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| beemerfan |
posted 12-10-2012 06:00 PM ET (US)  
Maybe this is why Metan Marine charges so much for their restorations! Holy Smokes! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz4i1rMeCCA&feature=share |
| Binkster |
posted 12-10-2012 08:29 PM ET (US)
The must pick up their hulls at the local trash dump. 13 foot restorable Whaler hulls are plentiful and for a grand you can find a nice dry undamaged one with a decent trailer. Why put all of that time and material into fixing one like that, its still a patched up piece of crap. rich |
| wannabe |
posted 12-10-2012 09:29 PM ET (US)
Do you think they can achieve the unibond hull after chopping the floor up and cutting the old foam out? Drew |
| jimh |
posted 12-10-2012 10:18 PM ET (US)
I don't understand the fascination with this particular re-seller. Their prices are much too high, and, as mentioned, they seem to start their restorations with boats that came from land fills or have been used as planters. |
| K Albus |
posted 12-10-2012 11:13 PM ET (US)
I would guess that in some cases the particular hull has some sentimental value to the rich guy paying for the restoration. |
| superdave_gv |
posted 12-10-2012 11:20 PM ET (US)
You know, that video was really impressive. I understand the appeal, although I would never be in the market at their prices. Think about how many hours are spent scouring the Internet for barn finds, only to still fret about water intrusion unknowns, spider cracking, etc. For someone who knows what they want, knows the value of their own time and can afford the boat, why mess around with all the the hassle? Looks like good honest work to me. They also help keep classic Whaler resale values up, much like in the classic car resto market. So although a purchase like that for me is just as unlikely as buying a new Whaler, I am glad to see the viability of such an effort. |
| sraab928 |
posted 12-11-2012 07:36 AM ET (US)
I really dont think its true Whaler construction anymore. They dig out all the foam - pour more in and vacumn bag a new floor in. Its more like a frankenwhaler now. Just my opinion. |
| PeteB88 |
posted 12-11-2012 10:22 AM ET (US)
Who knows why these guys do this. Video tells the story. Must be the owner of the boat was emotional about it and had the bucks as stated before. Oh well. Did these guys ever get a TV show?? I had a neighbor were we used to live that took apart old houses (literally) and rebuilt them - took a couple of years. Houses were no big deal at least 70, 80 years old or more but had very nice hardwood staircases, trim etc. He would strip the house, including all lath and plaster (w horse hair in the plaster!), save all the wood and in extreme cases dig the basements (mostly too low, Michigan stone and damp) a couple of feet by hand. He must have done 10 or so by now. I guess it's some obsession for him but must be the big bucks for the Metan dudes. Whatever. I wish I knew how to do gelcoat.
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| boatdryver |
posted 12-11-2012 11:22 AM ET (US)
"Who knows why these guys do this." I doubt Metan Marine would do this if it weren't profitable. The real question to me is "who pays these prices?" Well, let's say you're a high level CEO who works 15 hours a day 6 days a week and you just got your $5 million bonus. You go buy that lake house you've always wanted and you just gotta have a perfect classic ribside Whaler for the boathouse before you get that heart attack. Instead of spending 6 months combing barns in the countryside and a year doing a restoration yourself that you have no clue how to do, Who are you gonna call? Metan Marine. JimL |
| BQUICK |
posted 12-11-2012 11:53 AM ET (US)
Pretty impressive but too bad after all that they couldn't put the Whaler decal in the right position. |
| Binkster |
posted 12-11-2012 06:42 PM ET (US)
Last spring they were offering a "restored" 16 foot Whaler for around $75,000. I wrote to them and made an offer of about $45,000. I also sent them a picture of my restored custom 13 footer and told them I wanted to trade it and needed $35000. I got a return e-mail from their sales manager, saying nice boat, if we open a yard in Tampa we'll give you a job. LOL. rich |
| phatwhaler |
posted 12-11-2012 08:01 PM ET (US)
Looks like the project was commissioned by a Whaler dealer. That would somewhat explain the expense. |
| PeteB88 |
posted 12-11-2012 11:51 PM ET (US)
They seem like guys we'd like to party with - plus they got balls the size of grapefruits asking all that money. And there are high roller dudes out there who would pay that kind of money because they can. Just because they can. Now, all my available cash is tied up in bills. |
| Binkster |
posted 12-12-2012 04:46 PM ET (US)
If you remember the trailers from their non-happening TV series, I would say they are "farting higher than their butts" (an old Cuban expression I learned in Miami), meaning lowlifes trying to make the big time. rich |
| metanmarine |
posted 12-18-2012 12:35 PM ET (US)
Good Old Binkster! If he isn't bad mouthing a man's wife he is bad mouthing their work. Patched up piece of crap? Your a idiot! After the craftsmanship of the craftsmen that goes into rebuilding these boat is in your opinion crap your even a bigger idiot. I have sat back and kept my professional mouth shut but I just had to stick up for my guys and warn everyone be aware of the people you are get advise from because they may seem to know alot but that still doesn't mean they are not idiots! Good Day Gentleman |
| 6992WHALER |
posted 12-18-2012 01:24 PM ET (US)
Mike Borrelli President Metan Marine, Inc, To bad you had to join this thread in such a negative way. I for one would have enjoyed hearing the inside stories of the work you do. But after your post, I am not sure but, you may have just blown your credibility and lost your chance to win over this group of boating enthusiasts. |
| metanmarine |
posted 12-18-2012 07:34 PM ET (US)
Well that's too bad that you feel that way and would rather support a man who time and time again has gone out of his way to post very negative and personal comments about My Wife, Myself and the incredible craftsmen at Metan. How that effects my credibility is questionable at best and I'm sure the gentlemen and boating enthusiasts on this site will understand my point of view. I have been nothing but kind and helpful to anyone who contacts me either on a blog or at the shop so I hope that you can reconsider your view and if you do have any questions about what we do and how we do it, I would welcome my advice or help. Mike Borrelli, President |
| bkjones |
posted 12-18-2012 09:02 PM ET (US)
If I had that kind of disposable cash, I'd go for it. Definitely beautiful boats. For now though, I'll work on coming up with the cash to replace my 27 year old ones that have finally, officially outlived their useful life. |
| Mambo Minnow |
posted 12-18-2012 09:13 PM ET (US)
I live and work nearby and I would welcome checking out their operation. I've seen their display at the Newport boat show. |
| pete r |
posted 12-18-2012 09:40 PM ET (US)
I like those restored beauties even though they are a bit costly. I two would pay the bucks if I was cashed up. Just as I would want an over priced restored classic motorcycle. |
| fno |
posted 12-18-2012 11:21 PM ET (US)
I know Binkster and have been on the wrong side of his rants. Not to say he is wrong, but Metan has a place in this world for those that have too much money and not enough time to restore the exact Whaler that they want. I happen to think Mike Borellis comments to be sincere and to the point. I also have to question the ethics of this site as to comments about the price,quality, and servicability of a particular seller. It is well known that a for sale ad should be immune to comment as to the price level, quality of goods, reasonable price/ market issues. Not that Metan is selling his boats on ContinuousWave, but that does not necessarily give us permission to trash his offerings to others. However, I am not one to criticize the moderator of this site, even though at times a commercial enterprise takes it in the shorts by the members of this site. I would like to see a rant against Lockemans for any reason get the same leeway as this one. I doubt that would even happen, but the analogy is there... |
| 6992WHALER |
posted 12-19-2012 09:27 AM ET (US)
Mike, why did you guys use such a damaged hull to start this project? Is there some history or story goes with it? |
| beemerfan |
posted 12-19-2012 11:17 AM ET (US)
I think all would agree (big assumption) that it's uncomfortable when one's thread gets hijacked. I realize this thread was started with little info, but I was amazed at the amount of work Metan put into this particular restoration. They practically rebuilt the boat from the inside out. I wouldn't be surprised if more man hours were spent on the original build. I don't understand why there is all this negative sentiment towards Metan. If their product is not for you, that's fine, but why do you have to practically slander them? If Metan can keep people employed these days, find customers and keep them happy, and stop old Whalers from becoming landfill, why would anyone think they are not doing a good thing? |
| metanmarine |
posted 12-19-2012 12:51 PM ET (US)
Thanks Guys for the kind words and I never doubted that there were and are people on this site that see what we are doing is pretty cool. To answer the gentleman about the different hulls. He is correct by saying most of the hulls that we start with are boats that have been in families for the last 40 or 50 years. We do have our share of hulls stack up in our yard and out of all the hulls I have bought over the years there hasn't been one that hasn't had water in the foam. That is why we have our processes and every hull gets remanufactured the same way whether it is a 13 or 16.7. The 21 Outrage is different in the fact that is has a lid but the hull is constructed no different than the small hulls. We also take brand new Whaler Hulls and turn them into Metan Resto Mods. This is when we take say a New blank 17 hull and turn it into a Metan Sakonnet. We are currently just finishing a 2012 32 Outrage and we turned it into a Metan Resto Mod carrying some looks of the first 27 Offshore Model that Whaler introduced in the 80's This boat is going to blow you away! Check out the Sakonnet on our Facebook Page and Please don't forget to "Like" the page. Go to our Facebook Fan Page and Our YouTube Channel and you can see the videos of the different models, Plus many more very cool projects. www.facebook.com/metanmarine www.youtube.com/metanmarine My Best to You All, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays Mike Borrelli, President |
| David Pendleton |
posted 12-19-2012 11:07 PM ET (US)
Mike Borrelli, Metan Marine has been discussed many times here in the past. Truth is, the discussion(s) are usually centered around your pricing and are not generally positive. I'm not here to criticize you for that. Ask what you want for your boats. More power to you. I see you've just registered on ContinuousWave. That's good. If it's Whaler-related and on the Web, you're going to find it here. Personally, I welcome your participation here, and I hope you realize the value of the community here. You're going to be criticized at times, I'm sure, but I also think both you and the CW community can benefit from one-another's know-how. Stick around, and don't take things too personally. |
| wannabe |
posted 12-19-2012 11:48 PM ET (US)
Metan is doing to Whalers what the Wood boat restoration shops have been doing for years and getting BIG money for it. The well heeled have the wood Chris Crafts and Lymans totally remanned with tons of new wood encased in Epoxy. These wood boats can last for many years with this method. Do these boats ride the same with the woods inability to soak up water? Probably not. It might say 1957 on the title but not much of it remains from that date. Drew |
| jimh |
posted 12-20-2012 04:30 PM ET (US)
Is there some way to see the Metan conversion boats mentioned without having to participate in Facebook? |
| metanmarine |
posted 12-20-2012 04:37 PM ET (US)
Go to the Metan Marine Channel on YouTube. I do not know why the above link is not working but you can go to YouTube search Metan Marine and our Channel will come up. There are many Whaler Video/Slide Shows on numerous 13's to 25 Guardian not to mention other builds and repairs. Mike Borrelli |
| metanmarine |
posted 12-20-2012 04:39 PM ET (US)
Search the full name: Metan Marine Restoration. There are other videos that will come up if you just search Metan Marine. |
| jimh |
posted 12-20-2012 04:42 PM ET (US)
I browsed the YouTube line up but I did not see any customization of new Boston Whaler boats that you mentioned, such as the newer 320 OUTRAGE customization. If have the link for that, please give it. Thanks. |
| metanmarine |
posted 12-20-2012 04:42 PM ET (US)
Just noticed the link is at the top of this thread!!! |
| metanmarine |
posted 12-20-2012 04:55 PM ET (US)
Sorry they are just on Facebook as of now. We have not made any video's of those as of yet. |
| Binkster |
posted 12-21-2012 01:01 PM ET (US)
Metan Marine's comment (and out of all the hulls I have bought over the years there hasn't been one that hasn't had water in the foam.) In my opinion that is bogus. There are plenty of dry old Whalers out there and they are not hard to find. I am sure there are many other members here that can attest to that. When I bought my '61 13 footer, ($1000 with a good trailer) I weighed the bare hull, before starting to work on it and it weighed 275lbs., which is right for a dry hull. If you want to pay $200 or less you get what you pay for. Not only that, when you remove the floor, or portions of the hull, and pour in new foam, and laminate a new floor or skin, you loose the Unibond construction where the foam is poured in between the inner and outer molds and expands under pressure which gives the hull it's great strength. How do they "remanufacture" that? That is a term to be used on the general public, not here with knowlegeable Whalerites. Again, as was written many times in this forum, "don't mess with waterlogged Whalers" It ain't worth it. Also there is no Whaler that is a rare model. When I restored my 1959 14' Sea Fury, pictured below, the hull had no interior, the transom was gone, someone cut out the inside of the tail fins, and the stringers were rotted. I had to replace all that which was alot of work, but were was I going to find another one. http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c191/floridaboy2053/ boat%20restorations/Boston%20whaler%2013%20footer/ |
| Binkster |
posted 12-21-2012 01:08 PM ET (US)
Sorry, wrong pics. Here are pics of the Sea fury. http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c191/floridaboy2053/ boat%20restorations/ |
| wannabe |
posted 12-21-2012 01:50 PM ET (US)
Binkster, nice resto pics and I agree that not all Whalers have significant water in the foam. That is just a sales gimmick. It does look like they do some nice work at Metan. Drew
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| pcrussell50 |
posted 01-27-2013 11:28 PM ET (US)
We have two things going on here: 1) What appears to be painstaking and skilled work that results in... 2) A beautiful appearing hull that is no longer Unibond. With the near obsessive appreciation the CWW members I've gotten to know have for their Whalers and originality, I would imagine that the loss of Unibond would be a deal breaker. It would be to me. Unibond IS Boston Whaler, to me. And I am way more tolerant of modifications than some of this lot. Some poor bastard did what looked like a bang-up conversion of a classic 17 into a bass boat. By all accounts the workmanship was superb. And the tough CWW crowd still ripped it to shreds. Question to Metan Marine: Are your extreme, ground-up restorations still registered as the original year, make, and model? Or do they get a new USCG designator? -Peter |
| Binkster |
posted 01-28-2013 02:31 PM ET (US)
Peter, you ask an interesting question. I think what they are trying to do is in the same vein as the Calloway Corvette, of which as a car guy I know you are familiar with. Thing is Calloway buys new Corvettes and then improves the performance and handling. Cutting out sections of the hull and then replacing the foam and the glass, compromises the Unibond Construction that makes a Boston Whaler what it is. Also the hulls are painted with Awlgrip and not regelcoated to Whalers spec. Nothing wrong with Awlgrip, mind you, I use it also, and love it, but in the hands of average owners it is not as durable and is harder to patch then gelcoat. Awlgrip has a lifespan of 10 to 12 years depending on use, will blister if left in the water for over a week without bottom paint, and will chip easier than gelcoat. I'm in the process of building a custom 15 footer and the exterior of the hull was in great shape even though the boat is 27 years old. I sanded and polished the hull and repaired the chips with gelcoat patch. It was actually a lot more labor intensive than it would have been to sand, prime and paint it with Awlgrip, and although it came out great, it doesn't have that brand new look and impressive gloss that Awlgrip gives. The interior is not in good enough shape to save and will be painted with Awlgrip. What I'm trying to say is I believe that Metan is a customizor and repairer of Bostom Walers, and although they may be better looking than the originals, they are in no way better boats. They advertise "Better than new" well I would say they are better looking than new. Awlgrip and many coats of good varnish bring out the "WOW" factor. rich |
| martyn1075 |
posted 01-28-2013 04:12 PM ET (US)
If I was paying big money for a Whaler or a vintage car I would want it to be structurally sound meaning the way it was built from factory but kept in showroom condition. If it was cut open and replaced with a different method then designed I would be a bit weary and likely would not pay nearly as much. Although in this case a boat that was as good as gone perhaps brought back to showroom appeal there was solid skill professional work involved it does amount to something and deserving so in some cases. Is it more than what the boat is in a garage find in A1 condition I don't think so. A house is similar. An old house can be solid if maintained and kept together over the years. If the principle is the same in structure just like a good Whaler should be imo. |
| L H G |
posted 01-28-2013 05:20 PM ET (US)
Even though I believe in paying up for the very best original condition Whaler you can find, and that fixing up one in marginal condition is a money losing, time consuming waste of time, I have this theory: FOR A BOAT YOU PLAN TO RE-SELL, NEVER SHOW THE "BEFORE" PHOTOS, NOR YOUR RESTORATION PROCESS. It's great for the ego, but all it will do is decrease the value of the finished product. If you show what a beater the boat was, most will not want to buy it, or at least not pay top dollar for it. They know you got it cheap, and don't really know how good, or how bad, your handyman work is. Showing the restoration work stages is great for showing off skills, ability and quality of work, but undermines value. A person who fixes up a Whaler for sale should only show the finished product. Forget the "project album" photos and videos if you plan to be a seller. When you go to a restaurant, they say if most people knew what really went on in the kitchen, they wouldn't eat there. Same for boats. For anyone who really knows the value of a classic Whaler, a painted over, heavily repaired hull will never have the long lasting collector value and appeal of an original gelcoat classic. This guy at Classic Mercury Outboards has it right - he only shows the finished product. |
| metanmarine |
posted 01-28-2013 11:46 PM ET (US)
Gentleman: I'm sorry that I cannot give a detailed explanation why you are wrong with your comments. At some point maybe in a verbal forum we can discuss in detail but our processes are not something that can be explain in type. You are not familiar with the structural components such as the new shear ties and the wet injection process we use. I have a friend of mind Bob Dougherty that I have gone to over the years for advice. He has seen many of our projects both Boston Whaler and other great classics such as our Seacrafts. Every process that we use I have discuss with him in great detail and in fact he has helped us improve. So as long as he feels we are doing a great job and our processes and methods are producing a long lasting, high end quality piece I'm pretty confident that it is better than new and that has nothing to do with ego. |
| Binkster |
posted 01-29-2013 08:19 AM ET (US)
metan, Please explain how you use Bob's RAMCAP technology when you are only repairing or adding a new section of a Whaler. He must have given you advice on how to do this. BTW about how old is Bob now, I understand he was in his eightys when he founded Edgewater Boats For those that are not familiar with RAMCAP, that is the process that Bob Daugherty developed to build Boston Whalers, and is now used in Everglades boats also. See below, an excerpt from Edgewater. rich RAMCAP (Rapid Molded Core Assembly Process) bonds the hull and structural core together under extreme pressure to deliver a truly unsinkable boat which will sustain |
| saumon |
posted 01-29-2013 08:59 AM ET (US)
I know it must be a typo, but a "friend of mind" sounds like an imaginary friend...sorry, couldn't resist! |
| pcrussell50 |
posted 01-29-2013 01:01 PM ET (US)
Metan Marine/Mike, You did not answer my question: -Peter |
| andygere |
posted 01-29-2013 01:24 PM ET (US)
Geez guys, Mike and his staff at Metan are fixing up old, abused Whalers and giving them new life, something many of us here are interested in. From what I've seen, their work is first class, and I'm sure the prices reflect the cost of labor and materials involved. If it's too expensive, don't buy one, but don't bash these guys for doing what they do. I'm pretty impressed with their work, and the finished boats look better than the day they rolled out of the Whaler factory. |
| Binkster |
posted 01-29-2013 01:35 PM ET (US)
to metan about Bob Dougherty. As a friend of Bob D. maybe you can answer this. Did his last venture, Everglades boats go belly up? I hope not, but in 2009 they were in financial trouble. At 83 years old what is he doing now, besides giving you advice. Is he still living in Fl. rich |
| Jeff |
posted 01-29-2013 01:42 PM ET (US)
Rich, RAMCAP is not the same as a unibond process where the liquid foam is poured in between the inter and outerliners and allowed to expand under pressure. With RAMCAP they area taking CNC milled, preshaped high density foam parts and then bond them into the interior of the hull liner using a vacuum bagging process. At least that is the way Bob Dougherty explain it to me at the Miami Boat show in 2008. Here is a press release about RAMCAP: In addition to providing incredible stability and unsinkability, RAMCAP eliminates air Conventional fiberglass boat manufactures inject or spray foam between the deck So Mike, are you saying that Bob Dougherty is working as a consultant on your processes and rebuilds? That is a fact that should really be advertised and would a lot of credibility to the restorations. |
| Binkster |
posted 01-29-2013 03:55 PM ET (US)
jeff, I'm aware of the difference between RAMCAP and the Unibond system Whaler uses, but as far as I know Bob's latest venture Everglades Boats, are built using the RAMCAP procedure. He primarily used RAMCAP when he was building parts for other boat builders, so I thought it might fit into the restoration process. Wow, if Metan has hired Bob Dougherty as a consultant that is a big thing. I wonder why metan took so long to bring it out into the open. I too would like to see the answer to Peter's question. If they title those junker Whalers they rebuild and use their own name, they probably saved themselves a lot of paperwork headaches. After all would be hard to get a title to a boat from the landfill. Its not easy to get a boat either, as landfills usually only allow incoming stuff not outgoing. I saw a 13 footer in a landfill in Ft. Myers years ago, but they wouldn't let me take it with me. I saw them crush it. That changing the name deal wouldn't work in Fl. They are very carefule due to the large amount of boat thefts. rich |
| Binkster |
posted 01-29-2013 04:05 PM ET (US)
jeff, I omited the word NOW that should fit in between I'm and aware. I figured that they were basically the same with a new name. rich |
| metanmarine |
posted 01-29-2013 04:28 PM ET (US)
Yes the boats are titled as Brand New Boats with new MIN#'s or if it is restored to the original with original motor with cable pulley steering they are then registered as museum pieces and they keep the year that they are. Also let's not start rumors! I never said Metan hired Mr. "D". I said he was a friend! Which I am excited to stop and see tomorrow. Also someone mentioned Callaway and them tricking out new Corvette's well we do the same here also we take brand new boats and put the Metan twist to them. We have done several Metan Sakonnet using new 17 guardian hull and as I drive south right now to pick up the New Metan 32 VB Outrage we built with Brunswick. These boat will blow you away! |
| tjxtreme |
posted 01-29-2013 04:34 PM ET (US)
Jeez... give the guy a break. He's not making anybody buy one. This is the glory of free market capitalism. Also, Metan never claimed Dougherty was a paid consultant. He said he has asked him for advice. Rich, are you saying I owe you money since I have asked for advice on this board? Where should I send it? I give the guy props for making a living out of something he loves, and for taking pride in his work. I wouldn't buy one at that price (even if I could afford it), but if somebody else wants to why should I care? Maybe it has sentimental value. |
| metanmarine |
posted 01-29-2013 04:37 PM ET (US)
Pete! Your the man! Great job explaining the process! And that goes along with our way of bonding. Most of everything we do is under vacuum! That why the knucklehead Dinkster has no idea of our processes so he should simply go back to bad mouthing woman he doesn't know because he is much better at that! Sorry had to say it! You did a excellent job explaining!!! |
| Binkster |
posted 01-29-2013 05:18 PM ET (US)
Vacuam bagging hulls isn't something new. It is clearly explained in Ken Hankerson's book on fiberglass boatbuilding, that was published in 1982. It never interested me and doesn't fit in with my hobby. I still don't believe in putting any time and money into fixing waterlogged Whalers, and compromizing the Unibond system. I don't believe the Bob says your boat recreations are better than new Boston Whalers. For the members here that think vacuam bagging is an extreme magical process here is a good video on the process. Actually looks like fun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVMtPRiPGtE rich |
| metanmarine |
posted 01-29-2013 05:53 PM ET (US)
You are simply just a [BLEEP]. You are one [BLEEP] in dire need of a [BLEEP] [Please, this is not some cheeseball cable show. Don't use that language here--jimh] |
| pcrussell50 |
posted 01-29-2013 07:41 PM ET (US)
Once again, two things going on here: 1) vacuum bagging is not exotic or unique to Metan Marine. Lots and lots (and lots) of folks who restore old fiberglass boats do it. It is TOTALLY within the purvey of any DIY'er. 2) but it is NOT a cheesy kludge. It is a very good strong lightweight way of building a boat. It is also not Unibond, if that matters to you. It matters to me. It may well be that Metan's non-Unibond restos are perfectly strong enough for most uses. But the assumption of such is non-trivial and should not be taken lightly. I'd want to hear a detailed analysis from an engineer for more certainty as to how strong a hull that was designed to be Unibond, will hold up under a completely different structural system. In the meantime, I like my vacuum bagged boats, vacuum bagged (Hydrostream Viper), and my Unibond boats to be Unibond (two classic Whalers). -Peter |
| Binkster |
posted 01-29-2013 09:45 PM ET (US)
LOL, I don't think jimh condones that sort of language here. This is not a maten marine reality show. I could make a comment and you can probably figure it out but I won't. LOL You got absolutely no class. rich |
| metanmarine |
posted 01-29-2013 10:00 PM ET (US)
Class! Because I finally spoke the truth to a miserable old man. |
| AaronMN |
posted 01-30-2013 05:16 AM ET (US)
Back on topic, please. Metan, Can you comment on the structural integrity of a boat you repair? Personally, I believe that the replaced foam will be just as strong as the original Unibond. Do you have any testing or thoughts on that? |
| metanmarine |
posted 01-30-2013 07:01 AM ET (US)
Yes with new shear ties and injecting the foam with wet lay up and under vacuum the foam is bonded to the skins with great succuss. With the shear ties bonding the hull skin with the deck skin. As far as testing 17 years and hundreds of boats later we never had a issue with one vessel. No better testing and proof then that! |
| Binkster |
posted 01-30-2013 08:53 AM ET (US)
Mike, putting aside any supposed differences we might have(we don't even know each other, for crying out loud), there is one thing I just don't understand. Why do you start so low with your recreations? The 13 footer that started this thread looked like Swiss cheese, when you started. You must have a ton of labor and material in the project before it can even be considered a "normal" boat. When I decided to build a custom 13 footer, I easily found one after a casual search that would be a good project boat. It was a '61 hull with a few dings and a sun baked gel coat finish. The hull was dry, I weighed it on a scale at 280lbs. I paid $1000 for it and a usable trailer, that I upgraded with new springs, hubs, rollers, wheels,and lights. I then prepped the hull for Awlgrip paint, then sprayed it, installed a new rub rail, and designed and built a new custom Sapele mahogany interior. The interior is moved forward 6 inches, which improves the ride and the thwarts are located on top of the seat clamps instead of underneath, which provides a more comfortable ride and space for batteries and fuel tank underneath. I installed a new (at the time) '08 Merc 2 4 stroke. The boat has now only 50 hours on it, and I expect to sell it for 6k(real world price) when my custom 15 footer is finished in the spring. Truthfully I think my boat looks as good as yours, its all about the paint and varnish anyway. Decent project Whalers are everywhere, why go through that hassle. I know what that entails, as I went through it when I restored a '59 Sea Fury (14' fintail glass runabout). But where would I find a good one to start with. Here are some pics. They have been posted here before, hopefully not boring others. |
| dfmcintyre |
posted 01-30-2013 03:53 PM ET (US)
Rich - Somewhere earlier, someone had mentioned (maybe Mike confirmed the question) that some of the renovations were of "family" boats, i.e. passed down through a generation (or two?). I'm sure you've encountered that situation. I know I have, and it's something we're dealing with within my family. Regards - Don |
| Binkster |
posted 01-30-2013 04:22 PM ET (US)
If the 13 footer in the first post of this thread was a family heirloom it certainly wasn't taken of care at all for the last 25 or 30 years, or however long it takes for the hull to develop Swiss cheese holes. It should have been replaced by an identical one in solid condition. They're not hard to find either. That way the Unibond construction would remain intact, and not cobbled together with different construction methods. rich |
| metanmarine |
posted 01-31-2013 12:20 AM ET (US)
The photos were after the boat came back from media blaster. We remove all the gelcoat no screwing around. |
| Binkster |
posted 01-31-2013 12:09 PM ET (US)
Looks like the blaster went wild and blew small holes right through the hull. That had to take some strengt out of the glass shell. No need to remove the gelcoat for either regelling or Awlgrip paint. So what did you do to fill the holes and get it ready for paint. rich |
| littleblue |
posted 02-01-2013 05:25 PM ET (US)
I think the Outrage 25 looks great for the most part. The leaning post and top look like they are off of an Everglades. |
| Austin Whaler |
posted 02-02-2013 11:10 AM ET (US)
I read the this entire thread before looking at the video of the boat. From what everyone said about the boat I was expecting a much worse boat than I saw. I think they are doing a great thing! Granted that right now there are plenty of old whalers but in 20 to 30 years when I have kids how many will there be? And how many will be worth restoring then. At that time these boats will be approaching 80-100 years old. These whalers might be some of the few survivors. Who knows? The price is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion. However there are people that are a lot mor well off than me. As far as cutting the boats up I feel like they may have went a little crazy with that, however it seems like they want every little detail to be perfect. That being said with the amount of detail that goes into these boats I'm sure that this company makes sure that they are strong. Me and my friend at 19 this past year used vacuum molding to repair the keel of a 31 foot jersey sport fishing boat I lived on last summer. It was crushed by a block it was set on. We used a shop vac and plastic painters drop cloths from homedepot. Also I think we should be able to have a discusion like this with less argueing. Let's try to take things as constructive criticism or just ignore them. |
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