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littleblue posted 07-17-2012 08:29 PM ET (US)
Seeking some opinions on what a new trailer should cost for a classic Outrage 22 with galvanized [steel construction], twin axls, disc brakes, torsion bar suspension, LED lights, and oil bath hubs. Any opinions appreciated.
Jeff posted 07-17-2012 08:41 PM ET (US)
Jasper, being that you are in California I think that is going to make a huge difference in price. Also is there a reason you want to go galvanized and not Aluminum?
Here in the mid-west I could have a fully custom built I-Beam trailer for a 22 Outrage with LED lights, Torsion Bar axles, 4 disc brakes, etc, etc for $3000 - $3750.
littleblue posted 07-17-2012 09:51 PM ET (US)
Damn, that's cheap. Nobody really makes aluminum trailers out here. I was quoted $5200 being dealer cost for what I described.
lizard posted 07-17-2012 11:42 PM ET (US)
Jasper- I looked for a trailer for my 18 Outrage for more than a year. Based on a LOT of quotes, on a single axle, galvanized trailer, 14-15" wheels, NO BRAKES, NO torsion bar, NO LED lights, and I don't know what oil bath hubs are, but my bids were all around $3500. I looked for more than a year, between Sacramento and San Diego, for a decent, used galvanized trailer and discovered that is an oxymoron.
I did get a bid from the guy who did Jeff's father's trailer. He was a nice guy. Already had the set-up for my boat. He beat local bids, by several hundred, for aluminum, instead of galvanized, which my bids were for here. I considered aluminum, (though over time, it pits in salt water and that is where all of your boating is) because of the weight factor. My Tacoma is rated for 3500 lbs, but in fact, struggles to get to freeway speed with 2400 lbs. behind it. I know you are towing w/ a Tacoma, is your's 2005 or later?
Once we did the math of me driving to pick it up, lodging roundtrip and fuel, it no longer made sense. We also looked at bids for delivery and again, it lost its cost benefit. I will say he was down to earth, knew his business and was a pleasure to deal with, but the math didn't work.
There will be people here who think your bid is high. They are:
1) Not in California
2) Not in a market where decent used trailers are non-existent. Andy Gere might chime in on this.
Your bid is expensive, but I don't think you will get what this bid offers, for a lower price, here. You could consider selling me your 22 to solve your trailer problem ; )
Good luck.
littleblue posted 07-18-2012 02:21 AM ET (US)
Good info Liz...yeah, it wouldn't make sense to get a trailer out of state unless I could get it here very very cheap.
I guess it's coming down to whether or not I want to part with my money. On one hand, my boat is a few hundred yards away from the ramp and I don't really tow THAT often to other ports. On the other hand, I DO like to tow elsewhere I just don't have much time right now and it's a piece of equipment that will have to be replaced sooner or later.
The Tacoma you're referencing is not mine, it's a friends. It's a 2007, we used it to tow the 22' twice, both times on freeway with hills and on two lane with hills. Loaded with 4 guys, all fishing gear, and ice. I still can't believe how well it tows.
In fact the cash pile that would buy this trailer was intended for a down payment on a Tacoma. So I can either get the car and not be able to tow the boat anywhere or get the trailer and still not be able to tow the boat anywhere. HA!
Well, most of my fishing buddies have trucks so.....
andygere posted 07-18-2012 11:09 AM ET (US)
Trailer prices in CA are outrageous. Every time my trailer needs work, I think about biting the bullet and buying a new one. Then I check out trailer prices and end up reinvesting in my old 1989 EZ loader. Since I don't currently tow all that much (the boat is in a wet slip nearby) I'm not terribly motivated to drop $5k on a new Pacific. Don't forget to add 8.25% sales tax on top of the already inflated prices out here. I wish there was better news, but it may be worth checking out what it would cost to rehab your existing trailer, assuming it has no major structural or corrosion problems.
Jeff posted 07-18-2012 11:15 AM ET (US)
Sounds like someone needs to take a trip to the Texas Gulf coast or Florida and pick up a bunch of trailers, stack them and haul them back to California. Sounds like you could make a decent profit and cover the cost of one's own trailer.
Keeper posted 07-18-2012 11:33 AM ET (US)
Sorry, but I'm glad I'm not the only one here in California who can't believe trailer prices. I even had one company Owner who will remain nameless actually tell me that he didn't even 'WANT' to build me a trailer.
I'm going to give mine a facelift for the time being, but when the day comes for me to buy a new one , it will be difficult to spend my money here in So Cal.
Just an FYI,
I was quoted close to $4500 for an aluminum trailer for my 1988 15 Whaler . . . that's how much of a joke it is out here.
lizard posted 07-18-2012 12:09 PM ET (US)
Well I will name names- MIke @ Pacific Trailers was completely disinterested in selling me a trailer. It was bizarre, I never complained about his quote (other than I insisted on a quote for a single axle and he insisted an 18 Outrage has to be on a tandem axle "per Whaler specs"). He somewhat reluctantly quoted me for the single axle. On my initial attempt to contact them, it took numerous calls before I even got a return call. He was completely unfamiliar with trailers that they had posted online as in-stock used trailers, even though he was the guy responsible for used trailers.
After aggressively (two times daily) searching the internet, probably within a 400+ mile radius, I found a beauty for $1400. I didn't even consider offering the seller less, he knew what he had.
My boat is currently slipped but I am thinking of pulling it out. I wanted a road worthy trailer (say, for the Nor Cal Rendevous) and not something I could limp around town with.
littleblue posted 07-19-2012 05:30 PM ET (US)
Well, I'm $5100 + tax poorer. Hope she appreciates it. Now, who wants to trailer trailer to Alaska? :)
lizard posted 07-20-2012 01:39 AM ET (US)
Jasper-
1) Congrats on your trailer. I am sure, like me, you will be happy that you got the right rig.
2) I think there maybe some error in your last post. What are you asking about Alaska?
littleblue posted 07-20-2012 03:08 AM ET (US)
I was just joking. I want to tow my boat somewhere now that it's got a battle wagon of a trailer.
Just put it on, it sits a little too high but otherwise everything looks great. And the 4 disk brakes...I think my car stops better with the boat hooked up.
andygere posted 07-20-2012 07:12 PM ET (US)
Pictures! What did you get, and where did you get it?
littleblue posted 07-20-2012 09:19 PM ET (US)
It's a galvanized Pacific. A bit strange, they happened to have a built trailer specifically for a 22 Outrage sitting on their floor. Apparently a customer ordered it a few months ago, left a $500 deposit and never picked it up.
The customer had the trailer a bit over built. It has 6 inch channels instead of 5 and it also has brakes on both axles.
It's GVWR is 7,000lbs. I wanted a pair of the brakes removed before purchase but apparently CA law says they are mandatory on all axles if the trailer is rated to 7,000+ lbs.
I tested them yesterday and I think the trailer stops the car, not the other way around. :)
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y277/Triton_38/1993%20Outrage%2022/ ebd0e6f5.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y277/Triton_38/1993%20Outrage%2022/ 61f0bbf1.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y277/Triton_38/1993%20Outrage%2022/ 1dc9f969.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y277/Triton_38/1993%20Outrage%2022/ a9b42a01.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y277/Triton_38/1993%20Outrage%2022/ 3bfb64be.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y277/Triton_38/1993%20Outrage%2022/ 26b2d20b.jpg
Just put the boat on it last night so those are the best pictures I have as of now.
In my opinion the boat is sitting a few inches too high. Pacific is saying it looks fine but they seem to be willing to work with me for adjustments.
They said they could do something to the suspension to lower the entire frame an inch or two, they would also need to add taller fenders to compensate for the drop.
I would like shorter bunk mounts, but that doesn't sound like it's easy to do on their end. Apparently the bow is as low as it will go and adjusting the rear will result in a nose high attitude on the trailer.
I still think the rear needs to be lowered, if not by shorter mounts than by moving the bunks outward.
It was high tide which cause a shallow ramp condition last night, with the brake actuator almost submerged I was barely able to winch the boat on. Launching would likely not have been possible.
I should not have to worry about trailering my boat anywhere for a very long time.
littleblue posted 07-20-2012 09:21 PM ET (US)
Oh, this was purchased from Pacific Trailers in Newark, CA.
DeeVee posted 07-20-2012 11:03 PM ET (US)
Jasper,
Keel rollers would make the trailer a lot more user friendly.
Doug Vazquez
andygere posted 07-20-2012 11:37 PM ET (US)
Jasper, that's a nice looking trailer. You will be glad to have brakes on both axels, I think it's false economy to only brake one axle. When they are working well, you will indeed feel the trailer brake the truck a bit but that's a good thing. I have had to make hard stops on highway 17, and the trailer tows straight and stops quickly with 4x discs.
Hard to tell about the boat height from pictures, but for the $$ paid, work with the vendor and get it set up the way you want it. I now have trailer envy...
lizard posted 07-21-2012 01:09 AM ET (US)
Jasper- I think that the boat is sitting high, as well and I would want it lowered. Otherwise it is a nice looking trailer. Congrats, I think it is money well spent if you are hanging on to the boat.
Andy- You tow on the 17? Huevos grande.
irishcreamer posted 07-21-2012 06:04 PM ET (US)
Now that I've seen the setup in person, I also think the boat sits a little high. I think 4-5" lower would be about perfect. Also the winch post needs to slide back a few inches.
Jasper - Hope they can make the trailer fit the way you like.
I am experiencing massive trailer envy...anyone want to buy my trailer so I can get a new Pacific??

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Author	Topic: Trailer for Outrage 22
littleblue	posted 07-17-2012 08:29 PM ET (US) Seeking some opinions on what a new trailer should cost for a classic Outrage 22 with galvanized [steel construction], twin axls, disc brakes, torsion bar suspension, LED lights, and oil bath hubs. Any opinions appreciated.
Jeff	posted 07-17-2012 08:41 PM ET (US) Jasper, being that you are in California I think that is going to make a huge difference in price. Also is there a reason you want to go galvanized and not Aluminum? Here in the mid-west I could have a fully custom built I-Beam trailer for a 22 Outrage with LED lights, Torsion Bar axles, 4 disc brakes, etc, etc for $3000 - $3750.
littleblue	posted 07-17-2012 09:51 PM ET (US) Damn, that's cheap. Nobody really makes aluminum trailers out here. I was quoted $5200 being dealer cost for what I described.
lizard	posted 07-17-2012 11:42 PM ET (US) Jasper- I looked for a trailer for my 18 Outrage for more than a year. Based on a LOT of quotes, on a single axle, galvanized trailer, 14-15" wheels, NO BRAKES, NO torsion bar, NO LED lights, and I don't know what oil bath hubs are, but my bids were all around $3500. I looked for more than a year, between Sacramento and San Diego, for a decent, used galvanized trailer and discovered that is an oxymoron. I did get a bid from the guy who did Jeff's father's trailer. He was a nice guy. Already had the set-up for my boat. He beat local bids, by several hundred, for aluminum, instead of galvanized, which my bids were for here. I considered aluminum, (though over time, it pits in salt water and that is where all of your boating is) because of the weight factor. My Tacoma is rated for 3500 lbs, but in fact, struggles to get to freeway speed with 2400 lbs. behind it. I know you are towing w/ a Tacoma, is your's 2005 or later? Once we did the math of me driving to pick it up, lodging roundtrip and fuel, it no longer made sense. We also looked at bids for delivery and again, it lost its cost benefit. I will say he was down to earth, knew his business and was a pleasure to deal with, but the math didn't work. There will be people here who think your bid is high. They are: 1) Not in California 2) Not in a market where decent used trailers are non-existent. Andy Gere might chime in on this. Your bid is expensive, but I don't think you will get what this bid offers, for a lower price, here. You could consider selling me your 22 to solve your trailer problem ; ) Good luck.
littleblue	posted 07-18-2012 02:21 AM ET (US) Good info Liz...yeah, it wouldn't make sense to get a trailer out of state unless I could get it here very very cheap. I guess it's coming down to whether or not I want to part with my money. On one hand, my boat is a few hundred yards away from the ramp and I don't really tow THAT often to other ports. On the other hand, I DO like to tow elsewhere I just don't have much time right now and it's a piece of equipment that will have to be replaced sooner or later. The Tacoma you're referencing is not mine, it's a friends. It's a 2007, we used it to tow the 22' twice, both times on freeway with hills and on two lane with hills. Loaded with 4 guys, all fishing gear, and ice. I still can't believe how well it tows. In fact the cash pile that would buy this trailer was intended for a down payment on a Tacoma. So I can either get the car and not be able to tow the boat anywhere or get the trailer and still not be able to tow the boat anywhere. HA! Well, most of my fishing buddies have trucks so.....
andygere	posted 07-18-2012 11:09 AM ET (US) Trailer prices in CA are outrageous. Every time my trailer needs work, I think about biting the bullet and buying a new one. Then I check out trailer prices and end up reinvesting in my old 1989 EZ loader. Since I don't currently tow all that much (the boat is in a wet slip nearby) I'm not terribly motivated to drop $5k on a new Pacific. Don't forget to add 8.25% sales tax on top of the already inflated prices out here. I wish there was better news, but it may be worth checking out what it would cost to rehab your existing trailer, assuming it has no major structural or corrosion problems.
Jeff	posted 07-18-2012 11:15 AM ET (US) Sounds like someone needs to take a trip to the Texas Gulf coast or Florida and pick up a bunch of trailers, stack them and haul them back to California. Sounds like you could make a decent profit and cover the cost of one's own trailer.
Keeper	posted 07-18-2012 11:33 AM ET (US) Sorry, but I'm glad I'm not the only one here in California who can't believe trailer prices. I even had one company Owner who will remain nameless actually tell me that he didn't even 'WANT' to build me a trailer. I'm going to give mine a facelift for the time being, but when the day comes for me to buy a new one , it will be difficult to spend my money here in So Cal. Just an FYI, I was quoted close to $4500 for an aluminum trailer for my 1988 15 Whaler . . . that's how much of a joke it is out here.
lizard	posted 07-18-2012 12:09 PM ET (US) Well I will name names- MIke @ Pacific Trailers was completely disinterested in selling me a trailer. It was bizarre, I never complained about his quote (other than I insisted on a quote for a single axle and he insisted an 18 Outrage has to be on a tandem axle "per Whaler specs"). He somewhat reluctantly quoted me for the single axle. On my initial attempt to contact them, it took numerous calls before I even got a return call. He was completely unfamiliar with trailers that they had posted online as in-stock used trailers, even though he was the guy responsible for used trailers. After aggressively (two times daily) searching the internet, probably within a 400+ mile radius, I found a beauty for $1400. I didn't even consider offering the seller less, he knew what he had. My boat is currently slipped but I am thinking of pulling it out. I wanted a road worthy trailer (say, for the Nor Cal Rendevous) and not something I could limp around town with.
littleblue	posted 07-19-2012 05:30 PM ET (US) Well, I'm $5100 + tax poorer. Hope she appreciates it. Now, who wants to trailer trailer to Alaska? :)
lizard	posted 07-20-2012 01:39 AM ET (US) Jasper- 1) Congrats on your trailer. I am sure, like me, you will be happy that you got the right rig. 2) I think there maybe some error in your last post. What are you asking about Alaska?
littleblue	posted 07-20-2012 03:08 AM ET (US) I was just joking. I want to tow my boat somewhere now that it's got a battle wagon of a trailer. Just put it on, it sits a little too high but otherwise everything looks great. And the 4 disk brakes...I think my car stops better with the boat hooked up.
andygere	posted 07-20-2012 07:12 PM ET (US) Pictures! What did you get, and where did you get it?
littleblue	posted 07-20-2012 09:19 PM ET (US) It's a galvanized Pacific. A bit strange, they happened to have a built trailer specifically for a 22 Outrage sitting on their floor. Apparently a customer ordered it a few months ago, left a $500 deposit and never picked it up. The customer had the trailer a bit over built. It has 6 inch channels instead of 5 and it also has brakes on both axles. It's GVWR is 7,000lbs. I wanted a pair of the brakes removed before purchase but apparently CA law says they are mandatory on all axles if the trailer is rated to 7,000+ lbs. I tested them yesterday and I think the trailer stops the car, not the other way around. :) http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y277/Triton_38/1993%20Outrage%2022/ ebd0e6f5.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y277/Triton_38/1993%20Outrage%2022/ 61f0bbf1.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y277/Triton_38/1993%20Outrage%2022/ 1dc9f969.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y277/Triton_38/1993%20Outrage%2022/ a9b42a01.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y277/Triton_38/1993%20Outrage%2022/ 3bfb64be.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y277/Triton_38/1993%20Outrage%2022/ 26b2d20b.jpg Just put the boat on it last night so those are the best pictures I have as of now. In my opinion the boat is sitting a few inches too high. Pacific is saying it looks fine but they seem to be willing to work with me for adjustments. They said they could do something to the suspension to lower the entire frame an inch or two, they would also need to add taller fenders to compensate for the drop. I would like shorter bunk mounts, but that doesn't sound like it's easy to do on their end. Apparently the bow is as low as it will go and adjusting the rear will result in a nose high attitude on the trailer. I still think the rear needs to be lowered, if not by shorter mounts than by moving the bunks outward. It was high tide which cause a shallow ramp condition last night, with the brake actuator almost submerged I was barely able to winch the boat on. Launching would likely not have been possible. I should not have to worry about trailering my boat anywhere for a very long time.
littleblue	posted 07-20-2012 09:21 PM ET (US) Oh, this was purchased from Pacific Trailers in Newark, CA.
DeeVee	posted 07-20-2012 11:03 PM ET (US) Jasper, Keel rollers would make the trailer a lot more user friendly. Doug Vazquez
andygere	posted 07-20-2012 11:37 PM ET (US) Jasper, that's a nice looking trailer. You will be glad to have brakes on both axels, I think it's false economy to only brake one axle. When they are working well, you will indeed feel the trailer brake the truck a bit but that's a good thing. I have had to make hard stops on highway 17, and the trailer tows straight and stops quickly with 4x discs. Hard to tell about the boat height from pictures, but for the $$ paid, work with the vendor and get it set up the way you want it. I now have trailer envy...
lizard	posted 07-21-2012 01:09 AM ET (US) Jasper- I think that the boat is sitting high, as well and I would want it lowered. Otherwise it is a nice looking trailer. Congrats, I think it is money well spent if you are hanging on to the boat. Andy- You tow on the 17? Huevos grande.
irishcreamer	posted 07-21-2012 06:04 PM ET (US) Now that I've seen the setup in person, I also think the boat sits a little high. I think 4-5" lower would be about perfect. Also the winch post needs to slide back a few inches. Jasper - Hope they can make the trailer fit the way you like. I am experiencing massive trailer envy...anyone want to buy my trailer so I can get a new Pacific??