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jimh posted 07-02-2013 09:46 AM ET (US)
With all VERADO engines failing to make the Three-Star or Ultra-Low Emission rating, are they legal to sell in Canada or Europe?
Jefecinco posted 07-02-2013 10:21 AM ET (US)
I don't know. A couple of VerdoClub members in Norway have Verados. At least one of them purchased his boat/engine within the last 12 months.
I don't know this for a fact but have surmised it from reading threads on VeradoClub.
Butch
Ridge Runner posted 07-02-2013 02:59 PM ET (US)
It seem they are in Canada. There are 26 Mercury Authorized 26 Verado Qualified dealers within 100 miles of Vancouver Canada listed on the Mercury website. A quick call to a few of those dealers confirmed they are in fact are selling Verado outboards.
The CANADIAN ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION ACT, 1999 - Vol. 145, No. 4 — February 16, 2011 "Marine Spark-Ignition Engine, Vessel and Off-Road Recreational Vehicle Emission Regulations" is a interesting read.
The document out-lines annual Canadian outboard sales of 50,000 per year. They also list the useful life of an outboard at 10 years and 350 hours.
It provides an interesting "Cost-benefit statement: Given the integrated nature of the North American marine engines, vessels and off-road recreational vehicles markets and the expectation that Canada will continue to match U.S. standards, there is already a large degree of penetration of EPA compliant engines, vessels and vehicles in Canada. Under the business-as-usual scenario, it is assumed that all marine engines and vessels imported into Canada will continue to be compliant with existing U.S. EPA standards, while just a small percentage of the imported recreational vehicles will not comply with existing U.S. EPA standards. The regulated scenario assumes 100% compliance of marine engines, vessels and off-road recreational vehicles with the Regulations."
"Domestic and international trade and cooperation: The Regulations establish Canadian emissions standards aligned with the requirements of the U.S. EPA in accordance with the Canadian commitment under the Ozone Annex to the 1991 Canada-United States Air Quality Agreement."
You can find archived copies of the Canadian regulations on the Canada Gazette.
http://canadagazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2011/2011-02-16/html/sor-dors10-eng. html
L H G posted 07-02-2013 03:14 PM ET (US)
Are the E-TEC 250 H.O. and 300 HP legal to sell in Canada or Europe?
jimh posted 07-02-2013 08:31 PM ET (US)
Ridge Runner--Thanks for trying to answer my question.
In Europe, it looks like the requirements of recreational craft are given in
http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/maritime/documents/ recreational-craft/
From that document:

quote:
The key element of European legislation on recreational craft is Directive 94/25/EC (consolidated version) , which classifies recreational craft and lays down safety requirements for their design and construction, as well as environment requirements regarding their exhaust and noise emissions.
Now to dig into the Directive to find the applicable regulations regarding emissions. It looks to me like the emission limits are given on page 24:

quote:
EXHAUST EMISSION REQUIREMENTS
Propulsion engines shall be designed, constructed and assembled so that when correctly installed and in normal use, emissions shall not exceed the limit values obtained from the following table:
[TABLE 1]
TABLE 1 specifies values for hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide. Sorry, but I will need some help to figure out the limits and how they compare to EPA values.
It is also interesting to note that the engine must meet the emission limits for 350-hours or ten years, whichever occurs first. (Sounds like Europeans don't use their outboard engines very much each year.)
There is also the obvious question: are these emission levels more stringent than EPA or less stringent than EPA?
jimh posted 07-02-2013 09:05 PM ET (US)
Here is a Mercury document
http://www.mercury-marine.eu/cache/Documents/Mercury/Verado%20225/0/ en-GB/DocumentFull.pdf
that gives information on emission qualification of VERADO engines sold in Europe. Apparently the engines are re-tuned to meet the European directives. See pages iii and iv.
jimh posted 07-02-2013 09:16 PM ET (US)
Here is a document from Canada
http://www.ec.gc.ca/lcpe-cepa/default.asp?lang=En&n=6E6C222F-1&offset=5& toc=show
that covers emission standards for outboard engines. It offers three or four ways to qualify:

quote:
6.1 What are the options for conformity with the emission standards?
As specified in subsection 11(1) of the Regulations, engines, vessels and vehicles are required to conform to the standards, through one of the following options:
paragraph 11(1)(a) - conforming directly to the applicable standard;
paragraph 11(1)(b) - for engines and vehicles that are sold concurrently in Canada and the United States and that are covered by an EPA certificate of conformity, conforming to the standards or family emission limits (FELs) of that certificate;
paragraph 11(1)(c) - for vessels and outboards that are sold concurrently in Canada and the United States and that contain fuel lines or fuel tanks that are covered by one or more EPA certificates, conforming, in respect of those fuel lines and fuel tanks, to the standards or FELs referred to in those EPA certificates; or
paragraph 11(1)(d) - for engines and vehicles, conforming to a FEL in lieu of the standard and conforming on the basis of fleet averaging. The optional fleet averaging regime is only available for certain types of emissions and classes of engines and vehicles (see section 7.2 of this document for emission types and classes for which fleet averaging is available).
It looks like Canada allows family emission limit (FEL) fleet averaging, just like EPA, or what we often refer to as emission credits. Apparently if the an engine qualifies in the USA under FEL fleet average, then it is eligible for sale in Canada. That would let the VERADO cross the border, apparently, as long as the fleet average props up these non-compliant engines.
jimh posted 07-02-2013 09:17 PM ET (US)
Oops--I forgot the link to the European Directive. Here it is:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ. do?uri=CONSLEG:1994L0025:LATEST:EN:PDF
See the emission formula on page 24
jimh posted 07-03-2013 09:22 AM ET (US)
The E-TEC is covered by the same regulations as the VERADO.
[Deleted sidebar on whether or not in the future the emission rating of the VERADO could be improved to Three-Star. Deleted sidebar on the degree to which boaters have interest in the emission rating of engines. Deleted sidebar on the degree to which the United States Coast Guard has interest in the emission rating of engines. Perhaps we can remain on the topic, the emission regulations of Canada and Europe, and how they affect sale of the VERADO, a Two-Star rated engine. Thank you.]

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Author	Topic: Are VERADO Engines Legal in Canada or Europe?
jimh	posted 07-02-2013 09:46 AM ET (US) With all VERADO engines failing to make the Three-Star or Ultra-Low Emission rating, are they legal to sell in Canada or Europe?
Jefecinco	posted 07-02-2013 10:21 AM ET (US) I don't know. A couple of VerdoClub members in Norway have Verados. At least one of them purchased his boat/engine within the last 12 months. I don't know this for a fact but have surmised it from reading threads on VeradoClub. Butch
Ridge Runner	posted 07-02-2013 02:59 PM ET (US) It seem they are in Canada. There are 26 Mercury Authorized 26 Verado Qualified dealers within 100 miles of Vancouver Canada listed on the Mercury website. A quick call to a few of those dealers confirmed they are in fact are selling Verado outboards. The CANADIAN ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION ACT, 1999 - Vol. 145, No. 4 — February 16, 2011 "Marine Spark-Ignition Engine, Vessel and Off-Road Recreational Vehicle Emission Regulations" is a interesting read. The document out-lines annual Canadian outboard sales of 50,000 per year. They also list the useful life of an outboard at 10 years and 350 hours. It provides an interesting "Cost-benefit statement: Given the integrated nature of the North American marine engines, vessels and off-road recreational vehicles markets and the expectation that Canada will continue to match U.S. standards, there is already a large degree of penetration of EPA compliant engines, vessels and vehicles in Canada. Under the business-as-usual scenario, it is assumed that all marine engines and vessels imported into Canada will continue to be compliant with existing U.S. EPA standards, while just a small percentage of the imported recreational vehicles will not comply with existing U.S. EPA standards. The regulated scenario assumes 100% compliance of marine engines, vessels and off-road recreational vehicles with the Regulations." "Domestic and international trade and cooperation: The Regulations establish Canadian emissions standards aligned with the requirements of the U.S. EPA in accordance with the Canadian commitment under the Ozone Annex to the 1991 Canada-United States Air Quality Agreement." You can find archived copies of the Canadian regulations on the Canada Gazette. http://canadagazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2011/2011-02-16/html/sor-dors10-eng. html
L H G	posted 07-02-2013 03:14 PM ET (US) Are the E-TEC 250 H.O. and 300 HP legal to sell in Canada or Europe?
jimh	posted 07-02-2013 08:31 PM ET (US) Ridge Runner--Thanks for trying to answer my question. In Europe, it looks like the requirements of recreational craft are given in http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/maritime/documents/ recreational-craft/ From that document: quote: The key element of European legislation on recreational craft is Directive 94/25/EC (consolidated version) , which classifies recreational craft and lays down safety requirements for their design and construction, as well as environment requirements regarding their exhaust and noise emissions. Now to dig into the Directive to find the applicable regulations regarding emissions. It looks to me like the emission limits are given on page 24: quote: EXHAUST EMISSION REQUIREMENTS Propulsion engines shall be designed, constructed and assembled so that when correctly installed and in normal use, emissions shall not exceed the limit values obtained from the following table: [TABLE 1] TABLE 1 specifies values for hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide. Sorry, but I will need some help to figure out the limits and how they compare to EPA values. It is also interesting to note that the engine must meet the emission limits for 350-hours or ten years, whichever occurs first. (Sounds like Europeans don't use their outboard engines very much each year.) There is also the obvious question: are these emission levels more stringent than EPA or less stringent than EPA?
jimh	posted 07-02-2013 09:05 PM ET (US) Here is a Mercury document http://www.mercury-marine.eu/cache/Documents/Mercury/Verado%20225/0/ en-GB/DocumentFull.pdf that gives information on emission qualification of VERADO engines sold in Europe. Apparently the engines are re-tuned to meet the European directives. See pages iii and iv.
jimh	posted 07-02-2013 09:16 PM ET (US) Here is a document from Canada http://www.ec.gc.ca/lcpe-cepa/default.asp?lang=En&n=6E6C222F-1&offset=5& toc=show that covers emission standards for outboard engines. It offers three or four ways to qualify: quote: 6.1 What are the options for conformity with the emission standards? As specified in subsection 11(1) of the Regulations, engines, vessels and vehicles are required to conform to the standards, through one of the following options: paragraph 11(1)(a) - conforming directly to the applicable standard; paragraph 11(1)(b) - for engines and vehicles that are sold concurrently in Canada and the United States and that are covered by an EPA certificate of conformity, conforming to the standards or family emission limits (FELs) of that certificate; paragraph 11(1)(c) - for vessels and outboards that are sold concurrently in Canada and the United States and that contain fuel lines or fuel tanks that are covered by one or more EPA certificates, conforming, in respect of those fuel lines and fuel tanks, to the standards or FELs referred to in those EPA certificates; or paragraph 11(1)(d) - for engines and vehicles, conforming to a FEL in lieu of the standard and conforming on the basis of fleet averaging. The optional fleet averaging regime is only available for certain types of emissions and classes of engines and vehicles (see section 7.2 of this document for emission types and classes for which fleet averaging is available). It looks like Canada allows family emission limit (FEL) fleet averaging, just like EPA, or what we often refer to as emission credits. Apparently if the an engine qualifies in the USA under FEL fleet average, then it is eligible for sale in Canada. That would let the VERADO cross the border, apparently, as long as the fleet average props up these non-compliant engines.
jimh	posted 07-02-2013 09:17 PM ET (US) Oops--I forgot the link to the European Directive. Here it is: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ. do?uri=CONSLEG:1994L0025:LATEST:EN:PDF See the emission formula on page 24
jimh	posted 07-03-2013 09:22 AM ET (US) The E-TEC is covered by the same regulations as the VERADO. [Deleted sidebar on whether or not in the future the emission rating of the VERADO could be improved to Three-Star. Deleted sidebar on the degree to which boaters have interest in the emission rating of engines. Deleted sidebar on the degree to which the United States Coast Guard has interest in the emission rating of engines. Perhaps we can remain on the topic, the emission regulations of Canada and Europe, and how they affect sale of the VERADO, a Two-Star rated engine. Thank you.]