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Plotman posted 06-17-2012 11:22 PM ET (US)
I just fired up the 1985 OMC 70 on my classic 15 for the first time in about 9 months today. Just a quick check to make sure that it was ready for some fun next weekend when my son brings a bunch of friends to the cabin. (It has been a late start for us for a number of reasons).
Anyway, I hooked up the fuel hose from the 1/2 tank of E-10 gas left over from last summer that was stored in a shed about 75 feet from the shoreline of Lake Superior (the boat lives about 10 feet from the high water mark), primed it, and turned the key. Cranked for maybe 2 seconds before it caught and ran like a top. All I did to "winterize" last fall was to run it dry and squirt a little oil in the cylinders after it cooled down. I admit I forgot to pull the battery, and it just lived in the boat for the winter but had plenty of charge to start her up.
I wonder if it would have started in one second flat if I had used non-ethanol gas?
How can you beat an engine that just works?
Thanks Paul (PRJ) - your little boat is living the dream and continuing to make some kids really happy. I honestly can't imagine spending a dime to replace this engine - no matter how fancy.
Binkster posted 06-18-2012 12:25 AM ET (US)
Ditto for my antique '61 75hp Evinrude V-4. It sat for 5 months and started right up. I use e-10 gas also. I run the carb dry as I have done on every outboard I've ever owned. Unlike you though I don't use old gas except in my lawn tractor which doesn't seem to mind it. I also run the same gas in my '08 Merc 4 stroke and my vehicles. No problems. I think the folks with little boating experience are the ones that are afraid of it.
rich
wannabe posted 06-18-2012 07:44 AM ET (US)
I too have run E10 in my little 9.9 hp inflatable engine and just ran the fuel out with stabil in the tank. The engine runs great. Now that I have my Outrage with a 63 gallon fuel capacity I may manage my fuel purchases a little differently. New to Boston Whalers but not new to boating.
Drew
tom976 posted 06-18-2012 10:34 AM ET (US)
I would say people who have A LOT of boating experience have issues with it. I see what the stuff does on my ox66. Inside the high pressure tank the inside becomes coated with a white chalk residue from the stuff and clogs up the main screen under the fuel injector pump in there. Not entirely hard job to do but not exactly for the novice either.
How about last summer, I keep my boat at the dock. While underway my engine died. Back and forth trying to figure out the problem... Turns out there was some water in the fuel tank. E10 and all its glory phase seperated. So I had a little bit of water, lots of non-combustable ethanol and some nice gas. I had to pump out 70 gallons of fuel. The first 20 or so was a complete wash. No good at all. After I got all the ethanol out and a few drops of water I got good gas. I pumped it dry and used the recycled gas in my cars. All I can say is WHAT A PAIN! It only takes about a teaspoon of water to spoil a gallon of e10 gas. Great with boats with aluminum gas tanks and wet environments. Hello condensation.
If I didnt pump out the tank myself, it would have been 400 bucks just to have someone come out and clean out the tank for me. More if I had the marina do all the work.
Tell those guys out there with the fiberglass fuel tanks that e10 is ok.
As for E10, keep it for the cars and give me regular gas for the boat.
davej14 posted 06-18-2012 12:39 PM ET (US)
I winterized my boat at the end of the 2010 season and put her in storage with 3/4 tank (about 18 gallons) of 10% ethanol fuel blend. The 2011 season had a very slow start in CNY and by the time things settled down I was looking at a September date for knee replacement surgery with lots of last minute details to take care of. As a result I left the boat in storage for the 2011 season and just cranked it up in June 2012. After 21 months in storage I am happy to report that she fired right up and ran perfectly.
I have a 2000 Merc 75 ELPTO carburated 2-smoke. Man, I love those old engines! Before storage I always run the carbs dry and fog them as well as the cylinders. I also treat my fuel religiously with Mercury Quick Clean and Star-tron Enzyme Fuel Treatment. This year because of the extended storage I added an extra dose of the Star-tron Fuel Treatment.
I was prepared to pump out the old gas but very relieved when it was not necessary. Recently the Oneida Indian Nation has started to sell non-ethanol fuel at select outlets in my area. I will definitely be switching to that, so no future worries about fuel separation for me. At least until the EPA police figure out a way to intrude on the sovereign Oneidas.
wannabe posted 06-18-2012 01:49 PM ET (US)
Thanks tom976 for your response. I was feeling very alone. (lol). I believe I am done with this topic. Politics and religion would be easier.(lol)
Drew

prj posted 06-19-2012 01:00 PM ET (US)
Fancy that, David. Not one day earlier, on Saturday 16th, I was 100' offshore showing my now 5 year old his old boat that I sold to a fellow on Madeline Island!
Didn't look like you were in at the time (late morning) and the waves in Amnicon Bay were too large beach the Outrage and come ashore. It is indeed a great and venerable engine for that 15 footer.
Patrick
weekendwarrior posted 06-19-2012 01:35 PM ET (US)
I've got an old 1969 Johnson Seahorse 6HP that I need to dust off and start up. It ran fine when stored many years ago, I am sure it needs a new water pump, but I am itching to know if it still works! Anyone want to place bets on how many screws will need to be drilled out? ;)
swist posted 06-19-2012 03:00 PM ET (US)
Same story with the Tohatsu 5 on my tender.
Gee, you don't think it could have anything to do with the fact that these engines have about 7 moving parts?
Liteamorn posted 06-20-2012 08:15 AM ET (US)
My girlfriends Waverunner always had E-10 in it. When I arrived on the scene I immediately began adding Startron and Ring free on every gas fill.
The boat sat for a year unused. I siphoned off as much gas as I could and refueled (again with Starttron and Ring free). At the beginning of the next season the boat started and ran like a top.
I am a firm believer of those additives and use them religiously in my Whaler.

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Author	Topic: Old reliable
Plotman	posted 06-17-2012 11:22 PM ET (US) I just fired up the 1985 OMC 70 on my classic 15 for the first time in about 9 months today. Just a quick check to make sure that it was ready for some fun next weekend when my son brings a bunch of friends to the cabin. (It has been a late start for us for a number of reasons). Anyway, I hooked up the fuel hose from the 1/2 tank of E-10 gas left over from last summer that was stored in a shed about 75 feet from the shoreline of Lake Superior (the boat lives about 10 feet from the high water mark), primed it, and turned the key. Cranked for maybe 2 seconds before it caught and ran like a top. All I did to "winterize" last fall was to run it dry and squirt a little oil in the cylinders after it cooled down. I admit I forgot to pull the battery, and it just lived in the boat for the winter but had plenty of charge to start her up. I wonder if it would have started in one second flat if I had used non-ethanol gas? How can you beat an engine that just works? Thanks Paul (PRJ) - your little boat is living the dream and continuing to make some kids really happy. I honestly can't imagine spending a dime to replace this engine - no matter how fancy.
Binkster	posted 06-18-2012 12:25 AM ET (US) Ditto for my antique '61 75hp Evinrude V-4. It sat for 5 months and started right up. I use e-10 gas also. I run the carb dry as I have done on every outboard I've ever owned. Unlike you though I don't use old gas except in my lawn tractor which doesn't seem to mind it. I also run the same gas in my '08 Merc 4 stroke and my vehicles. No problems. I think the folks with little boating experience are the ones that are afraid of it. rich
wannabe	posted 06-18-2012 07:44 AM ET (US) I too have run E10 in my little 9.9 hp inflatable engine and just ran the fuel out with stabil in the tank. The engine runs great. Now that I have my Outrage with a 63 gallon fuel capacity I may manage my fuel purchases a little differently. New to Boston Whalers but not new to boating. Drew
tom976	posted 06-18-2012 10:34 AM ET (US) I would say people who have A LOT of boating experience have issues with it. I see what the stuff does on my ox66. Inside the high pressure tank the inside becomes coated with a white chalk residue from the stuff and clogs up the main screen under the fuel injector pump in there. Not entirely hard job to do but not exactly for the novice either. How about last summer, I keep my boat at the dock. While underway my engine died. Back and forth trying to figure out the problem... Turns out there was some water in the fuel tank. E10 and all its glory phase seperated. So I had a little bit of water, lots of non-combustable ethanol and some nice gas. I had to pump out 70 gallons of fuel. The first 20 or so was a complete wash. No good at all. After I got all the ethanol out and a few drops of water I got good gas. I pumped it dry and used the recycled gas in my cars. All I can say is WHAT A PAIN! It only takes about a teaspoon of water to spoil a gallon of e10 gas. Great with boats with aluminum gas tanks and wet environments. Hello condensation. If I didnt pump out the tank myself, it would have been 400 bucks just to have someone come out and clean out the tank for me. More if I had the marina do all the work. Tell those guys out there with the fiberglass fuel tanks that e10 is ok. As for E10, keep it for the cars and give me regular gas for the boat.
davej14	posted 06-18-2012 12:39 PM ET (US) I winterized my boat at the end of the 2010 season and put her in storage with 3/4 tank (about 18 gallons) of 10% ethanol fuel blend. The 2011 season had a very slow start in CNY and by the time things settled down I was looking at a September date for knee replacement surgery with lots of last minute details to take care of. As a result I left the boat in storage for the 2011 season and just cranked it up in June 2012. After 21 months in storage I am happy to report that she fired right up and ran perfectly. I have a 2000 Merc 75 ELPTO carburated 2-smoke. Man, I love those old engines! Before storage I always run the carbs dry and fog them as well as the cylinders. I also treat my fuel religiously with Mercury Quick Clean and Star-tron Enzyme Fuel Treatment. This year because of the extended storage I added an extra dose of the Star-tron Fuel Treatment. I was prepared to pump out the old gas but very relieved when it was not necessary. Recently the Oneida Indian Nation has started to sell non-ethanol fuel at select outlets in my area. I will definitely be switching to that, so no future worries about fuel separation for me. At least until the EPA police figure out a way to intrude on the sovereign Oneidas.
wannabe	posted 06-18-2012 01:49 PM ET (US) Thanks tom976 for your response. I was feeling very alone. (lol). I believe I am done with this topic. Politics and religion would be easier.(lol) Drew
prj	posted 06-19-2012 01:00 PM ET (US) Fancy that, David. Not one day earlier, on Saturday 16th, I was 100' offshore showing my now 5 year old his old boat that I sold to a fellow on Madeline Island! Didn't look like you were in at the time (late morning) and the waves in Amnicon Bay were too large beach the Outrage and come ashore. It is indeed a great and venerable engine for that 15 footer. Patrick
weekendwarrior	posted 06-19-2012 01:35 PM ET (US) I've got an old 1969 Johnson Seahorse 6HP that I need to dust off and start up. It ran fine when stored many years ago, I am sure it needs a new water pump, but I am itching to know if it still works! Anyone want to place bets on how many screws will need to be drilled out? ;)
swist	posted 06-19-2012 03:00 PM ET (US) Same story with the Tohatsu 5 on my tender. Gee, you don't think it could have anything to do with the fact that these engines have about 7 moving parts?
Liteamorn	posted 06-20-2012 08:15 AM ET (US) My girlfriends Waverunner always had E-10 in it. When I arrived on the scene I immediately began adding Startron and Ring free on every gas fill. The boat sat for a year unused. I siphoned off as much gas as I could and refueled (again with Starttron and Ring free). At the beginning of the next season the boat started and ran like a top. I am a firm believer of those additives and use them religiously in my Whaler.