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slojoe posted 07-31-2012 05:42 PM ET (US)
Will an old 1970s Revenge 19 do ok with a 70-horse? The archives show it is rated for a minimum 65 horsepower.
I would like to be able to cruise at 15 knots, with maybe a 22 knot max speed.
Does anyone have any experience running a Revenge or Outrage 19 with an outboard under 100hsp?
thanks-
Tom W Clark posted 07-31-2012 10:12 PM ET (US)
70 HP what? If it's a two stroke, 70 HP will meet your 25 MPH top speed requirement. An OMC 70, propped right, should push a non-waterlogged Revenge 19 to 28 MPH.
slojoe posted 07-31-2012 10:22 PM ET (US)
Motor in question is a 2-stroke Evinrude 70 horse. Sounds like it should do what I need. Thank you
L H G posted 08-01-2012 01:23 PM ET (US)
Good luck with a 70 on a Revenge 19! If you like going 20 MPH at 4800 RPM, be my guest.
I have a 1975 Outrage version of that hull, wich is lighter weight and better balanced. It was originally powered with a single 1975 Johnson 70. The owner told me it was a dog, with no load carrying ability at all, and a couple of years later he added another one, mismatched in design and color. The twin 70's gave the boat about 38 MPH. Unable to live with mismatched twin engines, I got rid of both and installed a 2.0 liter Merc 150. Now she does 46 MPH.
slojoe posted 08-01-2012 06:23 PM ET (US)
Boat in question is a 73 Revenge 19, asking price of $1500. It has an 86 Johnson 150 with a blown lower unit that is hanging loose but frozen to the flywheel. Hull is on the correct full keel roller/wooden bunk trailer, although it needs a lot of torch time. Looks like the boat has always had a bunk trailer and spent most of its summer life on a mooring.
A great boat unfortunately neglected for too long, bottom drain tube is loose, cracks everywhere, aluminum mounts rotted off, possible freshwater intrusion through the deck and splash well areas, fiberglass distortion at motor mount bolts, transom holes from repower questionably plugged.
I didn't get to climb in the forward hold b/c of a bees' nest. Trailer tongue lifts easily so the entire hull isn't waterlogged. The ladder and bow rail are still present, and the rear bench looks original. Pedestal mounts but no seat tops.
I have a final question about these boats. I saw 2 holes through the hull below the waterline in odd places. One was port side bow, about 1/2 way below waterline, it had a screw, washer, and rubber gasket stopper.
Second hole looked like a 1" open hole pointing down, roughly underneath the fuel tank, starboard side. It had a small water deflector mounted in front of it. Rainwater was flowing steadily from this hole, running onto the ground, although it had stopped raining about 7 hours before hand.
So are these holes factory, if so, what are they for?
Thanks again for the help so far.
L H G posted 08-01-2012 07:56 PM ET (US)
There are several factory 1" thru hulls in these boats, whether they are Revenge or Outrage versions.
There is one that drains the stern fish well. Discharge is below the water line in the transom.
There are two that drain the splashwell, with dischrage above the water line in the transom.
There is one that drains the starboard floor sump, with discharge in bottom of hull, covered by a Perko fitting.
There is one that drains the fuel tank cavity, with discharge into the starboard sump.
From the sound of it, that boat sounds like a bad deal, and I would not buy it. For a Whaler that size, you actually NEED to pay a lot more, to be way ahead financially! It may be cheap, but don't be deceived. Bringing back one of these boats can cost a fortune.
For reference here is mine, which is all original and needed no restoration at all. Perhaps these photos can answer some of your questions.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v429/lgoltz/Outrage%2019/
I would also recommend you look on WhalerCentral.com, where there are a couple of Project Albums posted by people who have done complete restorations of this hull. It gives you an idea of the huge amount of work and time it takes.
slojoe posted 08-02-2012 07:35 AM ET (US)
I didn't buy the boat, too much work for me right now. I mentioned what I saw in case anyone else was interested.
I know the amount of work to restore a damaged Whaler, that is why I don't have one. Honestly I don't think this one is that bad, but my current house situation doesn't allow for an extended boat project.
As it is I have a 19' downeaster, not as nice as that old Revenge but better maintained. Rides rough in the slop but it's all I can afford for now.
Thanks again for the input. Still don't know what that hole forward was for, it was on the port bow, about 1/2-way between waterline and keel, covered with a 7/8" screw and washer, and a couple coats of paint. Just wondering in case I come across another of these boats some day.
egres posted 08-06-2012 05:18 PM ET (US)
Joe,
The idea of buying a Classic of that vintage will be to give you; and possibly your friends; a peg to hang your hat and do quality work.
You could do it quick but it won't be cheap.
You could do it slow and enjoy yourself making it right, and still will have to spend a good amount.
The motor issue will be the last detail to be solved.
If looking for a quick solution,you may want to pass on this one.
Seems like a project boat waiting for the right party to take over.
You will be advised that
Whalers are a lot of fun to restore.

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Author	Topic: Revenge 19
slojoe	posted 07-31-2012 05:42 PM ET (US) Will an old 1970s Revenge 19 do ok with a 70-horse? The archives show it is rated for a minimum 65 horsepower. I would like to be able to cruise at 15 knots, with maybe a 22 knot max speed. Does anyone have any experience running a Revenge or Outrage 19 with an outboard under 100hsp? thanks-
Tom W Clark	posted 07-31-2012 10:12 PM ET (US) 70 HP what? If it's a two stroke, 70 HP will meet your 25 MPH top speed requirement. An OMC 70, propped right, should push a non-waterlogged Revenge 19 to 28 MPH.
slojoe	posted 07-31-2012 10:22 PM ET (US) Motor in question is a 2-stroke Evinrude 70 horse. Sounds like it should do what I need. Thank you
L H G	posted 08-01-2012 01:23 PM ET (US) Good luck with a 70 on a Revenge 19! If you like going 20 MPH at 4800 RPM, be my guest. I have a 1975 Outrage version of that hull, wich is lighter weight and better balanced. It was originally powered with a single 1975 Johnson 70. The owner told me it was a dog, with no load carrying ability at all, and a couple of years later he added another one, mismatched in design and color. The twin 70's gave the boat about 38 MPH. Unable to live with mismatched twin engines, I got rid of both and installed a 2.0 liter Merc 150. Now she does 46 MPH.
slojoe	posted 08-01-2012 06:23 PM ET (US) Boat in question is a 73 Revenge 19, asking price of $1500. It has an 86 Johnson 150 with a blown lower unit that is hanging loose but frozen to the flywheel. Hull is on the correct full keel roller/wooden bunk trailer, although it needs a lot of torch time. Looks like the boat has always had a bunk trailer and spent most of its summer life on a mooring. A great boat unfortunately neglected for too long, bottom drain tube is loose, cracks everywhere, aluminum mounts rotted off, possible freshwater intrusion through the deck and splash well areas, fiberglass distortion at motor mount bolts, transom holes from repower questionably plugged. I didn't get to climb in the forward hold b/c of a bees' nest. Trailer tongue lifts easily so the entire hull isn't waterlogged. The ladder and bow rail are still present, and the rear bench looks original. Pedestal mounts but no seat tops. I have a final question about these boats. I saw 2 holes through the hull below the waterline in odd places. One was port side bow, about 1/2 way below waterline, it had a screw, washer, and rubber gasket stopper. Second hole looked like a 1" open hole pointing down, roughly underneath the fuel tank, starboard side. It had a small water deflector mounted in front of it. Rainwater was flowing steadily from this hole, running onto the ground, although it had stopped raining about 7 hours before hand. So are these holes factory, if so, what are they for? Thanks again for the help so far.
L H G	posted 08-01-2012 07:56 PM ET (US) There are several factory 1" thru hulls in these boats, whether they are Revenge or Outrage versions. There is one that drains the stern fish well. Discharge is below the water line in the transom. There are two that drain the splashwell, with dischrage above the water line in the transom. There is one that drains the starboard floor sump, with discharge in bottom of hull, covered by a Perko fitting. There is one that drains the fuel tank cavity, with discharge into the starboard sump. From the sound of it, that boat sounds like a bad deal, and I would not buy it. For a Whaler that size, you actually NEED to pay a lot more, to be way ahead financially! It may be cheap, but don't be deceived. Bringing back one of these boats can cost a fortune. For reference here is mine, which is all original and needed no restoration at all. Perhaps these photos can answer some of your questions. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v429/lgoltz/Outrage%2019/ I would also recommend you look on WhalerCentral.com, where there are a couple of Project Albums posted by people who have done complete restorations of this hull. It gives you an idea of the huge amount of work and time it takes.
slojoe	posted 08-02-2012 07:35 AM ET (US) I didn't buy the boat, too much work for me right now. I mentioned what I saw in case anyone else was interested. I know the amount of work to restore a damaged Whaler, that is why I don't have one. Honestly I don't think this one is that bad, but my current house situation doesn't allow for an extended boat project. As it is I have a 19' downeaster, not as nice as that old Revenge but better maintained. Rides rough in the slop but it's all I can afford for now. Thanks again for the input. Still don't know what that hole forward was for, it was on the port bow, about 1/2-way between waterline and keel, covered with a 7/8" screw and washer, and a couple coats of paint. Just wondering in case I come across another of these boats some day.
egres	posted 08-06-2012 05:18 PM ET (US) Joe, The idea of buying a Classic of that vintage will be to give you; and possibly your friends; a peg to hang your hat and do quality work. You could do it quick but it won't be cheap. You could do it slow and enjoy yourself making it right, and still will have to spend a good amount. The motor issue will be the last detail to be solved. If looking for a quick solution,you may want to pass on this one. Seems like a project boat waiting for the right party to take over. You will be advised that Whalers are a lot of fun to restore.