Outrage 25 Prices - Moderated Discussion Areas

  ContinuousWave
  Whaler
  Moderated Discussion Areas
  ContinuousWave: The Whaler GAM or General Area
  Outrage 25 Prices

search | FAQ | profile | register | author help

Author Topic:   Outrage 25 Prices

crow posted 06-01-2012 10:43 PM ET (US)
It's startling how far pricing has dropped on larger Whalers. The economy sure doesn't seem to be getting an better. There seems to be some Fantastic deals out there. If this boat is as advertised with no major surprises, here is one:
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1990/Boston-Whaler-Outrage-25-2400329/ MA/United-States
Purchase the boat for say $28,000, taxes $1,750, rewire and improvments $2000.... entire package under $32,000? Wow
Here is an interesting link to a discussion on Outrage 25 prices from just last summer.
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/020361.html
Tates posted 06-01-2012 10:53 PM ET (US)
Get it while you can
crabby posted 06-02-2012 12:02 AM ET (US)
How about these on LI,NY:
[url]http://longisland.craigslist.org/boa/3051554635.html[/url}
or this:
http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/boa/3050271233.html
Jkcam posted 06-02-2012 04:41 AM ET (US)
It is a 22 year old boat. To finance that rig, would probably be a very difficult and expensive proposition. A dealer can show a buyer how they can buy a new boat for "less money".
Assuming we are now down to a pool of buyers that has cash to spend on a 22 year old boat, you have to recognize that this group is 1. small (in comparison) 2. savy 3. very hard bargainer's.
I have been told by a non BW dealer that production of large boats at the BW plant is booming. So apparently there are buyers that are not afraid of the gas pump. But they don't want a boat that is almost as old as they are.
Fun ain't cheap.
Teak Oil posted 06-02-2012 10:26 AM ET (US)
The prices on larger boats is usually relatively lower due to the increased cost of owning a larger boat. Fuel, maintenance, and storage are double to triple the cost of a single engine boat.
For a while last year I was pricing Fountain high performance boats, and I could get a 75mph, single engine 29 footer for nearly the same price as a 42' Fountain with twin or triple big blocks, super chargers, etc. The cost of owning and storing such a boat is so high it hurts the resale significantly.
In the end I am glad I decided to go with a 22 Outrage
L H G posted 06-02-2012 02:13 PM ET (US)
The biggest problem with pricing on big old Whalers is the condition and poor fuel economy of older 2-stroke engines, particularly if they are OMC's. (sorry, but of the three 2-stroke brands, the old OMC's got the worst fuel economy - excepting the more recent 60 degree V's) Unless they are in really good condition, watch out, because repairs to them, or a twin repower with large 3-stars is going to cost a fortune and put you in the hole permanently. Early Optimax and Fichts are also a red flag.
Either a seller, like this one with modern 4-strokes, or a buyer who will eventually have to do it, is going to take the loss.
crow posted 06-02-2012 03:27 PM ET (US)
Larry,
That's exactly why I think this seems to be such a fantastic deal for a Buyer right now. The seller who invested in those four stroke Yamahas is taking the hit.
This buyer won't suffer from the poor fuel economy of older two strokes, is buying four strokes with only 50 hours on them, and doesn't have to worry about a re-power for a very long time.
Furthermore those engines are hanging off the back of what appears to be a well maintained, almost all OEM, 1990 Outrage 25 WD which we all know is a fantastic hull.
And the entire package, trailer included, is selling for under thirty thousand dollars.

jimh posted 06-03-2012 10:54 AM ET (US)
L H G says:

quote:
The biggest problem with pricing on big old Whalers is the condition and poor fuel economy of older 2-stroke engines, particularly if they are OMC's.
I find there is irony in Larry's remarks. The irony: most older and larger Boston Whaler boats will have OMC engines on the transom. In the epoch when these boats were being delivered as new boats, the OMC engines were the preferred choice of many buyers.
Tom W Clark posted 06-03-2012 12:07 PM ET (US)
I don't think that is fair of you Jim.
Mercury, as well as OMC motors, were used on the classic Whalers back in the day. It just that only the OMC motors are still running; the most of the Mercurys failed long ago!
russellbailey posted 06-04-2012 08:58 AM ET (US)
Brand teasing on motors aside, I think Outrage 25s tend to be a great value which is part of what led me to purchase one 2 years ago (a 1984 with twin 2006 Optimax 150s).
They don't seem to sell for much if any more than a similar Outrage 22, but are a lot more boat. They also seem to be an easily-powered hull (at least in non-WhalerDrive form) that leads to fairly good fuel economy.
jimh posted 06-04-2012 09:16 AM ET (US)
I have not made a scientific survey, but on first glance I would expect to find that many--and probably the majority--of used Boston Whaler OUTRAGE 25 boats from the c.1985 to c.1992 era that are now on the used boat market will be set up for twin engines. In that era the largest outboard engines were approximately 225-HP, and powering a big 25-foot boat with a single 225-HP might have been a marginal set up.
In today's era of 300-HP modern outboard engines, one could consider re-powering an OUTRAGE 25 with a single engine. As already noted, the hull seems to be easily driven and fuel efficient--perhaps more than the 22-foot hull and due to the extra beam--and a 250-HP to 300-HP modern engine should have no problem getting an OUTRAGE 25 on plane and running efficiently.
The ultimate re-power would be a pair of modern 150-HP engines with electronic throttle and shift controls, but that option will be considerably more expensive than a single engine refit.
menahaunt11 posted 06-07-2012 02:48 PM ET (US)
"The ultimate re-power would be a pair of modern 150-HP engines with electronic throttle and shift controls, but that option will be considerably more expensive than a single engine refit"
All the more reason why the 25 for sale in the first post is a great deal imo. Now reduced to under 30k, excellent opportunity for someone to get into a beautiful boat with almost brand new power. However I'm surprised it hasn't sold
Morocco posted 08-10-2012 01:04 AM ET (US)
That price is almost exactly the quote I got a few weeks ago to repower my 25-Revenge with twin Yamaha F150s, so maybe the reason that it hasn't sold yet is that the 'depreciation' hasn't been reflected in the asking price. Yet.
I'll post a separate post about my repowering choices, but the question I'd like to ask this owner is how does the 25 sit with 200 extra pound on the transom? I'm sure it runs well forward, but I'm concerned about how it runs backing...

Good to be back on the forum -- still the best single boat site I know.
M
lizard posted 08-10-2012 01:18 AM ET (US)
Though Yamaha is not my power of choice for an older Whaler, I like Yamaha motors in general. If it were my dream boat, it would likely have-E-tecs. That said, the reason the boat hasn't sold yet is that it is a cash sale boat for nearly $30K. While it may be appropriately priced, there are a select, few buyers, with that kind of cash laying around, looking for a 25-30 year old boat.

Hop to:

Contact Us | RETURN to ContinuousWave Top Page

Powered by: Ultimate Bulletin Board, Freeware Version 2000
Purchase our Licensed Version- which adds many more features!
© Infopop Corporation (formerly Madrona Park, Inc.), 1998 - 2000.

Author	Topic: Outrage 25 Prices
crow	posted 06-01-2012 10:43 PM ET (US) It's startling how far pricing has dropped on larger Whalers. The economy sure doesn't seem to be getting an better. There seems to be some Fantastic deals out there. If this boat is as advertised with no major surprises, here is one: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1990/Boston-Whaler-Outrage-25-2400329/ MA/United-States Purchase the boat for say $28,000, taxes $1,750, rewire and improvments $2000.... entire package under $32,000? Wow Here is an interesting link to a discussion on Outrage 25 prices from just last summer. http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/020361.html
Tates	posted 06-01-2012 10:53 PM ET (US) Get it while you can
crabby	posted 06-02-2012 12:02 AM ET (US) How about these on LI,NY: [url]http://longisland.craigslist.org/boa/3051554635.html[/url} or this: http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/boa/3050271233.html
Jkcam	posted 06-02-2012 04:41 AM ET (US) It is a 22 year old boat. To finance that rig, would probably be a very difficult and expensive proposition. A dealer can show a buyer how they can buy a new boat for "less money". Assuming we are now down to a pool of buyers that has cash to spend on a 22 year old boat, you have to recognize that this group is 1. small (in comparison) 2. savy 3. very hard bargainer's. I have been told by a non BW dealer that production of large boats at the BW plant is booming. So apparently there are buyers that are not afraid of the gas pump. But they don't want a boat that is almost as old as they are. Fun ain't cheap.
Teak Oil	posted 06-02-2012 10:26 AM ET (US) The prices on larger boats is usually relatively lower due to the increased cost of owning a larger boat. Fuel, maintenance, and storage are double to triple the cost of a single engine boat. For a while last year I was pricing Fountain high performance boats, and I could get a 75mph, single engine 29 footer for nearly the same price as a 42' Fountain with twin or triple big blocks, super chargers, etc. The cost of owning and storing such a boat is so high it hurts the resale significantly. In the end I am glad I decided to go with a 22 Outrage
L H G	posted 06-02-2012 02:13 PM ET (US) The biggest problem with pricing on big old Whalers is the condition and poor fuel economy of older 2-stroke engines, particularly if they are OMC's. (sorry, but of the three 2-stroke brands, the old OMC's got the worst fuel economy - excepting the more recent 60 degree V's) Unless they are in really good condition, watch out, because repairs to them, or a twin repower with large 3-stars is going to cost a fortune and put you in the hole permanently. Early Optimax and Fichts are also a red flag. Either a seller, like this one with modern 4-strokes, or a buyer who will eventually have to do it, is going to take the loss.
crow	posted 06-02-2012 03:27 PM ET (US) Larry, That's exactly why I think this seems to be such a fantastic deal for a Buyer right now. The seller who invested in those four stroke Yamahas is taking the hit. This buyer won't suffer from the poor fuel economy of older two strokes, is buying four strokes with only 50 hours on them, and doesn't have to worry about a re-power for a very long time. Furthermore those engines are hanging off the back of what appears to be a well maintained, almost all OEM, 1990 Outrage 25 WD which we all know is a fantastic hull. And the entire package, trailer included, is selling for under thirty thousand dollars.
jimh	posted 06-03-2012 10:54 AM ET (US) L H G says: quote: The biggest problem with pricing on big old Whalers is the condition and poor fuel economy of older 2-stroke engines, particularly if they are OMC's. I find there is irony in Larry's remarks. The irony: most older and larger Boston Whaler boats will have OMC engines on the transom. In the epoch when these boats were being delivered as new boats, the OMC engines were the preferred choice of many buyers.
Tom W Clark	posted 06-03-2012 12:07 PM ET (US) I don't think that is fair of you Jim. Mercury, as well as OMC motors, were used on the classic Whalers back in the day. It just that only the OMC motors are still running; the most of the Mercurys failed long ago!
russellbailey	posted 06-04-2012 08:58 AM ET (US) Brand teasing on motors aside, I think Outrage 25s tend to be a great value which is part of what led me to purchase one 2 years ago (a 1984 with twin 2006 Optimax 150s). They don't seem to sell for much if any more than a similar Outrage 22, but are a lot more boat. They also seem to be an easily-powered hull (at least in non-WhalerDrive form) that leads to fairly good fuel economy.
jimh	posted 06-04-2012 09:16 AM ET (US) I have not made a scientific survey, but on first glance I would expect to find that many--and probably the majority--of used Boston Whaler OUTRAGE 25 boats from the c.1985 to c.1992 era that are now on the used boat market will be set up for twin engines. In that era the largest outboard engines were approximately 225-HP, and powering a big 25-foot boat with a single 225-HP might have been a marginal set up. In today's era of 300-HP modern outboard engines, one could consider re-powering an OUTRAGE 25 with a single engine. As already noted, the hull seems to be easily driven and fuel efficient--perhaps more than the 22-foot hull and due to the extra beam--and a 250-HP to 300-HP modern engine should have no problem getting an OUTRAGE 25 on plane and running efficiently. The ultimate re-power would be a pair of modern 150-HP engines with electronic throttle and shift controls, but that option will be considerably more expensive than a single engine refit.
menahaunt11	posted 06-07-2012 02:48 PM ET (US) "The ultimate re-power would be a pair of modern 150-HP engines with electronic throttle and shift controls, but that option will be considerably more expensive than a single engine refit" All the more reason why the 25 for sale in the first post is a great deal imo. Now reduced to under 30k, excellent opportunity for someone to get into a beautiful boat with almost brand new power. However I'm surprised it hasn't sold
Morocco	posted 08-10-2012 01:04 AM ET (US) That price is almost exactly the quote I got a few weeks ago to repower my 25-Revenge with twin Yamaha F150s, so maybe the reason that it hasn't sold yet is that the 'depreciation' hasn't been reflected in the asking price. Yet. I'll post a separate post about my repowering choices, but the question I'd like to ask this owner is how does the 25 sit with 200 extra pound on the transom? I'm sure it runs well forward, but I'm concerned about how it runs backing... Good to be back on the forum -- still the best single boat site I know. M
lizard	posted 08-10-2012 01:18 AM ET (US) Though Yamaha is not my power of choice for an older Whaler, I like Yamaha motors in general. If it were my dream boat, it would likely have-E-tecs. That said, the reason the boat hasn't sold yet is that it is a cash sale boat for nearly $30K. While it may be appropriately priced, there are a select, few buyers, with that kind of cash laying around, looking for a 25-30 year old boat.