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Need help with a1966 Nauset for sale
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posted 02-04-2008 02:59 PM ET (US)
I saw a 1966 Nauset for sale online that I am interested in and I was wondering if this person is offering it at fair price. I won't divulge who or where the boat is but I need some help to see if his asking price is resaonable.
From what I can see in the pics, the boat is in nice condition. No hull issues, wood console and seat in awesome condition. 130 1993 Johnson outboard that runs great. It also has a trailer that will need new tires but should make it from upstate NY to Long Island.
My biggest issue with the boat is that it was used on a lake primarily for pulling a skier and as such, has a pole that appears to be mounted to the floor. The tow rope attaches to the pole. The pictures do not show how it was mounted so I don't know if it is removable or not. Also, if it was moveable, I could deal with it if it allowed to me place a pedastle chair there.
Lastly, I noticed that it has a throttle on the side of the chair and not on the console. Was that the norm?
They are asking $5999. Sall it needs is a cleaning. The pics make it look pretty nice. I miss my montauk and this might be an affordable way to get a classic whaler (which I have alsways wanted).
Any comments on a 1993 130 HP Johnson outboard and the general package this person is trying to sell?
Thank you for any information you can offer.
posted 02-04-2008 06:10 PM ET (US)
Where to start????
The biggest issue I see is the engine. The boat is only rated to 100HP. I have talked to people that have put 115HP on theirs, and they say the boat is VERY squirrely at high speed. I would suggest that 135HP is WAY too much. If you were to keep that engine on, you may have trouble getting insurance (since its only rated to 100HP).
The throttle was always mounted as a binnical mount on the console (flat on top). So the side mount is not typical.
The skier pole may or may not be an issue. I would imagine that it can be unscrewed and removed. I can't figure any other way to attach it.
Is it worth $6k? Only you can say. If the hull has no water trapped in it, and the wood looks nice, the price would be nice (if it had a correct size engine). The engine can always be removed and sold. This will offset some of the cost of replacement. A used engine could be anywhere from $2k-$4k, and a new engine could be $5k-$8k.
I suspect you would like a more definate answer, but that's the best I can provide.
posted 02-04-2008 06:27 PM ET (US)
Your advice was very helpful. I asked the person selling it whether it was stern heavy and he did say it was initially. Ounderway it remedies itself.
I think it is way too much engine and I am getting more pics tomorrow but I have a feeling that they screwed into the flooring to mount the ski rope pole (not a good thing in my opinion).
I do not want to go through the selling of an engine to get a more appropriate engine so I am leaning towards walking on this.
Additionally, another person who happens to be selling his Katama (spelling?) warned me that pulling a skier all the time may have added some unnatural forces to the hull or the area where the pole is mounted. Something to think about
posted 02-04-2008 07:14 PM ET (US)
I would worry about two things,
1. the compression on the engine
2. How the ski pole was mounted and if they sealed it well.
The engine HP doesn't bother me, as long as your not purchasing this for some young teenagers. The throttle as a side mount is odd, but could have been done to save cash, do you know if they purchased the current engine new or used? If it was used they might have gotten controls as part of the deal and rather then purchase the correct control, they used what they got. For the package, 6k might be about right depending on the condition of the hull, How much of the original equipment is still there and be sure to check for soft spots and the compression of the engine. As for insurance there is no reason you can't insure the boat even with the engine, having an engine with HP over the hull rating does not by itself violate any federal laws. There may be state laws, but most insurance companies will write you a policy not an issue.
posted 02-04-2008 09:09 PM ET (US)
Montaukman............where is North Bellmore? Trying to get an idea where you are in case i hear of a great deal.
posted 02-04-2008 09:35 PM ET (US)
I would not worry about the ski pole. I have had a tripod in our 1971 Nauset since we bought it new, which was 37 years ago. We have probably pulled a thousand skiers and tubers in those years. The wood locating diagram shows a wood strip just ahead of the sump area that the pylon screws into. Worst case scenario is that the wood is rotted from not sealing the pylon screws. I don't think any water would have travelled much further from a few screw holes. If your not going to use the pylon, the punky wood isn't going to matter. Oh yeah. And we have a 1986 Yamaha 115 hp that replaced the original 1971 100hp Johnson. Its now going on 22 years and I don't really see a problem with the 135hp. The engines all weigh the same, and I don't know of any real life conditions where the previous owner could drive full out in that boat without getting beat to death. He probably just got a good deal on that motor. If the engine is in good working condition just back off the throttle.
posted 02-04-2008 10:13 PM ET (US)
I eceived some pics of the boat from the owner, don't worry, I won't reveal its locale, and I am not pursuing a Nauset, but after looking at the pics...WOW! Theat is in great shape. In the water it doesn't look to be sitting low, and the ski pylon although it is thru bolted and backing plated to the transom can be removed and cleaned up fairly easily.
I don't know much about engine size, but I know companies use the same block for similar Horse powers, and then just beef up the engine to compensate for different sizes, Perhaps this might be the same block as a 115? Again, not sure, but that boat is beautiful. You would be hard pressed to find another freshwater Nauset in its condition.
posted 02-05-2008 08:39 AM ET (US)
You mentioned that you would be keeping the boat on Long Island. Just a "word to the wise", if you plan on operating the boat in Connecticut (CT) waters - the CT DEP has been known to enforce a regulation that prohibits operating a craft with a higher hp engine than indicated on the capacity/max hp plate.
posted 02-05-2008 09:13 AM ET (US)
Thanks for all the advice. I will look at the additional pictures today and let everyone know what is up.
I miss my 170. Divorce is a great thing but damn, I wish I hadn't had to sell my montauk to cover bills.
Oh well, in time, i'll have another whaler.
Thanks again for all the good advice,
posted 02-05-2008 11:36 AM ET (US)
The 130 is a Looper 2.0L engine that was the same as the 120/140 engines from 85-2000? They just made it a 130 so they did not have to sell 2 engines. Great engine, litle heavy and thirsty but that boat should fly.
posted 02-05-2008 12:05 PM ET (US)
The owner said that the engine is difficult to start at the beginning of the season and runs rough for a little but then once run enough, starts smoothly and runs great. Does that sound right for this an engine? My only experience is with a 2005 four stroke so I am clueless as to the tempermentalities (is that a word?) of older outboards.
Also, how hard is it to move the throttle to the console instead of the side of the seat? Is it just running a cable and mounting a control box?
posted 02-05-2008 12:25 PM ET (US)
I would clean the carbs and do a lower unit service. Yes it is just a new control box and maybe cables.
posted 02-05-2008 03:09 PM ET (US)
I have a 1969 Nauset with a 85hp (Bearcat) on it and find it quite ample for the hull... I would not want a 130 on it unless skiing where the major use of the boat... I bet it pulls em up in no time... The problems with starting it in the season begining could just be a factor of how it was winterized the previous season... I run my carbs dry after each use (remove the fuel line and run it out)... This greatly reduces varnish biuld up in the carbs... With two strokers, it greatly reduces gum (high oil concentration) build up... The 2 stroke oil remains after the gas evaporates and combines with the gas varnish to make a rather sticky gum...
As for the ski pole, it might be the type that leave a mounting plate in the hull and just unsrews to remove... I have this type, but as yet have not mounted it...
$6k seems on the high side to me as it is not in original config (engine, controls, and wood work)... Is the original hole in the console for the original Morse controls still there.?? Also there will be some work in restoring the bench seat where the controls are cirrently mounted...
One other are to inspect is the thru hull drains... They are just thin wall brass tube and then to need replacing as they can corrode (disolve really)... If they are not kept track of you can end up with rotted wood in the stern...
One other thing to bare in mind is that these old 16's do ride a bit harder than the montauks (hull design)...
In any case, I love mine and have no plans in parting with it ever... Good luck with your pursuit...
posted 02-05-2008 09:20 PM ET (US)
I'd very much take the advice of Ed on here...he's been working on his ever since Ive met him at one of our seasonal events in Chestertown. man thats one nice boat Ed has....We did pretty good in that 3-5 foot malstome that day Ed:))))also helps to make sure you keep your motor clamped down real good on those boats...right Ed:) hehe
Really, listen to Ed, he knows these guys first hand...Kamie and T...know what there saying also....engine forst..hull second:))
Good Luck:) Henry AKA THE YIDDIL
posted 02-07-2008 10:32 PM ET (US)
I am fairly certain I checked this boat out and had a sea trial. You need to contact me ASAP. I'll tell you where it is in New England.
posted 02-07-2008 10:38 PM ET (US)
nevermind, as I see the boat is in NY and not NE. Kind of weird it was exactly the same as you had described. This boat I looked at had a very soft floor and I felt a big part of it was the placement of the Ski pylon.
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