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Chriscz posted 06-12-2013 02:44 AM ET (US)
Finally had the opportunity to go out and really see how my Outrage 25-Cuddy performs on some big water. Some of you have been on this boat when Royce Meyerott owned it near San Francisco. Ive had it in the Seattle area for several years now.
I've been out fairly extensively on Puget Sound with it, and have been having a great time fishing, crabbing, shrimping, diving etc. The boat has been great in all conditions, even when it's been snotty out. Puget sound can get nasty. I formerly had a Montauk-17 which I loved intensely. But the two boats are far from from each other in so many ways (+&-). One of the obvious differences is the size and weight and how it handles seas.
This week I've been down in Grays Harbor, WA doing some dives. The fishing season for Salmon also just opened this weekend here (not until next month in Puget Sound). We are staying in Westport, WA, which sits at the mouth of Grays Harbor. Westport has a great marina and active commercial and recreational fishing fleet, salty for sure.
On Monday we headed out at 6:30 to try our luck for some Chinook along the Pacific coast. Then we planned to head back into Grays Harbor estuary to do our dives during slack tide since tidal currents are significant in many parts of the estuary, reaching over 3 knots during peak ebbs. Well since we wanted to be back for slack tide, guess what it was when we needed to head out. Yes..... it was a good ebb tide for sure, with more than 220,000 cubic feet of water leaving the bay through the entrance channel, the wind waves at 5.8 feet, and the swells around 6-10 feet (those numbers are from NOAA buoy data, so you can imagine what the ebb currents did to the conditions). Anyway going across the bar was intense, but ultimately fine. The ebbing tide sure stacked up some really big waves, glad to be in a Whaler which performed beautifully.
We also managed to snag a commercial crab pot with a downrigger (I was not at the helm). We took a good bit of water over the stern while getting it free. All I kept thinking about was Dave Sutten's stories of his swamped and turtling Montauk, so we got the downrigger free, cut the fishing line (which was also hooked), and motored ahead to get water to flow out the back.
Since that morning, we've been out across the bar 4 more times and each time was more typical with rollers and wind chop. Also haven't snagged any more crab pots, even though they seem to act like magnets when my friend Paul is at the helm.
The dives have been going well and today we landed a 12.5 lbs Chinook, what a beauty.
Gotta love having a Whaler!

kwik_wurk posted 06-12-2013 06:03 PM ET (US)
Big tides this week that is the main driver for the bar. I hope to head out Sat, may even take the Montauk.
How are the fishing reports, I heard/read kinda slow, but I suspect the tides and weather at play.
And always carry extra downrigger balls when commercial crabbing is open. I have never hooked up on a commercial pot, but I have dacron line for the reason of a quick knife cut.
DeeVee posted 06-12-2013 11:30 PM ET (US)
We had planned to go out last Saturday, but decided to bag it due to the weather and the big ebb. I read on my fishing website that the Coast Guard did not allow any boats out of the harbor until 8:00 AM that morning, and then, only to boats over 20'.
The 4 Whalers that I have crossed the Grays Harbor bar in all performed to a high level in the sloppy stuff. My old Sakonnet, my brother in laws old Montauk, my current Outrage 22 and my brother in law's current Outrage 25, instilled confidence, outbound and inbound. The 17's were definitely harder on your body, but I never once felt I was in an unsafe condition while in them.
Apparently the fishing was not much to write about either last Saturday either. Unfortunately I won't be fishing next week, as we have a family reunion to attend. The next time I will have a chance to fish probably won't be until nearly the end of the month.
Concerning the crab pots, they certainly do sneak up on you. Especially if its rough. They are very difficult to manuever away from once you are too close to them. I lost a downrigger weight last June, but probably could have lost one or two more.
I hope to see you guys out sometime.
Doug Vazquez
Dave Sutton posted 06-13-2013 08:21 AM ET (US)
Glad to hear how the 25 is working, hopefully I'll be joining in the fun soon (finally got the 25 Frontier home after a long trailering-fiasco). How is your 25 powered? Looking at mine (Volvo Penta powered), the well under the I/O engine seems like a vulnerable spot when you are taking water over the transom... Good bilge pumps are essential items, it would seem.

Dave
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Tom W Clark posted 06-13-2013 09:43 AM ET (US)

quote:
Good bilge pumps are essential items, it would seem.
No, not really. I run my 25 with the drain plugs out most of the time.
Chriscz posted 06-14-2013 09:58 AM ET (US)
We finished the last of our dives in Grays Harbor Wednesday morning during slack tide (9:45 am). The dives went okay, but . We decided to head out for a last try at some Chinook. Got out to the fishing spot (heading north just off the casino) and had lines in the water at around 12:30 pm. We landed a nice 8.5 pounder, but listening to the chatter on the radio it sounded like it had been slow all morning. We did get anything else in the two hours we were out there. We made the run back to Westport pulled the boat and drove back to Seattle. All in all a great trip.
Kwik - the fishing was slow, but there were fish. We caught ours in 50-70 feet of water with the downrigger at 40 for one and 60 for the other, so fairly close to the bottom. Some folks were complaining about the jellies, which also may have contributed to the slower fishing. Hope you get out and have some good luck.
Dave - I have twin Mercury 150s, which gave me some piece of mind knowing I had a nice sized backup engine should one fail. One of the engines alone can get the boat on a plane. Enjoy your new 25, the extra space and even how smoothly it cuts through chop is a pleasure.
Here's two videos of the run back to Westport on Wednesday, much calmer day than Monday, you can barely see the waves in the video, but its was still a little lumpy.
http://youtu.be/iw4qXHvhUvU
http://youtu.be/txvWI-aC55Y
Dave Sutton posted 06-14-2013 10:10 PM ET (US)
"No, not really. I run my 25 with the drain plugs out most of the time"

With an I/O engine?
Uhh... I'd like to see that. Meaning the main keel drain, not the *six* other plugs.

Dave

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Author	Topic: Ebb tide
Chriscz	posted 06-12-2013 02:44 AM ET (US) Finally had the opportunity to go out and really see how my Outrage 25-Cuddy performs on some big water. Some of you have been on this boat when Royce Meyerott owned it near San Francisco. Ive had it in the Seattle area for several years now. I've been out fairly extensively on Puget Sound with it, and have been having a great time fishing, crabbing, shrimping, diving etc. The boat has been great in all conditions, even when it's been snotty out. Puget sound can get nasty. I formerly had a Montauk-17 which I loved intensely. But the two boats are far from from each other in so many ways (+&-). One of the obvious differences is the size and weight and how it handles seas. This week I've been down in Grays Harbor, WA doing some dives. The fishing season for Salmon also just opened this weekend here (not until next month in Puget Sound). We are staying in Westport, WA, which sits at the mouth of Grays Harbor. Westport has a great marina and active commercial and recreational fishing fleet, salty for sure. On Monday we headed out at 6:30 to try our luck for some Chinook along the Pacific coast. Then we planned to head back into Grays Harbor estuary to do our dives during slack tide since tidal currents are significant in many parts of the estuary, reaching over 3 knots during peak ebbs. Well since we wanted to be back for slack tide, guess what it was when we needed to head out. Yes..... it was a good ebb tide for sure, with more than 220,000 cubic feet of water leaving the bay through the entrance channel, the wind waves at 5.8 feet, and the swells around 6-10 feet (those numbers are from NOAA buoy data, so you can imagine what the ebb currents did to the conditions). Anyway going across the bar was intense, but ultimately fine. The ebbing tide sure stacked up some really big waves, glad to be in a Whaler which performed beautifully. We also managed to snag a commercial crab pot with a downrigger (I was not at the helm). We took a good bit of water over the stern while getting it free. All I kept thinking about was Dave Sutten's stories of his swamped and turtling Montauk, so we got the downrigger free, cut the fishing line (which was also hooked), and motored ahead to get water to flow out the back. Since that morning, we've been out across the bar 4 more times and each time was more typical with rollers and wind chop. Also haven't snagged any more crab pots, even though they seem to act like magnets when my friend Paul is at the helm. The dives have been going well and today we landed a 12.5 lbs Chinook, what a beauty. Gotta love having a Whaler!
kwik_wurk	posted 06-12-2013 06:03 PM ET (US) Big tides this week that is the main driver for the bar. I hope to head out Sat, may even take the Montauk. How are the fishing reports, I heard/read kinda slow, but I suspect the tides and weather at play. And always carry extra downrigger balls when commercial crabbing is open. I have never hooked up on a commercial pot, but I have dacron line for the reason of a quick knife cut.
DeeVee	posted 06-12-2013 11:30 PM ET (US) We had planned to go out last Saturday, but decided to bag it due to the weather and the big ebb. I read on my fishing website that the Coast Guard did not allow any boats out of the harbor until 8:00 AM that morning, and then, only to boats over 20'. The 4 Whalers that I have crossed the Grays Harbor bar in all performed to a high level in the sloppy stuff. My old Sakonnet, my brother in laws old Montauk, my current Outrage 22 and my brother in law's current Outrage 25, instilled confidence, outbound and inbound. The 17's were definitely harder on your body, but I never once felt I was in an unsafe condition while in them. Apparently the fishing was not much to write about either last Saturday either. Unfortunately I won't be fishing next week, as we have a family reunion to attend. The next time I will have a chance to fish probably won't be until nearly the end of the month. Concerning the crab pots, they certainly do sneak up on you. Especially if its rough. They are very difficult to manuever away from once you are too close to them. I lost a downrigger weight last June, but probably could have lost one or two more. I hope to see you guys out sometime. Doug Vazquez
Dave Sutton	posted 06-13-2013 08:21 AM ET (US) Glad to hear how the 25 is working, hopefully I'll be joining in the fun soon (finally got the 25 Frontier home after a long trailering-fiasco). How is your 25 powered? Looking at mine (Volvo Penta powered), the well under the I/O engine seems like a vulnerable spot when you are taking water over the transom... Good bilge pumps are essential items, it would seem. Dave .
Tom W Clark	posted 06-13-2013 09:43 AM ET (US) quote: Good bilge pumps are essential items, it would seem. No, not really. I run my 25 with the drain plugs out most of the time.
Chriscz	posted 06-14-2013 09:58 AM ET (US) We finished the last of our dives in Grays Harbor Wednesday morning during slack tide (9:45 am). The dives went okay, but . We decided to head out for a last try at some Chinook. Got out to the fishing spot (heading north just off the casino) and had lines in the water at around 12:30 pm. We landed a nice 8.5 pounder, but listening to the chatter on the radio it sounded like it had been slow all morning. We did get anything else in the two hours we were out there. We made the run back to Westport pulled the boat and drove back to Seattle. All in all a great trip. Kwik - the fishing was slow, but there were fish. We caught ours in 50-70 feet of water with the downrigger at 40 for one and 60 for the other, so fairly close to the bottom. Some folks were complaining about the jellies, which also may have contributed to the slower fishing. Hope you get out and have some good luck. Dave - I have twin Mercury 150s, which gave me some piece of mind knowing I had a nice sized backup engine should one fail. One of the engines alone can get the boat on a plane. Enjoy your new 25, the extra space and even how smoothly it cuts through chop is a pleasure. Here's two videos of the run back to Westport on Wednesday, much calmer day than Monday, you can barely see the waves in the video, but its was still a little lumpy. http://youtu.be/iw4qXHvhUvU http://youtu.be/txvWI-aC55Y
Dave Sutton	posted 06-14-2013 10:10 PM ET (US) "No, not really. I run my 25 with the drain plugs out most of the time" With an I/O engine? Uhh... I'd like to see that. Meaning the main keel drain, not the six other plugs. Dave .