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roverguy posted 03-25-2013 09:46 AM ET (US)
[I am] ready to [buy] a new 90 E-TEC for my 1978 Montauk. Pricing seems pretty close around here. Getting in on the free rigging offer, going with the Tach-system check. Motor pricing in Massachusetts by me is $8,315. Install estimate $1,000 to $1,500 depending on need for new helm, cables, battery, etc. Has anyone found a better [price] on the motor? Long time trusted shop one mile from my house and mooring, so comfortable he will only charge me for what is needed. Thanks

jimh posted 03-25-2013 12:15 PM ET (US)
My impression of any engine purchase in which someone reveals their cost for public comment:
--there will be at least one person, if not ten people, who will tell you that the price is too high, and they could have gotten the same deal for much less, usually $5,000-less;
--there is at least one person, if not ten people, who will criticize your choice of engine, accessories, and decision on who will install the engine, and how it will be installed;
--there is no reasonable standard for the services provided by a dealer in what is generally described as "installation" or "rigging" and it is very hard to compare one dealer to another on that basis; some will include everything possible, including test rides, propeller testing, after-sale support and training, and so on, while others will provide almost nothing. These situations are then compared as completely equal outcomes and price is used as the only measure.
As a result, if you like the dealer, if you like the engine, and you like the deal, then be happy. If you want to get other prices, call a few dealers or a super-store run by someone who says he is your uncle, and get more prices.
There are also regional variations, seasonal variations, and manufacturer incentive variations that affect price. I think outboards are like seats on an airplane: no two are sold at the same price.
GrandCayman posted 03-25-2013 07:53 PM ET (US)
[Offered no advice on the topic, but instead changed the topic to begin a discussion of the participants.]
swist posted 03-26-2013 07:58 AM ET (US)
You are also in New England (as am I) - a relatively well-off area with a relatively short boating season. What do you think that does to the prices of marine goods and services? Another factor making comparisons difficult.
And despite the global marketplace on many things, you can't just jump on Amazon.com and pick up an outboard AND installation with a few clicks.
quahog03 posted 03-26-2013 08:16 AM ET (US)
One factor to consider, how many years is the power head warranty.
jimh posted 03-26-2013 08:42 AM ET (US)
I don't think you will find that the manufacturer's warranty duration changes with dealers. However, you will find that the relationship of your dealer with the manufacturer can affect the sort of remedies you may be offered under the warranty. If you purchase an outboard engine from a dealer who has a long relationship with a manufacturer, the dealer employs factory-trained and fully certified technicians, and the dealer has a strong reputation with the manufacturer, the manufacturer may be more inclined to favorably view a claim for a remedy under the warranty made by that dealer as compared to some other seller of the engine where the seller is no longer an authorized dealer, does not have any sort of repair facility, does not employ factory trained technicians, and is not considered by the manufacturer to be a knowledgeable, trusted, and long-time partner with the manufacturer. In this regard, I think there are some tangible benefits to buying from certain dealers that may not be reflected in the price comparison.
Hilinercc posted 03-26-2013 08:51 AM ET (US)
It beem my experience that its very difficult to get just a "ball park' figure on a new E-Tec online. I've seen some internet posts that puts a 200 H.O. around 18K (!), but I'm not taking too much stock in that. I'm interested in a 200 H.O. or 225 Saltwater to replace my OceanPro down the road, but I as I understand it, Dealer prices can vary widely, much like anything else. I wish there was a place one could get some baseline pricing, but I surely haven't found it.
jimh posted 03-26-2013 09:17 AM ET (US)
For several years my local dealer, LOCKEMAN'S BOAT and HARDWARE, had a complete listing of all E-TEC MSRP prices on-line at their website. But the listing was rather long and complicated, and I think it became too much of a chore to maintain the listing every year with accurate prices, and they stopped listing those prices. I don't think they stopped the listing because they decided to conceal the information, but just because it was too tedious to maintain it for them in the system they have of publishing their website. They also used to quote their price for the engine, with their normal services of installation, rigging, and delivery, which were very comprehensive services.
With regard to the MSRP of Evinrude outboard engines, it is my observation that the MSRP is probably higher than may be found on competitors' engines, but the dealers typically offer substantial discount. I do not know the precise reason for the prices chosen, but I can speculate that perhaps the prices are set comparatively high to allow the dealer to have a wider range of selling prices. The dealer is free to offer the products for sale at any prices, from what I understand, and, as we see, some dealers like to sell low and produce a higher volume of outboard engine sales.
By the way, I think outboard engine sales are turning up and becoming stronger. I recently visited my local dealer, and his showroom floor was crowded with new E-TEC engines, so crowded that it was difficult to walk around in that part of the store. There were new 2013 E-TEC engines is 300-HP, 250-HP, 150-HP, 115-HP, 90-HP, and in some cases multiple engines. I said to the dealer, "Wow, you must be optimistic about outboard sales this Spring." He said to me, "These are all already sold."
Mambo Minnow posted 03-26-2013 11:30 AM ET (US)
Friendly reminder the BRP extended 5 year warranty and free rigging promotion expires on 31 March.
jimh posted 03-26-2013 04:48 PM ET (US)
The E-TEC rigging credit promotion is an excellent value for a customer. E-TEC is number one in sales for re-powering, according to all I have read. I think these strong rigging credit incentives must be helping E-TEC gain marketshare.

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Author	Topic: E-TEC Price in New England
roverguy	posted 03-25-2013 09:46 AM ET (US) [I am] ready to [buy] a new 90 E-TEC for my 1978 Montauk. Pricing seems pretty close around here. Getting in on the free rigging offer, going with the Tach-system check. Motor pricing in Massachusetts by me is $8,315. Install estimate $1,000 to $1,500 depending on need for new helm, cables, battery, etc. Has anyone found a better [price] on the motor? Long time trusted shop one mile from my house and mooring, so comfortable he will only charge me for what is needed. Thanks
jimh	posted 03-25-2013 12:15 PM ET (US) My impression of any engine purchase in which someone reveals their cost for public comment: --there will be at least one person, if not ten people, who will tell you that the price is too high, and they could have gotten the same deal for much less, usually $5,000-less; --there is at least one person, if not ten people, who will criticize your choice of engine, accessories, and decision on who will install the engine, and how it will be installed; --there is no reasonable standard for the services provided by a dealer in what is generally described as "installation" or "rigging" and it is very hard to compare one dealer to another on that basis; some will include everything possible, including test rides, propeller testing, after-sale support and training, and so on, while others will provide almost nothing. These situations are then compared as completely equal outcomes and price is used as the only measure. As a result, if you like the dealer, if you like the engine, and you like the deal, then be happy. If you want to get other prices, call a few dealers or a super-store run by someone who says he is your uncle, and get more prices. There are also regional variations, seasonal variations, and manufacturer incentive variations that affect price. I think outboards are like seats on an airplane: no two are sold at the same price.
GrandCayman	posted 03-25-2013 07:53 PM ET (US) [Offered no advice on the topic, but instead changed the topic to begin a discussion of the participants.]
swist	posted 03-26-2013 07:58 AM ET (US) You are also in New England (as am I) - a relatively well-off area with a relatively short boating season. What do you think that does to the prices of marine goods and services? Another factor making comparisons difficult. And despite the global marketplace on many things, you can't just jump on Amazon.com and pick up an outboard AND installation with a few clicks.
quahog03	posted 03-26-2013 08:16 AM ET (US) One factor to consider, how many years is the power head warranty.
jimh	posted 03-26-2013 08:42 AM ET (US) I don't think you will find that the manufacturer's warranty duration changes with dealers. However, you will find that the relationship of your dealer with the manufacturer can affect the sort of remedies you may be offered under the warranty. If you purchase an outboard engine from a dealer who has a long relationship with a manufacturer, the dealer employs factory-trained and fully certified technicians, and the dealer has a strong reputation with the manufacturer, the manufacturer may be more inclined to favorably view a claim for a remedy under the warranty made by that dealer as compared to some other seller of the engine where the seller is no longer an authorized dealer, does not have any sort of repair facility, does not employ factory trained technicians, and is not considered by the manufacturer to be a knowledgeable, trusted, and long-time partner with the manufacturer. In this regard, I think there are some tangible benefits to buying from certain dealers that may not be reflected in the price comparison.
Hilinercc	posted 03-26-2013 08:51 AM ET (US) It beem my experience that its very difficult to get just a "ball park' figure on a new E-Tec online. I've seen some internet posts that puts a 200 H.O. around 18K (!), but I'm not taking too much stock in that. I'm interested in a 200 H.O. or 225 Saltwater to replace my OceanPro down the road, but I as I understand it, Dealer prices can vary widely, much like anything else. I wish there was a place one could get some baseline pricing, but I surely haven't found it.
jimh	posted 03-26-2013 09:17 AM ET (US) For several years my local dealer, LOCKEMAN'S BOAT and HARDWARE, had a complete listing of all E-TEC MSRP prices on-line at their website. But the listing was rather long and complicated, and I think it became too much of a chore to maintain the listing every year with accurate prices, and they stopped listing those prices. I don't think they stopped the listing because they decided to conceal the information, but just because it was too tedious to maintain it for them in the system they have of publishing their website. They also used to quote their price for the engine, with their normal services of installation, rigging, and delivery, which were very comprehensive services. With regard to the MSRP of Evinrude outboard engines, it is my observation that the MSRP is probably higher than may be found on competitors' engines, but the dealers typically offer substantial discount. I do not know the precise reason for the prices chosen, but I can speculate that perhaps the prices are set comparatively high to allow the dealer to have a wider range of selling prices. The dealer is free to offer the products for sale at any prices, from what I understand, and, as we see, some dealers like to sell low and produce a higher volume of outboard engine sales. By the way, I think outboard engine sales are turning up and becoming stronger. I recently visited my local dealer, and his showroom floor was crowded with new E-TEC engines, so crowded that it was difficult to walk around in that part of the store. There were new 2013 E-TEC engines is 300-HP, 250-HP, 150-HP, 115-HP, 90-HP, and in some cases multiple engines. I said to the dealer, "Wow, you must be optimistic about outboard sales this Spring." He said to me, "These are all already sold."
Mambo Minnow	posted 03-26-2013 11:30 AM ET (US) Friendly reminder the BRP extended 5 year warranty and free rigging promotion expires on 31 March.
jimh	posted 03-26-2013 04:48 PM ET (US) The E-TEC rigging credit promotion is an excellent value for a customer. E-TEC is number one in sales for re-powering, according to all I have read. I think these strong rigging credit incentives must be helping E-TEC gain marketshare.