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Outraged767 posted 01-03-2008 01:53 PM ET (US)   Profile for Outraged767   Send Email to Outraged767  
Did you folks see this? I thought it was a nice price for this boat. Thoughts?

ebay number 190185920485

Tohsgib posted 01-03-2008 02:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Yeah I watched that thinking $7500 with no reserve might give an interesting idea of the soft market in the winter....guess not, market is still strong.
Yiddil posted 01-03-2008 03:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
So much for the soft market huh:) An 18 year old Whaler too! I don't think my listing here is all that bad:)

But then again, you have to have just one buyer...and their is always one who wants what you have:)

hardensheetmetal posted 01-03-2008 04:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
Henry-

I have to agree and back up your comment about finding one buyer. I just went to contract with my current boat that I have had on the market for over a year and a half.


Just after I had put the boat to bed for the year, my broker received a call from a fellow who had looked at the boat about 4-5 months ago. Very unexpected, but as said, there is someone out there looking for just what you are selling.

Recognizing the condition of today's market, one has to be flexible and somewhat creative in selling a boat.


Dan

Dan posted 01-03-2008 05:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dan  Send Email to Dan     
This auction proves nothing except for the fact that once in a while a seller can get really really really lucky.

Let's see if the buyer comes through with the money.

friend99 posted 01-03-2008 06:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Don't kid yourself, the boat market is very soft, but what this auction proves, is the same thing that was proved when my 17' Outrage II sold so quickly at a fair price. That is, the market for certain classic whalers that are not manufactured anymore is NOT soft. In fact, the market is strong if that classic whaler is in above average to pristine condition. The reason....nice ones are extremely hard to find and you can't go down to a BW dealer and buy a similiar one because they are not made anymore. Therefore, when one comes up for sale (especially a very nice one) you are buying from an inventory that is constantly decreasing. To say the seller is really lucky to have sold is ridiculous. Examples of BW boats I put in this category are the classic Outrage 18/19, Outrage II and the 15' Dauntless.

By the way, I just picked up an extremely nice 15' Dauntless that may be up for sale in the spring if I do not sell it to a couple people that I have in mind. You don't have to look for my "For Sale" ad in the spring, anyone who is interested or just loves whalers is welcome to come see it before then.

MBW posted 01-03-2008 07:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for MBW  Send Email to MBW     
Friend: Can you post a picture of your 15 Dauntless? I'd like to take a look at it. Thanks
Mambo Minnow posted 01-03-2008 07:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Mambo Minnow  Send Email to Mambo Minnow     
I have to agree...I had no problem selling my pristine Dauntless 15 two years ago. Actually received $500 more than I initially asked. Buyer looked at Montauk 150 and thought my boat was a steal at half the price of the newer model.
Dan posted 01-03-2008 08:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dan  Send Email to Dan     
Yo Friend, do you ever actually buy a Whaler to own? When you buy Whalers cheap do you tell the sellers the market is soft and you can only offer blah? Clearly you can't play both sides of this issue. You can't on the one hand buy cheap and then sell high while at the same time claiming the boat you bought cheap is worth top dollar.
Dan posted 01-03-2008 08:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dan  Send Email to Dan     
Look, this is the same exact boat listed on craigslist at the beginning of December: http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/boa/501742682.html for $11,500 -- so even the owner know he hit the lottery at over 15K. Case closed! : )
superdave_gv posted 01-03-2008 10:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for superdave_gv  Send Email to superdave_gv     

Dan that was a great flip before/after-- thanks for sharing. Forgetting the other stuff, that is an example of an honest flip opportunity.
Yiddil posted 01-03-2008 10:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Dan,

Voos machs dee? remember goonish mit goonish = goonish:)

friend99 posted 01-03-2008 11:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
MBW.........I am picking up the boat next week on my way back to NJ. I will e-mail you pictures when I get back.

Mambo........there is always a good market for a nice condition Dauntless 15 boat and I'm happy you received a price you were very happy with. I would definitely rather own a 15' Dauntless than the 15' Montauk. Better hull, better ride, better boat, IMO.

Dan.......I have not bought a Whaler to own for a while. My last owned Whaler was a 18' Dauntless (which I liked). Since then I owned a 21' Parker which I did not like (very overrated and overpriced boat IMO). I currently own a 21' Everglades (v-hull) which I love.

Dan posted 01-04-2008 09:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dan  Send Email to Dan     
Okay Friend, I think I get it now. Let's review. A) You're a member of this Whaler fan site, but you don't own a Whaler and have no intention of owning one -- unless it's for the few weeks it takes to flip it. B) You spend your time looking for Whalers that are way underpriced -- in the process buying boats that many members of this site would like to have a chance to buy AND keep. C) When you find a cheap Whaler you immediately flip it for a profit. D) You come to this site to write posts about how great the Whaler market is and how any Whaler you sell is the best in the land -- even though you're not willing to pay the same prices you charge and claim are so reasonable.
friend99 posted 01-04-2008 11:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Dan,

Since I have some time this morning, I will waste my time responding to your conclussions:

A) I have owned many Whalers but currently the 21' Edgewater serves all my needs for the bay and light offshore. I am currently looking for a 1980's fresh water Whaler 13' Super Sport that I will keep and use on small lakes when I travel.

B) The next time I find an underpriced Whaler I will tell the seller their price is too cheap for me to buy it and they should wait to sell their boat to a person who is going to keep the boat and not flip it.

C) The next time I find a cheap Whaler, I will immediately flip it for a loss.

D) Rather than me respond to this stupid statement, why don't you go down to your local BW dealer and ask him if he is willing to buy your boat for the same price that he can sell it for.

Happy New Year Dan!

Chesapeake posted 01-09-2008 03:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chesapeake  Send Email to Chesapeake     
That was actually a pretty funny reply, Friend.
friend99 posted 01-09-2008 03:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Chesapeake.....thanks. Sometimes you just have to show the children who is boss.
ratherwhalering posted 01-09-2008 05:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for ratherwhalering  Send Email to ratherwhalering     
quote:
I currently own a 21' Everglades (v-hull) which I love.

quote:
I have owned many Whalers but currently the 21' Edgewater serves all my needs for the bay and light offshore.

Everglades or edgewater?

Dan posted 01-09-2008 06:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dan  Send Email to Dan     
Okay Boss, I mean Friend 99 -- Here's your reply to me as deciphered by my new read-between-the-lines machine that writes what your really thinking in CAPS.

"Dan,

BOSS

Since I have some time this morning, I will waste my time responding to your conclussions:

THE VIEW IS IN COMMERCIAL BREAK.

A) I have owned many Whalers but currently the 21' Edgewater serves all my needs for the bay and light offshore. I am currently looking for a 1980's fresh water Whaler 13' Super Sport that I will keep and use on small lakes when I travel.

I HAVE SOLD MANY WHALERS. I AM LOOKING FOR A 1980'S 13 WHALER FOR CHEAP THAT I WILL FLIP ASAP.

B) The next time I find an underpriced Whaler I will tell the seller their price is too cheap for me to buy it and they should wait to sell their boat to a person who is going to keep the boat and not flip it.

I KNOW THE NEXT TIME I BUY A WHALER FROM A WIDOW I SHOULD TRY NOT TO HOSE HER AS BADLY AS I USUALLY DO. I WILL ALSO STOP LETTING THE WIDOWS THINK I INTEND TO KEEP THE WHALERS I BUY FROM THEM.

C) The next time I find a cheap Whaler, I will immediately flip it for a loss.

THE NEST TIME I FIND A CHEAP WHALER I WILL IMMEDIATELY POST AN AD ON CONTINUOUS WAVE AND BE REALLY REALLY OBNOXIOUS.

D) Rather than me respond to this stupid statement, why don't you go down to your local BW dealer and ask him if he is willing to buy your boat for the same price that he can sell it for.

I CAN'T BELIEVE I JUST REFERRED TO MY OWN POST AS BEING A STUPID STATEMENT.

Happy New Year Dan!

HAPPY NEW YEAR BOSS!"

friend99 posted 01-09-2008 08:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Time to take you medication and go to bed Danny boy. Night
Dan posted 01-09-2008 08:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dan  Send Email to Dan     
I am the winner : )
friend99 posted 01-09-2008 10:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Thanks for proving my point.
Dan posted 01-10-2008 08:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dan  Send Email to Dan     
Oh no you didn't just get the last word -- Flipper puhlease!
Yiddil posted 01-12-2008 12:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
FLIPPER=LOOSER=Friend99

Check this guys posts(jim has them all saved) what a losser, he has even tryed to badmouth somethinga nd sell it in the same thread@!!!

GO AWAY! We all got your number now...dont buy sweat from this guy...its all spin!

merc125 posted 01-21-2008 11:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for merc125  Send Email to merc125     
Looks like the deal was successful, both parties left positve feedback. MartyD
friend99 posted 01-21-2008 01:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Marty......I am not surprised that the deal was successful. I think it indicates that the market for certain classic whalers that are not manufactured anymore is NOT soft. In fact, the market is strong if that classic whaler is in above average to pristine condition. The reason....nice ones are extremely hard to find and you can't go down to a BW dealer and buy a similiar one because they are not made anymore. Therefore, when one comes up for sale (especially a very nice one) you are buying from an inventory that is constantly decreasing. Examples of BW boats I put in this category are the classic Outrage 18/19, 17' Outrage II and the 15' Dauntless.

I also think that this particular boat sold for $15k because it was located in California (there are not many classic whaletrs on the West coast). In my opinion, this boat would have sold for about $12k, maybe a little more, in the Northeast.

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