continental keel roller trailer is new, and I repowered it from the original twin Johnson 70's to the Merc 150. While stored all of those years, somebody cut a sample out of the red rubrail insert, so I had to source and replace the insert. I also raised the console and pilot chairs 6". We enjoy the boat beyond my wildest expectations. The twin Pompanette pilot chairs with arms are far superior to an RPS. Another unexpected surprise.