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L H G posted 05-20-2013 05:57 PM ET (US)
For a change of pace, I thought this might be of interest.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2326138/ The-stealth-drone-boat-set-hunt-pirates-undercover-world. html#ixzz2TqB5FDnS
george nagy posted 05-20-2013 09:59 PM ET (US)
It looks like that is built from an ocean master hull. I wonder how dangerous it will be to have boats that don't show up on radar, can you imagine the risk to other vessels in the area?
jimh posted 05-20-2013 11:48 PM ET (US)
I kinda like the lines on that boat!
EJO posted 05-21-2013 02:36 PM ET (US)
I wouldn't worry about it as the operator can see you so via camera and or radar/sonar. I don't think there is any danger to you unless you don't show up on radar either and the whaler is camouflaged for duck hunting.
jimh posted 05-22-2013 02:09 AM ET (US)
Not showing up on RADAR is of no concern to me because I don't have RADAR on my boat. It won't be of any concern to the hundred of thousands of other boaters who don't have RADAR on their boats.
Jamesgt727 posted 06-01-2013 05:54 PM ET (US)
When I first saw it, I thought is was a shortened Hargrave Open. They were the only company I knew of that made boats that small out of metal. With a displacement of under 30,000 I would doubt a freighter or tanker would even notice a collision. It's really cool, especially if its armed.
contender posted 06-01-2013 08:23 PM ET (US)
Good looking boat.
EaglesPDX posted 06-01-2013 10:57 PM ET (US)
[Begin discussion of the military usefulness of the boat. I don't think a discussion of the military usefulness of the boat is particularly appropriate. You probably need to find a website where military tactics and weapons are the main topic if you want to pursue a discussion of this boat on that basis.--jimh]
jimh posted 06-02-2013 10:00 AM ET (US)
Most small fiberglass boats are already rather stealthy in terms of having a low radar cross-section. This is a commonly known fact. The sale of devices called RADAR Reflectors is a manifestation of the concern that most small fiberglass boats already have a low RADAR cross-section.
Most small boats are not equipped with any RADAR, so one might say, that on that basis, all other boats are invisible to them by RADAR and hence all boats are stealthy for those boats without RADAR.
Having exhausted those topics, I think the only topics left are the aesthetics of the design and the ability to be operated entirely by remote control.
Electronic operation of the engine speed and gear is nothing particularly new. Electronic operation of the rudder is also nothing particularly new. Using a radio link to control the engine and rudder is unusual, but only in a boat of this size. Such control is done all the time in model boats.
The aesthetics are pleasing to me, but I am probably influenced by the angular design of the Lockheed F117 Nighthawk stealth airplane. The faceted and angular design of that airplane has lent a certain design flair to many other products where flat, angular panels were used not for creating a low RADAR cross-section but rather as just an aesthetic design element.
contender posted 06-02-2013 11:14 AM ET (US)
[More discussion on the military use of these boats. Please take that to a military discussion website. Thank you.]
jimh posted 06-02-2013 12:13 PM ET (US)
There has been a certain influence of the flat and angular design of the initial stealth airplane, the F117, onto other objects. I think you can see some of the influence in the design of Steve Job's boat, see in
http://www.google.com/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=steve+jobs+boat& oe=UTF-8&hl=en&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ei=GG6rUYLsMMKQrQHuzoDoCg& ved=0CBgQsAQ
Jobs was noted for having a sophisticated sense of design and good taste, and his yacht design is likely to be considered to be aesthetically pleasant. It certain shows many flat surfaces.

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Author	Topic: Stealth Drone Boats
L H G	posted 05-20-2013 05:57 PM ET (US) For a change of pace, I thought this might be of interest. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2326138/ The-stealth-drone-boat-set-hunt-pirates-undercover-world. html#ixzz2TqB5FDnS
george nagy	posted 05-20-2013 09:59 PM ET (US) It looks like that is built from an ocean master hull. I wonder how dangerous it will be to have boats that don't show up on radar, can you imagine the risk to other vessels in the area?
jimh	posted 05-20-2013 11:48 PM ET (US) I kinda like the lines on that boat!
EJO	posted 05-21-2013 02:36 PM ET (US) I wouldn't worry about it as the operator can see you so via camera and or radar/sonar. I don't think there is any danger to you unless you don't show up on radar either and the whaler is camouflaged for duck hunting.
jimh	posted 05-22-2013 02:09 AM ET (US) Not showing up on RADAR is of no concern to me because I don't have RADAR on my boat. It won't be of any concern to the hundred of thousands of other boaters who don't have RADAR on their boats.
Jamesgt727	posted 06-01-2013 05:54 PM ET (US) When I first saw it, I thought is was a shortened Hargrave Open. They were the only company I knew of that made boats that small out of metal. With a displacement of under 30,000 I would doubt a freighter or tanker would even notice a collision. It's really cool, especially if its armed.
contender	posted 06-01-2013 08:23 PM ET (US) Good looking boat.
EaglesPDX	posted 06-01-2013 10:57 PM ET (US) [Begin discussion of the military usefulness of the boat. I don't think a discussion of the military usefulness of the boat is particularly appropriate. You probably need to find a website where military tactics and weapons are the main topic if you want to pursue a discussion of this boat on that basis.--jimh]
jimh	posted 06-02-2013 10:00 AM ET (US) Most small fiberglass boats are already rather stealthy in terms of having a low radar cross-section. This is a commonly known fact. The sale of devices called RADAR Reflectors is a manifestation of the concern that most small fiberglass boats already have a low RADAR cross-section. Most small boats are not equipped with any RADAR, so one might say, that on that basis, all other boats are invisible to them by RADAR and hence all boats are stealthy for those boats without RADAR. Having exhausted those topics, I think the only topics left are the aesthetics of the design and the ability to be operated entirely by remote control. Electronic operation of the engine speed and gear is nothing particularly new. Electronic operation of the rudder is also nothing particularly new. Using a radio link to control the engine and rudder is unusual, but only in a boat of this size. Such control is done all the time in model boats. The aesthetics are pleasing to me, but I am probably influenced by the angular design of the Lockheed F117 Nighthawk stealth airplane. The faceted and angular design of that airplane has lent a certain design flair to many other products where flat, angular panels were used not for creating a low RADAR cross-section but rather as just an aesthetic design element.
contender	posted 06-02-2013 11:14 AM ET (US) [More discussion on the military use of these boats. Please take that to a military discussion website. Thank you.]
jimh	posted 06-02-2013 12:13 PM ET (US) There has been a certain influence of the flat and angular design of the initial stealth airplane, the F117, onto other objects. I think you can see some of the influence in the design of Steve Job's boat, see in http://www.google.com/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=steve+jobs+boat& oe=UTF-8&hl=en&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ei=GG6rUYLsMMKQrQHuzoDoCg& ved=0CBgQsAQ Jobs was noted for having a sophisticated sense of design and good taste, and his yacht design is likely to be considered to be aesthetically pleasant. It certain shows many flat surfaces.