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Virtual Appraisal Wanted - 02 Montauk
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posted 01-10-2008 10:15 AM ET (US)
2002 Montauk with 60 hp Mercury 4 stroke. Rails all the way around, two swim platforms, bow cushion, bimini, boat cover, trailer. Owner says boat has 50 to 100 hours total. He has owned it since new (along with 2 other boats). I'd have to travel 11 hours each way. Seller has sent pictures, but they are far from exhaustive. Asking price is $14,999; he'll take no less than $14,000. Can people throw out a price range for this boat in good to excellent condition. NADA is confusing. The boat is in the southwest and has been in freshwater only. Thanks CW'ers.
posted 01-10-2008 08:23 PM ET (US)
I'd think you would want a 90hp engine, 70hp at a minimum. 60hp seems underpowered. Perhaps you might recheck hp.
posted 01-10-2008 08:33 PM ET (US)
I just put a new 60 HP 4-stroke on my 16 hull last spring. I think its the ideal engine--light weight with plenty of power and acceleration, and only an occasional sip of gas. It depends on your use, though. I have 4 adults in my boat frequently, but we're not racing anyone. It jumps up on plane and cruises nicely. IIRC, the weight of the 60 is under 260 pounds, maybe even less. We love it, even the kids think it's plenty fast. Hell, that hull will plane with a 35, but I wouldn't go that low.
posted 01-10-2008 09:01 PM ET (US)
I just looked up the weights of the the 4 stroke Mercs; the 60 is 248#. The 75-90 engine is 386#. In my opinion, the weight/hp ratio makes the 60 the better choice. Just my .02.
Now, I did hang my 4 stroker on a 4 inch setback bracket and raised it about 1.5 inches higher than the old engine. That could explain some of the increase in hole shot and top end.
posted 01-10-2008 11:22 PM ET (US)
You're going to have to be careful with this...the 2002 Montauk is the redesigned boat, adding an additional 400#'s and the deeper V hull configuration...the 60hp is the "minimum" listed for the hull...depending upon what you'd like to use it for, ie: fishing, cruising, touring...it might be OK...but it will probably limit your resale value...I'm going to go out on a limb that if this boat hasn't been listed for long...it will be...if there's one thing people really don't like will be an underpowered boat...if he's unwilling to come down more...just give him your number and ask him, if things change, to give you a call...I'm not sure how many people from this forum powered these Montauks with those engines...I've heard many complain and say the 115's are the best engine for this setup...
posted 01-11-2008 08:37 AM ET (US)
If the 02 models are that much heavier, I would have to change my thinking. My 16 Katama is a 1974 hull, which I believe weighs 750 pounds, and it's not a V. Even loaded, it's a light package, and the 60 is as much power as I need. If I added another 400 pounds and a V hull, I think I'd be unhappy with a 60.
posted 01-11-2008 07:56 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the replies. The hull is actually the classic style that ran from 1996 to early 2002 (no expert here, but it isn't the 2003+ hull). The 60 was a factory option for that boat. I would absolutely have to repower as I typically boat from 5-8K feet elevation and I bet the boat would peak at around 25 at best at that altitude. The engine might be worth $2700 and then I could repower with a used 07 75 hp Merc 4 stroke for 5K... still barely enough power.
I am finding it impossible to buy a used whaler in Utah (current residence). All boats are in CA and NV and people send bad pics such that I can't begin to value them. Against this boards better judgement I ordered an 08 Mako 1801 customized exactly as I want it. 115hp merc 4 stroke with 5 year warranty (I wish it was a yami, but anyway) and 10 years on the hull. Wireless saltwater trolling motor and lots of other extras for $23K. The repowered Montauk would have approached $20k and a new Montauk with options approaches $30k. My primary use is fly fishing off the front deck and the Mako setup is ideal for that. I may be moving to the east coast (MA) in the next year or so, however, and might find the Mako a little small. It'll be a buyers market then, making a sell-and-buy a tough move, but I digress...
Not time for me to join the club, I guess. Great site.
posted 01-11-2008 08:51 PM ET (US)
Well, good luck with the Mako! I have a friend with a 20 Mako center console, and he loves it. Nice looking boat, too.
posted 01-13-2008 08:45 PM ET (US)
$14,000 sounds way too high for a 60hp. i paid $12,500 for an 05 with 90hp 2stroke in great shape i thought i stepped in $h*% but nada value was right on
posted 01-13-2008 09:40 PM ET (US)
Are you sure of the year? Check this link...
The new design came out in 2002...I'm not sure if there was a point in time when they had both models listed as 2002 at the same time or perhaps it was purchased in 2002 as a leftover? If it's a 2002 and a classic hull...any idea how it could be?
I could get the serial number and have one of our experts take a look...
posted 01-13-2008 09:42 PM ET (US)
Rubber ,a new member posting three times in an hour and a half and managing to be a little insulting already. Sounds like you got a good deal on your Whaler , enjoy. You are off to a great start my Friend....Jack
posted 01-13-2008 09:50 PM ET (US)
I think you had all the stars line up for you with that deal...check boattraderonline.com and see what comperable models list for...just to prove my point...try listing yours for $14,500 and see how popular you'll be...
All kidding aside...people like to try to use "book value" for barganing leverage...if you've ever tried to trade in a car, you know what I'm talking about! It's a good place to start but other factors will also influence how much you sell your boat for, such as knowledge of the seller, time of year, location and motivation of the sale...I wouldn't be surprised if someone needed to get out from under a loan and sold it for what was owed on the note...or the dealer had a bill that needed to be paid and that was your lucky day...
Remember that book value and whalers generally don't go hand in hand...most of the time, the book value is a less than the actual value of your boat...I didn't have any trouble insuring my Outrage for more then book value...when I questioned the agent about not hesitating to insure my boat, she just giggled and said it happens all the time with whalers...
You got a deal that would make the rest of us envious...
Good luck and enjoy your boat...
posted 01-13-2008 10:28 PM ET (US)
Rubberduck could you by any chance be a real "FREIND99!" LOL
Bulldog, thats correct, 3 posts in a hour, brand new and already badmouthing peoples marketplace threads....sounds like someone we know don't it.... a real "FRIEND99"
"according to nada value i would only feel comfortable paying $20,000." on my Nantukets for sale thread.
Are you kidding me?????
"i bought an 05 montauk for $12,500 in august from a dealer, meanwhile I see the same boat for sale with an asking price of $17,500-$21,000! I just dont know where people come up with their asking prices"
Why would you post that dribble. Yep! its unanamous, you have stepped into it!!!
Sounds awfully familiar!
posted 01-14-2008 10:04 AM ET (US)
Wrong again Yiddil. Your credibility erodes with every rant/post. Please take your Prozac!
posted 01-14-2008 10:54 AM ET (US)
LOOSER=FRIEND99=WATERRAT!=FLIPPER!! LOLGo away, no one want you here or anywhere else!
posted 01-14-2008 02:45 PM ET (US)
To answer your question Dave, I am almost 100% they made both hulls in 2002. The reason why you don't see too many is the 170 was say $22k and the classic was like $27k.
Friend...please knock it off!
Yiddil..you too and loser is spelled with 1 o, not 2.
posted 01-14-2008 03:23 PM ET (US)
T...okay Like this huh....Loser:)))LOL only changes the o
the rest remains the same:)
posted 01-14-2008 08:59 PM ET (US)
John, I live a few miles east of you in Park City and found my dream 18' Outrage in Orem!
Years ago we had a 19' Mako with a 115 Mercury. It was a great boat. Not a 'Whaler, but still a great boat. I wish you the best with your Mako.
posted 01-17-2008 06:09 PM ET (US)
I'm an ex-PCer myself. Moved down here when my condo value went through the roof in 06. I've seen one outrage in UT, up on Strawberry. Perhaps that was you flying through the narrows!
posted 01-27-2008 05:18 PM ET (US)
FYI - The boat ended up selling for $14,100 on ebay...assuming the winning bidder followed through with the sale.
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