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knotflyn posted 02-01-2008 10:37 AM ET (US)   Profile for knotflyn   Send Email to knotflyn  
Ran across a 1988 17" Montauk with a new trailer and no motor. The boat needs a lot of cleaning and new cushions. They are asking $4,500 . Does this seem like a fair price? Any suggestions?
friend99 posted 02-01-2008 11:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Not a bad price considering the new trailer is probably worth $1k (assuming the hull and gelcoat are in good shape and it is not water logged or have soft spots).

It will probably cost $3k to $4k to get a decent motor with the labor to install. That will put you at $8,500 (on the high side) for the whole package and you will probably get some type of a warranty with the used motor. If you can buy a complete good package now for $8,500 it may not be worth the effort. You have to look around and see.

If it were me, I would offer $3,800 and come up to $4,000. If he does not take it, move on. Not many people want to get involved with the hassle of rigging a 20 year old boat.

Let us know how it works out.

knotflyn posted 02-01-2008 11:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for knotflyn  Send Email to knotflyn     
Thanks for the quick reponse. I will take your advice. This could be a good winter project.
jeffs22outrage posted 02-01-2008 11:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
They are a lot of things that effect the value of the boat. On the surface the price seem ok but with out seeing the boat is is though to say if it is worth it.

First off does the boat still have all of the OEM equipment? Things like the console, RPS seat, teak doors, all of the hand rails, stern light, bow light, d-rings, etc, etc. What condition are though items in?

Does the hull have bottom paint? What condition is it in? If no paint is there blistering on the bottom of the hull? Does it seem as though there has been repair work done on the bottom of the hull?

Have you been able to knock on the exterior of the hull to check for delamination? Are there any large areas for damage, repairs, cracks, chips, etc. IS the gel coat shinny or dull faded and heavily oxidized?

What condition is the rubrail in?

What about the interior of the boat? Are there a lot of spider cracks all over the hull? Is there any UV crazing occurring? What condition is the not skid in? Are there a bunch of holes drilled into it or is it like from the factory?

What about the transom? Is it full of cracks? Is the green line in good condition and free of cracks? If not the transom could be swelling and rotten.

What condition and all of the thru-hulls in?

Have you had the hull weighed to see if it holding water? If not would the owner let the hull be weighed?

These are just a couple things to look when assigning value to a hull. If the boat does not have any of the OEM equipment and it is full of water it may not even be worth a grand. To throw out figures without some of these questions answered and at least seeing some images of the boat would be just wild speculation.

jeffs22outrage posted 02-01-2008 11:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
They are a lot of things that effect the value of the boat. On the surface the price seem ok but with out seeing the boat is is though to say if it is worth it.

First off does the boat still have all of the OEM equipment? Things like the console, RPS seat, teak doors, all of the hand rails, stern light, bow light, d-rings, etc, etc. What condition are those items in?

Does the hull have bottom paint? What condition is it in? If no paint is there blistering on the bottom of the hull? Does it seem as though there has been repair work done on the bottom of the hull?

Have you been able to knock on the exterior of the hull to check for delamination? Are there any large areas for damage, repairs, cracks, chips, etc. Is the gel coat shinny or, dull faded and heavily oxidized?

What condition is the rubrail in?

What about the interior of the boat? Are there a lot of spider cracks all over the hull? Is there any UV crazing occurring? What condition is the not skid in? Are there a bunch of holes drilled into it or is it like from the factory?

What about the transom? Is it full of cracks? Is the green line in good condition and free of cracks? If not the transom could be swelling and rotten.

What condition and all of the thru-hulls in?

Have you had the hull weighed to see if it holding water? If not would the owner let the hull be weighed?

These are just a couple things to look at when assigning value to a hull. If the boat does not have any of the OEM equipment and it is full of water it may not even be worth a grand. To throw out figures without some of these questions answered and at least seeing some images of the boat would be just wild speculation.

friend99 posted 02-01-2008 12:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Knotflyn,

Jeff is correct and provided excellent detail on what I meant when I said "assuming the hull and gelcoat are in good shape and it is not water logged or have soft spots".

My post assumed that you are able to assess the boat and all its OEM equipment as Jeff and I stated. If you are not, I suggest you get a boat surveyor to inspect it first.

I have a list of things in my head that I go through when I inspect a boat, but Jeff has actually developed a hard copy document/checklist you can use as a go-by when surveying your prospective purchase. Pehaps he will share it with you if you want to survey it yourself.

Good luck and let us know how you make out.

home Aside posted 02-01-2008 12:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Don't mind Jeff repeating himself, he's got the impending Birth of his first child coming up quickly.....which means he'll probably be repeating himself a lot in the future....

Just kidding Jeff, couldn't help myself, couldn't help myself....see what I mean? keep us posted on the joyous occasion your about to experience, hope all is well..

by the way I agree with all of jeff's comments, he's looked at a lot of whalers

Pat

Tohsgib posted 02-01-2008 12:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
I agree with Jeff as well but I think igh 3's would be a good start.

"Not many people want to get involved with the hassle of rigging a 20 year old boat."

That advise however is wrong. About 70% of the members here have repowered their 20+ year old boats and MANY prefer to buy them that way(which is hard to find) so they can put a NEW engine on it. That boat would sell in a heartbeat if in nice condition on E-Bay. Many here have paid $10k for a nice hull and used engine. If you buy that for $4k w/new trailer and drop a $7k out the door new 4 stroke on it...now you have a sweet rig and not about the same $$ as used engine. Really depends on condition/integrity.

bms1939 posted 02-01-2008 12:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for bms1939  Send Email to bms1939     
I would look around before you shelled out $4500 for that boat. I just bought an 87 in very good condition for $6000. That was boat, motor and trailer with a brand new top.
dscew posted 02-01-2008 01:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for dscew  Send Email to dscew     
I re-rigged my 34 year old Whaler by myself and it was a pleasure to bring it back its original vigor; I wouldn't do it any other way. A nice vintage Whaler with restored wood and brand new power is one of the special joys of life, IMO.

I would take Jeff's and Tosh's advice, however. Pay particular attention to through hulls, open holes anywhere, and the transom.

Tohsgib's key phrase: "Really depends on condition/integrity." As usual, right on the money.

Yiddil posted 02-01-2008 01:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
When you get advice from people like Jeff and Tohsgib your getting years of experience and knowledge. I'd be very carefull to take the advice from those around here that have a consistant record on helping the community over along period of time. They do. Just check people posts by looking up their nick. You will see the truth. The 2 guys I mentioned on top here have a combined knowledge base of how many WHalers? How many boat finds for people on here!!!Sound and sincere advice at no charge, these guys are the real deal:)

"Not many people want to get involved with the hassle of rigging a 20 year old boat." This advise as T....has said is wrong!

A Majority here repowered their 20+ year old boats and MANY prefer to buy them that way.heck even with the new whalers, a lot of people would love to power them up by themselves and get the motor of their choice if they could.

Use Jeff's questions and you can probabaly get the right boat for yourself, ask the right people and they will even help you find the right boat, with no renumerations, no special interests, no spin...just 1940's "here let me help you with that!" helpfulness.

Good luck with your boat search.

Henruy AKA THE YIDDIL

Yiddil posted 02-01-2008 01:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
"When you get advice from people like Jeff and Tohsgib your getting years of experience and knowledge. I'd be very carefull to take the advice from those around here that have a consistant record on helping the community over along period of time."

SHOULD HAVE READ>>>>>

When you get advice from people like Jeff and Tohsgib your getting years of experience and knowledge.I'd be careful to take the advice from some on here that don't have a consistant record on helping the community over a long period of time.They do. Just check people posts by looking up their nick. You will see the truth. The 2 guys I mentioned on top here have a combined knowledge base of how many WHalers? How many boat finds for people on here!!!Sound and sincere advice at no charge, these guys are the real deal:)

the rest remains the same:)

friend99 posted 02-01-2008 02:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Knotflyn.......don't be so quick to put a new motor on an old boat. That only makes sense if you love your boat and know you will keep it for awhile. You can certainly buy a 4 stroke 90 HP for $7,000 but that will not include, prop, contols, cabling, etc. Nor will that include installation. All of this can easily add $2,000 to the price of the motor. Therefore, you will be into this 20 year old boat for $13,000


If this is your first boat or Whaler, you may very well decide to move up to a bigger/smaller boat or even a diferent manufaturer in a year or two. If this occurs, you will never recoup the cost of your new motor (i.e. in two years, nobody is going to give you $13,000 for a 22 year old hull with a 2 year old motor). Even if you go on the higher end of my range and pay $4,000 for used motor with controls and installation, you will be into the boat for $8,000 and you will at the worst break even on a boat you used for 2 years and probably make $1,000.

Like i said, it really depends how long you intend to keep the boat. If you know you are going to keep the boat for a long time, go ahead and buy a new motor. A new motor does offer a longer warranty and perhaps piece of mind, but you are paying for it. The problem is that once you repower a 20+ year old boat with a new motor you are "trapped" into keeping that boat or selling it for a loss. People with new motors may not agree, but they have a biased opinion. I know a number of people who missed upgrading to a better boat "on the cheap" because they did not want to take a loss on their repowered boat. I am not knocking buying a new motor, it may be something you want to consider but its not as easy a decision as some people make it sound.

By the way, whether you buy a used motor or new, make sure you buy a 90 HP motor. NEVER power a boat with the minumn HP suggested for the hull. the minimum HP may serve your needs for your use but nobody will want to buy it, if you ever want to sell. As one CW member put it "nobody likes an under powered boat.

Once again, good luck!

Tohsgib posted 02-01-2008 02:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
You can buy a nice 4 stroke for way less than $7k. I paid $6k for a new 115 Suzuki last year. Controls prop tach and harness was another $600. I had a 70 Suzuki on my montauk and it was a whopping 2-3mph slower at WOT than a 90. There are deals through iboats where you can find demo 75 merc 4 strokes for under $5k. You can also buy a NEW 90 Yamaha or Merc 2 stroke for about $5k as well.Why would you be buying this boat if you did not plan on keeping it a few years anyway...unless you are just wanting to flip it for a profit then none of this makes sense.

I bought a montauka nd repowered it wth a new 70 Suzuki and new trailer, drove it for 4+ years and sold it for a profit...don't believe everything you read.

Tohsgib posted 02-01-2008 02:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Ps...that 17 is rated for 40-100hp so I agree do not put a 40 on it. Many here love their 50's though(30+mph). A 70 will fetch about 37-39 and a 90-100 will do 41-43+. Depends on your loads and usage but that is another topic.
newt posted 02-01-2008 02:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for newt  Send Email to newt     
Seven years ago I purchased my first Whaler. It was a 1984 Montauk with trailer, bimini top, and poorly running motor. I paid $4200 and was very happy to have been the first one to show up at the seller's house since I had searched high and low for a couple months to find the best deal I could. I immediately put on a brand new motor, then spent plenty of time over the next few years cleaning, fixing, and spit-polishing the boat. After three or four years of running the boat, I was able to sell for almost exactly what I had into it - my own labor excluded.

The nice thing about buying a hull and trailer only is that you can put on your choice of motor. Many people try and fail to find that kind of a deal.

As others have said, there are many factors that determine the value of that Montauk and the market is definitely softer now than it was seven years ago, but all in all, the Montauk you are looking at is in the right ballpark.

Kingsteven18 posted 02-01-2008 03:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Kingsteven18  Send Email to Kingsteven18     
Make a 'recession' offer of $3K. Maybe you'll save a grand or so. Then find a nice used 70hp OMC 2 stroke 3 cylinder motor for $1000 - $1500. With odds and ends, maybe $5K total.
Yiddil posted 02-01-2008 04:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
knotflyn ...

Like I said before .... Just check people's posts by looking up their nick. You will see who is giving good advice and who is spinning the truth.

The 2 guys I mentioned on top here have a combined knowledge base of many WHalers and many years.

They have found boats for many many people on here...They give sound sincere advice at no charge, these guys are the real deal:)You just have to pick your own flavor of boat deal. You decide what you want, no one else.

Beware of any spinners who would lead you to their direction for their own purposes and self importance.
Check the posts in Market Place over the last few months, or even weeks and it will clearly show you who is interested in others well being and who is just interested in their own self renumeration and importance.

Choose wisly, only you can choose who is real and who is an illusion:) Sounds like your a smart person and will find the answer.

My Best in your search, Henry AKA THE YIDDIL

friend99 posted 02-01-2008 04:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Knotflyn.........I guess the bottom line is to try to determine how long you will keep the boat and then research what deals are out there. Certainly if you can get a fantastic deal on a new or demo 90 HP motor with controls, prop, gauges, hardness AND installation for $6,000 or less, that would make more sense than a used motor complete set up for $3,000 to $4,000, but I doubt you can find such a deal.

I would definitely not re-power with anything less than a 90 H.P. even though the performance difference will be minimal with less HP. The reason is that most people will look at your boat as under powered (even if you don't think it is), if it has less than 90 HP. Go on boats.com, boattrader.com usedboats.com, etc and look at all the used 17 Montauks and you will see that most of them have 90 HP motors and thats what your boat should have too. I do want to say, however, that if you can do what KingSteven suggested and you are into the boat for under $5k with a 70 HP motor, thats a great idea too. You could sell the "under powered" boat at $7k (which is below market to compensate for the under powered motor), and still make $2k and get to use the boat for a couple years. The reason most under powered boats don't sell is because the buyer thinks he should get the same price as the people with the right size motor on the boat, and thats ridiculous.

Finally, I want to tell you a little story about boat buying (I have owned many). When you first buy a boat you think it will serve your needs, but in a short period of time you could determine that something else would serve your needs better. Case in point......As an adult, I boat on the Barnegat Bay in NJ and it can get pretty rough on the weekend and when the wind kicks up. When I was a kid, I had a 13' BW Sport that I used on a lake (it served all my needs for many years), so as an adult I thought a 15' BW would be just right for me to use on the bay. I searched and searched and found a beautiful 15' BW Super Sport that I absolutely loved. I thought I would never sell that boat. After one summer of getting soaked on that boat and getting a hard ride, I decided that I needed to go bigger and bought a nice 17' Montauk. Again, I thought I would keep that boat forever. I found that I did not get very wet on the Montauk (a good thing), but the ride was still too rough for me. I kept that boat one summer and bought a v-hull 17' Outrage II. I kept that boat for a number of years and since then have had a number of boats, some Boston Whaler, some not and currently have a 21' boat which works best for me. My point is that you may not intend to sell quickly after you buy, but you may decide to sell so its nice to keep your sale options open.

deepwater posted 02-01-2008 05:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
Grab that Montauk by the rails and run,, Fix it up and make it your own boat,,rig it out to your tast and you will have the biggest jet ski under your feet thats ever been made,, i have had mine for 20 years and ill be buried with it cause i know theres water in heaven cause it falls on earth
jeffs22outrage posted 02-01-2008 05:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
You can find all 19 pages the Whaler inspection check list here. Click on the link in the article to download it.

http://www.whalercentral.com/readarticle.php?article_id=75

Yiddil posted 02-01-2008 06:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Thanks Jeff, Now thats the kind of help, advice and assistance I'm talking about!
ratherwhalering posted 02-02-2008 10:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for ratherwhalering  Send Email to ratherwhalering     
There is some very solid advice here, Knotfly. Jeff's checklist will serve you well. In addition, it would not hurt to post some photos here (after you make a small deposit to assure the sale..this a public forum after all) The folks here can eyeball and assess a Montauk's general condition in a matter of minutes. For the rest of the things on Jeff's list, you'll need a in-person inspection. There is no photo substitute for a good inspection.
Tosgib (friggin Nick, it takes me 30 seconds to backwards type your screenname!) as always has solid advice, and rigging an outboard on a Montauk is not difficult, but it is not easy either. It involves some general mechanical skill, research, time, and patience. The deals are out there, and if you find them, then you can limit your financial exposure. But make no mistake, unless you score some very good deals you will most likely lose equity in the short term. Friend99 also makes a good point. Once you repower, it may be hard to reecoop your investment, so choose wisely. You have to go in to a project like this with the attitude that you are creating something special for yourself. Like dscrew, I have re-rigged a 1986 Montauk, and would have it no other way, with no other hull. I will always own a Montauk, no matter what other whalers may come and go in my driveway.
Tohsgib posted 02-02-2008 09:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Ed's has new 90hp Yamaha 2 strokes for $5100 and 70's for $4600. If you still think there is no way to repower for that then maybe you should do some research instead of flapping your jaws...just a suggestion FRIEND!

Wiring harness is about $100. Tach is about $60(not digital Yamaha but analog) prop is $250 for SS from Tom Clark and controls are $250 or less on e-bay or surplus(not Dealer). So you could have a new 90 for under $6k and installation is a piece of cake, they plug and play. If not able to install yourself, many shops will do it for about $350 or roughly 4 hours labor.

deepwater posted 02-03-2008 02:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
Most of us don't buy a whaler to turn around and sell it right away,,so what ever it cost to re power has little to do with the worth of the boat but it has everything to do with the use the owner will get out of it in enjoyment,,its not you boat your wallet or your dream,,how about some words of encouragement,,
gnr posted 02-03-2008 09:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for gnr  Send Email to gnr     
That is the deal I was looking for 6 years ago when I bought my 1987 17 with 1987 power on the transom. Assuming of course the hull checks out.

I would have preferred to buy hull only and put my choice of power on it.

If the hull checks out and if you are willing and able to give it the TLC it most likley will need you could end up with a very nice rig for the money.

I'd start at $3000.00 and make sure I had a fistful of Benjamins to wave around to show I was a serious, cash buyer.

If the hull checks out of course.

friend99 posted 02-03-2008 09:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
How did we switch to the subject of putting a new two stroke motors on it? All prior conversations were a new 4 stroke. In any event, even a new 2 stoke will be $7k+ (not under $6k as we discussed). The quote you see above does not include sales tax, is on the low side for cabling, controls and miscellaneous and there is no way you get a marine mechanic in the Northeast to install a brand new motor (including setup, testing and adjustment) for under $800.

By the way, Knotflyn told me he is no longer considering this boat, but the information he received is helpful.

friend99 posted 02-03-2008 10:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Gnr..........I like your MO. It is amazing how people change their tune when you wave $100 bills around. Just have a hitch on your truck and $100 bills in your hand. If the seller won't accept your offer, walk away. There are plenty of other sellers out there.
deepwater posted 02-03-2008 10:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
After you pissed in his Wheaties I don't doubt he had second thoughts,,
friend99 posted 02-03-2008 10:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Deepwater........Yes, having to spend $7k+ on a new motor did appear to give him second thoughts, but Kingsteven and I gave him much cheaper alternatives that would allow him to get on the water cheap and would also allow him to sell the boat, without a big loss, if he decided he did not want it any longer.

I can understand where buying a boat with no motor is preferred by the BW enthusiast who will keep that hull that they love for 10+ years. For a newbie to boating, the idea of having to find a motor, all controls, cabling, prop, etc and get someone to install it is intimidating. They would rather buy a boat today and be on the water tomorrow instead of 2 months from now (a good marine mechanic will have a backlog of work). Thats why I said in a previous post "not many people want to get involved with the hassle of rigging a 20 year old boat". This statement was meant to be for less experienced boat buyers and not the die hard enthusiast who would prefer to rig their own boat. By Knotflyn walking away from this boat, it proved that point.

deepwater posted 02-03-2008 12:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
Only that you Bitched slaped him
Yiddil posted 02-03-2008 01:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Deepwater...

And this is really why .....On the other Montauk thread....first he gives his spin on this thread, , then he trys to take advantage of the situation....

"friend99 posted 02-02-2008 05:04 PM ET (US)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Its the older hull. The hull changed in 1976. By the way, are you going to pursue that 1988 Montauk with no motor? I got a call on it (I think its the same one) and may have someone interested, if you are not."

I say buy the boat, repower it and enjoy it. An enough about what you might do later...thats for later...

Stay away from the people who would not be here to help you, but to help them selves....check the posts in Marketplace and you will see the true flipper from the real helper...Listen to your own self, and to good people, not the dribble.

You have the possibility of a good deal their,speak to one of the people that are here helping others. Henry aka The Yiddil

friend99 posted 02-03-2008 05:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Oy Vah! There is no way anybody is going to take advice from a person who buys an under powered boat and then tries to sell the motor to re-power with more H.P......can't do that so he tries to sell the boat with motor....then can't sell either one! LOL.....BTW, Knotflyn has moved on to something else and I suggest you do the same.
Yiddil posted 02-03-2008 07:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
LOOSER=FLIPPER =FRIEND99...GO AWAY!!! YOur SPIN IS ALL WET! EVERYONE KNOWS WHO YOU ARE! You cant sell sweat here!
friend99 posted 02-04-2008 09:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Yiddle seems more upset than Belichick, Brady and the rest of the Patriot fans after my GIANTS won the Superbowl! I will be thinking of him as I party at the NY Giants Parade in NYC tomorrow.
Tohsgib posted 02-04-2008 10:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
What you own the Giants?

Hopefully you get stampeded by the Budweiser clydesdales and then pee'd on by the dalmation!

friend99 posted 02-04-2008 10:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Now you all know why Tihsgib (Bigsh!t spelled backwards) is called the bag of wind! LOL
Tohsgib posted 02-04-2008 11:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
And you are supposed to be in NY!
Yiddil posted 02-04-2008 11:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Yep, he owns the Giants like he owns a whaler LOL Keep pissing in your own breakfast cereal Fiend...thats what makes you full of piss:)
friend99 posted 02-04-2008 11:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Tihsgib...........the ticker-tape parade is tomorrow. Just one more thing you are wrong about.
Tohsgib posted 02-04-2008 12:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
You are soooo clever.
Yiddil posted 02-04-2008 12:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Spoken like a real "hanger on" Loosers always want to be part of or attach themselves to the glory of winners...LOL Thats why the fiend is here...he dosnt even own a whaler...and needs the spotlight and of course he needs to be correct 100% of the time...LOL

"have owned many Whalers but currently the 21' Edgewater serves all my needs for the bay and light offshore
I currently own a 21' Everglades (v-hull) which I love"

Go away, we got your number Looser=Flipper=friend99!

friend99 posted 02-04-2008 01:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Sorry Yiddle....you are wrong again. I have been a Giants fan all my life and I even posted when I was went to the Tampa Bay playoff game when I was in Florida.

By the way, I never owned an Edgewater boat in my life. I was considering buying one that needed work (to fix and re-sell) last month but I decided against it. My personal boat is a Everglades 211 CC (v-hull) with a Yamaha 225 (no bottom paint and kept on a lift). Nice smooth ride and is not under powered like your 19' Nantucket that you can't sell. Well, at least you have a boat thats hard to find.....it is my understanding that only 1 in 10 Boston Whaler 19' Nantuckets were sold with the under powered 115 HP motor! LOL! There was a guy on ebay last month who had the same exact boat as yours (2004 19' Nantucket with 115 HP Mercury motor) and he could'nt even get $20,000 for it! Heck, I got $19,500 for a 1999 Outrage 17, but that did have a bigger motor (150 HP Yamaha) than you 19' Nantucket (115 HP). LOL!

Bo Neato posted 02-04-2008 01:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bo Neato  Send Email to Bo Neato     
(_o_)
Yiddil posted 02-04-2008 03:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
There your quotes fiend...right from your own big mouth !!!

....this fool dosnt even know what he wrote! LTRoll...go away!

montaukman posted 02-04-2008 03:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for montaukman  Send Email to montaukman     
Friend,

Maybe you made a typo as the 2 boat maufacturers sound similar but I remember you writing about your 21 foot Edgewater. I remembered the thread and found an exerpt from it and it went like this:

"Dan,
Since I have some time this morning, I will waste my time responding to your conclussions:

A) I have owned many Whalers but currently the 21' Edgewater serves all my needs for the bay and light offshore. I am currently looking for a 1980's fresh water Whaler 13' Super Sport that I will keep and use on small lakes when I travel."

Just wanted to set things straight. Yiddil did not have it wrong. Maybe you meant something else but that is what you wrote.

Alan

friend99 posted 02-04-2008 04:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Montaukman (Alan)..........thank you for pointing that out. I remember making that statement to Dan but did not catch my typo. Could have been that I had the Edgewater on my mind since I was considering buying one for resale. In any event, I have mentioned many times that I own a 21' Everglades and I do not, nor did I ever, own a Edgewater (which is also a nice boat).

By the way, I am still looking for a nice 1980's fresh water 13' super sport.

Yiddil posted 02-04-2008 04:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
montaukman...right you are, but the real question is not weather he lied again, which he will always do when confronted with his trolling...we know what this troll is capable of....

The real question is........
Are we as a group Boston WHaler Enthusiast going to let a LOOSER=FLIPPER=FRIEND99 steal into every thread with his self proclaimed pontification as the resident WHaler Expert and make newbees belive he is like working for this site, working to help people (dont make me puke!)and is the expert on Boston WHalers (dosnt even own one) and then spin his own brand of Used car salemanship....to unsuspecting people looking for help, not a rip off ...

Thats the real question!

And because we ask that question,( and we all know the answer) and wont let him get away with this crap here, the fiend will do anything to slander anyone who OUTS him for what he really is!he will try an impact every sales thread he can, of course to no avail, because no one listens to him much at all...not even when he was a child...

Go suck on that troll:)you no more than a hardy chuckle around here...no one who knows anything would buy anything from you!GO AWAY!LOOSER!

friend99 posted 02-04-2008 04:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Yiddle sounds like a fool. Better yet.........he proved he is a fool by buying an under powered boat that he can't sell (even when he posted false/misleading information about it in his ad). Why would anyone take advise from him about buying a boat? Kind of like the captain of the Titanic giving a course on how to hit an iceberg and suffer minimal damage. LOL!

I don't care what he says, I have given sound advise that many CW members agree with and thank me for here and in private. Even Tihsgib backed off his advice for putting brand new power on the 88 hull by saying to Knotflyn "I would stick with the 88 hull and buy a 88ish engine for a grand or so if that is what you want for power".

The more he talks, the dumber he looks. No way he get me to leave, I guarantee that. Got mud?

gnr posted 02-04-2008 05:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for gnr  Send Email to gnr     
Geesh Yiddle,

When I read through this thread and take all the comments at face value I do not see anything written by your arch enemy that I view as anything but an attempt to help the original poster. (responses to your personal attacks excepted of course)

In fact, when I read down from the top the first post that provides the spark is one of your very own!

From this perch it is you who appears to be the troll.

If I were you I would let it go and stop embarrassing myself.

Nothing that has happened in the past gives you the right to derail the threads of others so you can further the objectives of your personal vendetta.

I'm just saying.

friend99 posted 02-04-2008 09:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
gnr.....well said! All one has to do is read this thread from the top and it is plain as day that Yiddle has attacked me for no good reason. When I respond by swatting him away like a fly, his buddies jump in (to no avail, I might add). Thank you for stating that Yiddle is the real troll here.

I'm sure many CW members see things the same way as you do, but they choose not to say anything. What Yiddle does'nt realize is that his Britney Spears type outbursts have lost him respect and credibility amoung the Boston Whaler and CW communities, even if the members don't say so here. His true colors are shining through and people can see how he will react if they disagree with him. His outbursts will remain in the back of their minds forever. One thing I have learned in life is that people who are not sincere will hang themself if you give them enough rope. Yiddle just proved that theory again. Character suicide is what we just witnessed.

Hopefully he has learned his lesson and he will not post in other peoples threads trying to attack me as I try to help other members. I have taken the high road and have NOT attacked him in any other threads even though I exposed his false and misleading statements on his 19' Nantucket. I will continue to take the high road, but I will bitch slap him, or anyone else, that attacks me for no reason. Thats not a threat.....thats just a promise to defend myself!

seabob4 posted 02-04-2008 09:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for seabob4  Send Email to seabob4     
You know what is really wild? Look at the initial post on this thread. Innocuous, and, from what I can gather, fairly open minded. Then read everything in between. Are there a bunch of people with some issues here?

The Whaler is a great boat with a great heritage. Why don't you guys concentrate on that? Just a thought...

deepwater posted 02-04-2008 09:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
99 is an ASS plain as day,, do a search of his posts and raed them ,, all of them,,very one ,, 99 do you have more than one name regestered to this web site,,do you post under more than one name,,arnt you playing several on line names against each other to get people in here to fight amongst themselves,, ass hole,, and you know where i live but you wont share where you live are you afaid someone will come for you, you hide and we dont ,, come see me anytime ,,hey we can go fishing and work this all out ^@^,,,,, thats for you Greatbay,,
seabob4 posted 02-04-2008 09:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for seabob4  Send Email to seabob4     
Like I said, some issues!
deepwater posted 02-04-2008 09:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
Like you said ,,look at the boat and the person buying the boat,, see the boat,, see the person ,,see the happy person,,hear 99 shit on the happy persons boat and their dream ,,^@^ there ya go GB
seabob4 posted 02-04-2008 09:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for seabob4  Send Email to seabob4     
Alright, I've got an idea. Someone wants to sell/buy a Whaler. They ask for advice. They get advice. They weigh the advice. And since we all seem to be knowledgable boaters here, we allow them to take the advice they weighed and come to a decision. Correct? Maybe. Incorrect? Maybe. And leave it at that. This isn't about who knows more, or who's had the most Whalers, or who thinks they have the best rigged boat, it's about helping one another. State your opinion and let the chips fall where they may. If the feelings are that deep seated, then maybe JimH should set up a Texas Barbwire no-holds-barred WWE death match forum for those with those issues. Waddya think? And by the way, you have to let the other know where you live.
friend99 posted 02-04-2008 10:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Deepwater.........I only have one registered name and thats the one I use. I am not "playing several online names against each other". Believe it or not, there are many CW members that agree with me and have voiced their opinion here. Why don't you ask them to prove they are not me if you don't believe that.

In the summer, I am in Brick, NJ (a town called Curtis Point). I don't post my e-mail address here because of unwanted Spam. Many members have my e-mail address and I would give it to you if there was a legitimate reason to do so. I am not "hiding". I have no reason to hide.....I am a good person and I treat people fairly and with respect. Finally.....I don't fish, but thanks for the offer.

BlueMax posted 02-04-2008 10:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax  Send Email to BlueMax     
Once again, another thread hijacked for personal attacks....
Exactly what jimh is (and everybody else) sick and tired of seeing - especially in the MarketPlace!

----Original post to thread --------
Ran across a 1988 17" Montauk with a new trailer and no motor. The boat needs a lot of cleaning and new cushions. They are asking $4,500 . Does this seem like a fair price? Any suggestions?
___________________________________________________________

Turns into a non-stop tirade of childish attacks from Henry because he personally doesn't like one individual in the response group.

Henry - You just hijacked a legitimate thread with legitimate opinion and advice for your own cry baby tantrum. You constantly cry and cry to Jimh that Friend99 is posting and want him thrown off the site, yet you are the one starting all the BS with him most of the time, and you carry it into other threads. DROP IT!!!

Take your own advice and ignore his posts - or move on yourself if you don't like it. I'm sick of reading this tripe and the cry baby whining to Jim.


PS - the correct way to spell 'loser' is L-O-S-E-R. "Looser" means "not as snug/tight."

Get over yourself already and let it go. Stop ruining it for everyone else.

deepwater posted 02-04-2008 10:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
seabob4,, you are right
deepwater posted 02-04-2008 10:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
99 as long as you hide ,,your worthless,,
friend99 posted 02-04-2008 10:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Seabob......thanks. If someone ask's my opinion, I tell them what I think. They don't have to follow it and I'm not saying everyone has to agree with it.....but it is my opinion, and thats what they asked me to provide.

Now, lets act like adults here and recognize that different people have different opinions. I am not trying to "piss in anyone's wheaties" and hopefully nobody else is either.

deepwater posted 02-04-2008 10:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
What i think only matters to me ,,and im the only thing that matters,, your an ASS
friend99 posted 02-04-2008 10:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
You are entitled to your opinion.
deepwater posted 02-04-2008 11:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
good your a sperm berp
BlueMax posted 02-04-2008 11:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax  Send Email to BlueMax     
LOL!

Childish - yes. Funny? You Bet!

LOL!!!

Yiddil posted 02-04-2008 11:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Blue your so wrong its unbelievable...what happened here as is the case each time fiend99 posts is that he gives his opinion to piss in this guys cereal so he wont buy the boat and then posts on the Mont 17 thread that he would like to get the boat if hes not interested... dual threads on mont.s:)

You need to open up your eyes and read all the thread line man. And this is really why .....On the other Montauk thread....first he gives his spin on this thread, , then he trys to take advantage of the situation....

"friend99 posted 02-02-2008 05:04 PM ET (US)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Its the older hull. The hull changed in 1976. By the way, are you going to pursue that 1988 Montauk with no motor? I got a call on it (I think its the same one) and may have someone interested, if you are not."

It never had anything to do with like or dislike...he's pulling these threads like a used car sales man, dont buy this because of...buy this because of, if you dont want it Ill take it....and if you OUT HIM, he slanders you or your sales thread or your boat, or anything he can find out about you, family, friends proff. anything......

So again, advice was given...and then the troll showed up...so the real question is

The real question is........
Are we as a group Boston WHaler Enthusiast going to let a LOOSER=FLIPPER=FRIEND99 steal into every thread with his self proclaimed pontification as the resident WHaler Expert and make newbees belive he is like working for this site, working to help people (dont make me puke!)and is the expert on Boston WHalers (dosnt even own one) and then spin his own brand of Used car salemanship....to unsuspecting people looking for help, not a rip off ...

Thats the real question!

And because we ask that question,( and we all know the answer) and wont let him get away with this crap here, the fiend will do anything to slander anyone who OUTS him for what he really is!he will try an impact every sales thread he can, of course to no avail, because no one listens to him much at all...not even when he was a child...

Go suck on that troll:)you no more than a hardy chuckle around here...no one who knows anything would buy anything from you!GO AWAY!LOOSER!

Jim posted rulz 1 and 2 for the MarketPlace because of this idiot, and his minipulative posts and slanderous comments...not because i outed him....

When someone takes you off a boat you want, and then trys to steal that boat from under you...what do you call that...a Fiend99:) Im done:) Chew on that a while:)

deepwater posted 02-05-2008 12:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
Are greatbay bluemax and 99 the same person ??
BlueMax posted 02-05-2008 01:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax  Send Email to BlueMax     
,,^@^,,
deepwater posted 02-05-2008 01:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
Max you dog you ^@^,,you know this will get GB's goat,,are you and 99 ,,,,,,civil or i meen on good speaking terms
BlueMax posted 02-05-2008 01:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax  Send Email to BlueMax     
I'm a fan of 69...
BlueMax posted 02-05-2008 01:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax  Send Email to BlueMax     
....99 is Maxwell Smart's Girfriend.....
BlueMax posted 02-05-2008 01:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax  Send Email to BlueMax     
Girlfriend.... I think your meds are getting to me now... ha.

,,^@^,,

friend99 posted 02-05-2008 09:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
The more Yiddle talks, the more he proves my point to everyone that he is acting like a jerk. Many long time CW members have already told him that he is the troll, that he hijacked this thread, that he is a cry baby that keeps whining to Jim H, BUT he still insists on totally destroying his reputation. Everyone can see my comments above and can see that I was trying to provide some helpful advice and keep this thread on point. Unfortunately, I was attacked and needed to respond swiftly.

The statements Yiddle makes really show him going off the deep end. For example he states:

"what happened here as is the case each time fiend99 posts is that he gives his opinion to piss in this guys cereal so he wont buy the boat and then posts on the Mont 17 thread that he would like to get the boat if hes not interested"

Piss in his cereal so he won't buy the boat? Everyone can see that there is not one post on this board where I told Knotflyn he should not buy this boat. The only discussion I had was wheather it made sense to put a newer or older motor on the boat. In fact, I gave him encouragement that he would be able to make money on this boat if he decided in a couple of years he wanted to buy another boat. Here is what I said:

"Yes, having to spend $7k+ on a new motor did appear to give him (Knotflyn) second thoughts, but Kingsteven and I gave him much cheaper alternatives that would allow him to get on the water cheap and would also allow him to sell the boat, without a big loss, if he decided he did not want it any longer".

Then the person who opened up this thread (Knotflyn) opened a new thread with questions on a different boat he was considering (an 1975 hull with motor for $5k). In that thread, I ask if he is going to pursue the 1988 hull with no motor. I tell him that I may have someone interested in that 1988 boat "IF YOU ARE NOT". Please notice that I did NOT try to "steal" the boat from him, even though I know where the boat is. I asked him if he decided not to buy the 1988 boat with no motor. His response to me was "I think I am going to pass on the 1988 boat. There will be more in the future, It is just hard to find one in good shape". Now, I ask you...does that sound like I was trying to "steal" the boat from the other poster or does it sound like I was trying to do the right thing to make sure he no longer had interest before I notified another CW member where the boat was? You decide, put please do not take the SPIN the Yiddle tries to put on everything.

Yiddle has a personal vendetta against me because I exposed false and misleading information he posted on his 19' Nantucket that he can't sell. This, however, does not give him the right to wreck the thread of others to further his own objectives. As another CW member wrote here to Yiddle..."You just hijacked a legitimate thread with legitimate opinion and advice for your own cry baby tantrum".

As you can see Yiddle keeps on posting the same BS lies over and over and over again. He just keeps on cutting and pasting like someone with serious issues. He keeps on saying "Are we as a group Boston WHaler Enthusiast going to let FRIEND99 steal into every thread". I did not know that giving my honest opinion on a few threads was considered stealing into every thread.

Well, you now have both sides of the story. You can look at the actual posts by Yiddle and me on both threads and decide who is the real person with issues, who is the cry baby, who is the troll. Many of the long time CW members have done that and concluded it is Yiddle.

It really is sad how quickly a person can ruin a reputation that it took years to build on CW. I toast you Yiddle......you accomplished this and I am grateful to witness it!

Now, its time for me to leave for the NY Giants Parade! Maybe you all will se me tonight on the News with my Eli Manning shirt on!

Dan posted 02-05-2008 09:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dan  Send Email to Dan     
Is this thread available in paperback or hardcover?
deepwater posted 02-05-2008 10:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
how does he get a shirt over that big head,, Max i like the cheeks you put on the pig
BlueMax posted 02-05-2008 10:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax  Send Email to BlueMax     
That is one Happy Pig!

;^@^; ... with pig tails...

BlueMax posted 02-05-2008 10:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax  Send Email to BlueMax     
Actually looks like a crying pig... that's sad.

Ahh, what the heck, this thread is jacked anyway....

^@^(--)~ piggy going to market
/\

~@~ Stoned Piggy

`@` Koala bear

*@* Pig on Deep's winter meds

+@+ ... Too many meds

#@# ... Way too many meds...

"@" ... Female Piggy (Flirty Pig)

Hey Deep, this non-sensical $h!t is fun..... I'm havin' a Whaler of a good time....

BlueMax posted 02-05-2008 10:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax  Send Email to BlueMax     
Is summer here yet?
deepwater posted 02-05-2008 02:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
i love all the pigs
Dan posted 02-05-2008 03:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dan  Send Email to Dan     
knotflyn, I sent you an e-mail about an unadvertised boat that you may be interested in.
BlueMax posted 02-05-2008 03:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax  Send Email to BlueMax     
Heyyyyyyyy..... what's with this original message related stufff.....

We now return you to your regularly scheduled unrelated hi-jacked and diverted message thread.....
(^@^)

jimh posted 02-05-2008 10:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Stop the madness.

If the MONTAUK is decent, buy it and get a nice motor.

[Thread closed. Everyone please take breath and relax.]

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