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richvi posted 08-10-2012 12:36 PM ET (US)   Profile for richvi   Send Email to richvi  
I used to look over my shoulder while backing the trailer. But I pulled a muscle in my side last summer. I had read the topics on 'backing trailers' on this web site in search of new techniques. However, the use of the rear/side mirrors did not work for me. This year I tried using another tip: a target in the boat as a centering technique. A brightly painted tennis ball attached to a pole in the center of the boat. On the very first attempt, in using only mirrors, it worked like a charm. While looking in the rear mirror, I could quickly see whenever the trailer was going off to the side. My body thanks to whomever shared that tip.
Chuck Tribolet posted 08-10-2012 05:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
If your trailer is wider than the truck, using the side
mirrors works just fine. You quickly learn what the trailer
fender looks like in the mirror and can see if it's off by
only a little.


Chuck

onlyawhaler posted 08-10-2012 06:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for onlyawhaler  Send Email to onlyawhaler     
I hurt and had surgery on my neck years ago and I had to re-learn back skills. I just can't turn around anymore and my driveway where I park the Whaler is uphill and angled

I learned to just sit back and watch the outer edges of my fenders. I just keep it slow, watch the angles and it has worked for me.

Also while backing my Chev Tahoe to the hitch on the trailer I learned a tip from a friend.

I have placed a small decal on the inside of the rear window marking the center of the vehicle which keeps me close to centering the hitch while backing up to it.

Hope it helps

Sterling
Onlyawhaler

contender posted 08-10-2012 09:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for contender  Send Email to contender     
Do not see it so much any more, however use to see a lot of hitches on the front of a trucks for launching the boat..
Another thing that is helpful is a longer tongue on the trailer...
PeteB88 posted 08-11-2012 12:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Just practice backing mirrors only without a trailer hooked up, then hook it up. One thing I learned years ago from my iron worker cousin Bob is when you have to turn the rig while backing up and once you establish your angles and path he used to say "now follow it" meaning follow the trailer with the tow vehicle and you'll be surprised that it works great. You will notice immediately that you will not oversteer or over correct if you learn how to "follow" the trailer.

Once you establish your straight line back up path, hold the wheel straight (works best w/o trailer). Sometimes when backing up in long straight line, I will zig zag the steering wheel just a little bit which I have seen double bottom semi drivers do backing up big rigs.

retired posted 08-11-2012 12:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for retired    
To help with steering while backing up, place your hand on the bottom of the steering wheel and turn in the direction that you want to go. i.e.(If you want the trailer to go the left turn to the left and if you want the trailer to go to the right turn to the right.)
Jerry Townsend posted 08-11-2012 02:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jerry Townsend  Send Email to Jerry Townsend     
Experience - experience and still more experience. Hook up your boat trailer on a quite Sunday morning and practice in an empty parking lot. Been dragging and backing trailers for a long,long time - but this is what I did when my son was first learning to back a trailer. ---- Jerry/Idaho
Chuck Tribolet posted 08-11-2012 03:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
And if you have a 4x4, put it in compound low. Everything
happens in slow motion.

Chuck

PeteB88 posted 08-11-2012 03:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Sometimes slow is good.
Marsh posted 08-12-2012 10:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Marsh  Send Email to Marsh     
I've been backing boat trailers since 1980...various tow vehicles...'76 Nova, '83 full size Dodge van, '90 GMC 3/4 ton van, dodge pick up, three different Ford pickups...anyhow, I've always found it much easier to back a truck, trailer attached or not, by using the external mirrors. Neither of my custom vans even had internal mirrors. Couldn't have seen anything with them anyhow.

Yup. External mirrors for me...at least for trucks...cars might be different.

Gotta admit, backing the Wave Runner is a bit tricky, no matter what mirrors are used. Short wheel base on the trailer makes it super sensitive to steering input.

pete r posted 08-13-2012 03:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for pete r  Send Email to pete r     
Have a look at the new reversing cameras on Ebay
kwik_wurk posted 08-13-2012 02:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for kwik_wurk  Send Email to kwik_wurk     
I just open the back door to the SUV (make sure everything is secured, less it roll off the back).

But yes, the my trick is drive the trailer on the route you plan, and let the truck follow.

gusgus posted 08-13-2012 02:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for gusgus  Send Email to gusgus     
I have a dually and it is nearly impossible to see the trailer behind the truck when the boat is not there.
I installed a front hitch and man does that make moving the trailer and boat easier. But I plan on installing these;
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31Q2TdzVF9L._SL500_AA300_.jpg
so I can see the back end of the trailer in the mirrors.
Jefecinco posted 08-13-2012 06:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jefecinco  Send Email to Jefecinco     
I find it extremely useful to open the tailgate on my pickup when at the launch ramp and when backing on the driveway at home.

I first learned backing with a trailer while a very new trooper in the Army Engineers. As a heavy equipment repairman I needed to be able to move the equipment around our work sites. An old timer gave me lessons for about 15 minutes then turned me loose with a 5 ton tractor and a lowboy trailer so I could practice. I spent just about the whole day playing "truck driver" and building confidence. At the end of the day I could do almost anything with that tractor trailer combination.

Butch

ToeCutter66 posted 08-13-2012 07:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for ToeCutter66  Send Email to ToeCutter66     
I have a front hitch on my truck, but I have never needed to use it.
pete r posted 08-13-2012 08:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for pete r  Send Email to pete r     
I aways drop the tail gate. It's amazing the assistance you get from noises from the rear as you reverse
Nauti Tauk posted 08-13-2012 08:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Nauti Tauk  Send Email to Nauti Tauk     
When backing down a ramp I put the truk in neutral at the beginning of the ramp incline and let the boat/trailer pull the truck down the ramp. This seems to just about eliminate the weaving I use to do with the short wheel base on my 170Monatuk trailer.
padrefigure posted 08-14-2012 07:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for padrefigure  Send Email to padrefigure     
One other trick you can use to keep the trailer on line--as you start to back up, pick a target spot 10 feet or so behind the trailer tire. Then as you back up, watch the course of the tire and adjust it to keep it on the line. The concept is to break the back up distance down into manageble segments. Complete all the segments and you should be right on target.
Landlocked posted 08-16-2012 04:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Landlocked  Send Email to Landlocked     
I always use just the side mirrors. Just watch the trailer tire. with practice - it really is the easiest way.
davej14 posted 08-17-2012 02:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for davej14  Send Email to davej14     
Guide-On posts on the trailer serve a useful dual purpose. When the trailer is empty they make the position of the trailer easily seen when backing down the ramp.
jimh posted 08-17-2012 03:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Tall white guide posts are excellent in helping to back up the trailer without the boat. I also mark the proper water line on the guides so I know how deeply to immerse the trailer for proper loading. I always back in until the water line on the guide post reaches my mark.
gusgus posted 08-17-2012 05:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for gusgus  Send Email to gusgus     
The guide posts and the marks are both great ideas. How do you adjust your depth and use the marks in different pitched ramps. Or do you primarily use one ramp?
jimh posted 08-18-2012 08:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I don't have a scientific method to compensate for ramp slope and immersion. I play it by ear.

The mark represents the normal waterline of the hull when the boat is on the trailer. When launching I usually back in to the point where the mark is just below water. The boat usually comes right off the trailer at that point. When loading, I usually back in to the mark. As the boat is winched onto the trailer the stern will tend to settle gently on the bunks. If the trailer is too deep when loading you often see the boat remain floating until you start to pull out, at which point the boat may settle onto the the trailer with a list. By starting with the mark at the water line, the stern tends to be bearing onto the bunks and tends to center itself. Once the boat is mainly on the bunks and not afloat, I will back in further to make the load on the winch reduced by adding some buoyancy.

The guides also help keep the boat centered and prevent loading with a list, although in situations with a strong cross wind a Whaler will tend to lean into the wind.

Ramp slope can cause problems in launching and loading for some boats and trailers. I recall one ramp I used where I could not get the boat onto the trailer properly. It was a long ramp. I drove up the ramp, turned around, and drove down the ramp with the truck first. This put the boat on the trailer on a downward slope. With the bunks wet and the downward slope I was then able to winch the boat the last few inches onto the trailer. I got a few strange looks from other ramp users.

If the boat does load on the trailer with a slight list, I have found that by the time I drive 500-miles on the highway back to home the boat will have nicely corrected itself and be almost perfectly centered.

swist posted 08-19-2012 08:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for swist  Send Email to swist     
I am so lame at this it's pitiful, although I have a small excuse in that my Montauk sits on a mooring all season so I only get to do it twice a year.

I do use the hand on the bottom of the steering wheel trick so that I mostly turn the wheel the way I should.

But what usually happens is when the trailer starts to go a little off course I start correcting very very slowly but it never seems to have any affect until suddenly I've overcorrected - half the time I wind up in a jacknifed position and have to go forward to straighten out.

I'm going to carefully re-read every reply to this topic and see if I can pick up any hints.

jimh posted 08-19-2012 10:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Part of the problem for swist in backing the trailer for his MONTAUK may be the short distance between the hitch and the trailer axle on a trailer for a 17-foot boat. The shorter the distance between the hitch ball and the trailer axle, the faster the trailer will react to changes in direction. Backing up a larger trailer where the trailer axle is probably twice as far from the hitch as on swist's trailer will literally be twice as easy.
swist posted 08-19-2012 11:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for swist  Send Email to swist     
Thanks Jim, will keep that in mind. At least I feel less like an idiot.

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