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kazankota posted 02-04-2008 07:02 PM ET (US)   Profile for kazankota   Send Email to kazankota  
Can anyone direct me to a source to find an Evinrude E-Tec 90 hp 20 shaft for an 87 Montauk. I contacted Ed's Discount Marine who has them for $7300 but can't ship. I suppose I can wait until one comes up on E-Bay. I am in Hartford, CT but the dealers around here are asking way too much.
kamie posted 02-04-2008 07:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Beware of Ed's pricing, it sounds really good until you realize that they charge for every bolt that doesn't come in the box. Talk to your local dealers, use Ed's as a guide and you might be suprised how close they come.
davidmassi posted 02-04-2008 07:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for davidmassi    
We need to figure something out. I leave pretty near Eds, but don't want to by an engine from them.

You don't live too far from the Outboard Exchange in Waterford. That's where I was looking for an engine.

Moby Dick posted 02-05-2008 06:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moby Dick  Send Email to Moby Dick     
kazankota........I will soon too be looking a 90 E-tec for my Montauk. What kinda of price are you seeing? I was hoping to find one within a couple of hundred $ of Ed's price.
merc125 posted 02-05-2008 07:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for merc125  Send Email to merc125     
Barnacle Bills Marine Supply
4584 Rt 47
Delmont NJ 08314
Phone : 856 785 9455
He gave me a great price on a 200 Etec awhile back, his rigged price was less than motor only from some others. He is a participant on Bassbarn.com and seems to have a good reputation there. MartyD
JDJET posted 02-05-2008 08:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for JDJET  Send Email to JDJET     
Give Brandon @ Sturgis Marine in Seaford, Delaware a call.
I think they offer great service. I drive over 90 miles for them to service my boats and I have many other options nearby.

They are a small town type dealer and always treat me fairly.

Sturgis Marine, 20676 Sussex Hwy, Route 13, Seaford, DE 19973

Brandon is difficult to get on the phone, but someone should be able to quote you a price on motor and rigging.

Tell them that Jim Dunlap (mention the Boston Whaler Freak) sent you. 302-629-3581 NO SALES TAX in Delaware

bmc720 posted 02-05-2008 11:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for bmc720  Send Email to bmc720     
I would be interested in a ETEC 90 as well.

Group buy?

I will take it in the box and worry where all the bolts will come from later.

I don't need to be rerigging my montauk, but if i can find a great deal on a ne wetec i'd do it.

bmc720 posted 02-05-2008 11:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for bmc720  Send Email to bmc720     
I would be interested in a ETEC 90 as well.

Group buy?

I will take it in the box and worry where all the bolts will come from later.

I don't need to be rerigging my montauk, but if i can find a great deal on a ne wetec i'd do it.


I think you need a 25 on the montauk. No?

Slippery Eel posted 02-06-2008 09:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for Slippery Eel  Send Email to Slippery Eel     
I second Barnacle Bills Marine in Delmont NJ. I purchased my 2006 90 ETEC from him and was very pleased with the price and the quality of work.

You may have an issue with a bulk buy with the warranty. Find a repuatable dealer and work thru them.

mateobosch posted 02-06-2008 09:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for mateobosch  Send Email to mateobosch     
I agree with Kamie.
I recently bought an E-TEC 115 from a marina for a very good price but the customer service has been disappointing and I have been fighting with them ever since to get an installation guide for my engine. After talking with people who have paid a higher initial cost, it seems like their experience with the dealer was better and their overall cost was similar if not cheaper than what I have put into my installation.

an86carrera posted 02-06-2008 09:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for an86carrera  Send Email to an86carrera     
I would also be interested in a group purchase on a 90hp E-tec.

I'll check with my local dealer and get back next week.

Len

JayR posted 02-06-2008 09:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for JayR  Send Email to JayR     
The amount of interest in this motor for re-power is quite telling. Kind of makes me wish I had kept my Eastport a bit longer. What a pairing it would have made.

If anyone in the RI or MA area could oblige, I would love to have a ride in one this coming season.

Odd we don't see this interest with other brands. Hmmmm, maybe it isn't....

Tohsgib posted 02-06-2008 12:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
My neighbor paid $8k engine only for a new 115 E-Tec from SaraBay Marine in Sarasota. I would assume the 90 might be about $7300 being less a cylinder. In NJ I would try Manahawkin boat sales(if they still use that name). They are on Bay Ave. Andy's in Barneat was ALWAYS cheap but not sure what he sells these days, used to be Johnson.
Tohsgib posted 02-06-2008 12:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
PS..SaraBay does ship.
kazankota posted 02-06-2008 08:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for kazankota  Send Email to kazankota     
I am actually in Point Judith, Rhode Island and will probably be looking there. I have talked to a few dealers that absolutelty detest the E-Tec series, they say that BRP is not truly related to Bombardier and that Evinrude is looking for a way of re-establishing themselves. They say they will pass until more time shows how these motors do. I still like the E-Tec and they are telling me to go with a Yamaha 4 stroke. I just don't like that weight difference at 369#. Maybe the Yamaha 90 TLR 2 stroke which I can pickup for about $4700.

Can anyone say anything negative about the E-tec?

kazankota posted 02-06-2008 09:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for kazankota  Send Email to kazankota     
90 hp. Etec with controls, prop, wiring harness, cables,
oil tank, tach and install labor would be approx. $10,500 including sales tax (6% CT). I was hoping to do much better than this.

I'm thinking $7,300 for motor, $600 for rigging (wire harness, controls, tach, etc), $600 for install. So something around $8500-$8900.

What oil tank are they talking about. there is now mounted oil tank for this model is there?

kazankota posted 02-06-2008 09:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for kazankota  Send Email to kazankota     
Barnacle Bills Marine Supply has them listed for $8320 engine only. BTW I am pretty sure the current motor on my Montauk has a a 20" shaft.
Buckda posted 02-06-2008 09:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Oil Tank? It's mounted to the powerhead.

Find another dealer.

Look for a Master Evinrude dealer, and bring him prices to compare against - see if he can match up.

Believe me, you may have a few pangs of doubt when you hear of better deals out there, until you realize what a great experience you have with your dealership. It makes all the difference in the world, and is well worth forgoing a few hundred bucks in the end.

You may find an E-Tec 90 for $7,300, but you're in the NE - where everything is a bit more expensive.

Evinrude seems to be commanding a premium on the E-TEC motors as well...which I guess says more than anything about how well they are selling.

Be willing to drive a little further to find a dealer - I live in Chicago and drive to Detroit to see my dealer (but he doesn't see me with the motors that often!)...He's seen them once for a fuel filter recall, and that's it - he'll see the motors again this spring for the 300 hour service and to re-shoe them with some SS wheels.....but I don't expect him to need to check up on the motors for another 300 hours after that.

The advice changes a bit with a 4-stroke. The 100-hour service interval may limit you to a more local dealership.

Good luck -- and find the best dealership first, then work on the price. Again - it's worth the extra few hundred bucks to have a happy and ongoing relationship with a good dealer.

Dave

davidmassi posted 02-06-2008 09:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for davidmassi    
Where can you find a new 90HP Yamaha 2 stroke for $4700?
JayR posted 02-06-2008 09:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for JayR  Send Email to JayR     
kazankota, call Gene Steger at Conanicut Marina in Jamestown.
(401)423-7003
gene@conanicutmarina.com

They beat Ed's price in my 150 by a long-shot.
I think the price on a 150 right now is $12,995 installed with everything including propeller.

No clue what a 90 is going for but I'll be their pricing is as good as you'll get in RI or MA.

JayR posted 02-06-2008 09:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for JayR  Send Email to JayR     
"Where can you find a new 90HP Yamaha 2 stroke for $4700?"

I would buy 2 for that price!

Buckda posted 02-06-2008 09:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
If you want a new technology motor, you will NOT be happy with a "classic" 2-stroke. Again, there is reason behind prices. The classic 2-stroke is cheap because not very many people want them anymore and the dealership is trying to move the motor - perhaps for only a few hundred bucks above cost.

If you want a very similar motor to what you already have for the next 20 years, then buy it.

Given that the 90 HP E-TEC has been out for 4 model years now, it begs the question: What are your local dealerships waiting for? If the "average lifespan" of an outboard is 5 years, then they've had a lifetime to make a determination.

Of course, if your dealership isn't on board for your motor technology, then you won't be happy with their service for that technology.

I'd also be suspicious of any dealership that badmouths the product they sell. Doesn't sound like a viable business model to me.

Finally, BRP is NOT a division of Bombardier. This has been explained before...but they are owned by the same people that are behind BRP, which includes CanAm ORV's, SkiDoo Snomobiles and SeaDoo PWC, all which enjoy a very positive reputation in those markets.

All of that is neither here nor there....in the Midwest, E-TEC motors are selling well, and are seen on more and more boats. I personally own two E-TEC 90 motors (2006 models) and couldn't be much happier with them. You must decide for yourself.

Honestly, if you find a Yamaha dealer that is a great dealership, I'd buy a Yamaha motor just for the reason that I would get great service and a good experience from that dealer. Don't be married to a single technology unless you have a specific reason.

lizard posted 02-06-2008 09:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for lizard  Send Email to lizard     
Try Birbarie Marine in Branford CT
kazankota posted 02-06-2008 10:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for kazankota  Send Email to kazankota     
Buck Island Marina in Gadsden, AL has New (in crate) 2006 Yamaha 90 TLR for $4900, $4700 start price on E-Bay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NW-2006-90TLR-W-LIMITED-TIME-5-YR-WARRANTY-2-STROKE_W0QQitemZ330209264468QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item330209264468

I like the E-Tec technology and I like the weight of the engine as well. I would be worried about an extra 120# of motor going to the Yamaha 90hp 4 stroke.

Tohsgib posted 02-07-2008 10:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
I would NOT worry about the weight but for $47-4900 I can not justify the price for new technology unless you really want it. I would get the 2 smoke. Then again you can find Suzuki 70's for low $5's which although heavier perform close to the Yamaha 90 2S(I made the switch so I know 1st hand) and burns almost half the fuel.
kazankota posted 02-07-2008 03:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for kazankota  Send Email to kazankota     
Found 90 E-Tec installed with everything for $9100 including 5 year warranty. Talked to the guy you had mentioned, Gene Steger at Conanicut Marina in Jamestown, RI which is 10 minutes away. This is one of the best prices I have found so far.
PDA posted 02-07-2008 05:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for PDA  Send Email to PDA     
In October 2007 I purchased 90hp E-tec and had it installed on my 1972 Nausit for $9,000 in Delaware where there is no sales tax. If you can get one in RI for $9,100, this sounds like a very good purchase price.
L H G posted 02-07-2008 06:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
Almars Outboards, in Delaware, sells a 90 Optimax for $6650, before installation charge, no sales tax.

Seems like a good deal, but the engine weighs 50 lbs more, because it has a larger block, more cubes.

Jaybld posted 02-07-2008 10:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jaybld  Send Email to Jaybld     
Regarding the previous discussion about the "oil tank". It seems that on motors larger than the 90, there is a remote oil tank. I rough priced a 90 today at the Charlotte Boat Show, and the salesman showed me how they price the deal. There is a rigging component that includes a remote oil tank, and of course it is more expensive (by about $150 or more) than the one without. This guy charges $7300 for the white ( $100 less for the blue), Gauges and other install components vary of course, but look to be about $3-400. They then quote 10% over that number, then add $340 for labor and then 6.5% tax. This was not a negotiation and I've no idea how flexible he might be. Hope this helps.
blacklab posted 02-09-2008 11:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for blacklab  Send Email to blacklab     
Barnacle Bills is quoting $9500 complete at the Atlantic City Boat show for an E-Tec 90. Approximately 1 week turnaround.
frontier posted 02-09-2008 12:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for frontier  Send Email to frontier     
Get a new Yamaha 90 HP 2-Stroke. Lighter, clean, best quality, proven dependability, and much cheaper (Ed's has them for $5100.00). To me, it's a no-brainer for a Classic 17 Whaler.
deepwater posted 02-09-2008 12:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
Ya know if 3,4,or 5 of you guys get together and decide that on 15 of April,, all of you want an E-Tec 90,,go to the dealer and say i want to buy 5 mounted and rigged motors give me your best price and do that at several dealerships you might come out on top,,what dealer wants to turn down a mass sale on a new motor
kazankota posted 02-09-2008 10:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for kazankota  Send Email to kazankota     
Well I ended up getting a Yamaha 90TLR w/ 5 year warranty. I got it for $4750 + just over $100 for shipping to RI. The $3000 difference in price vs. the E-Tec was not going to work for my marriage :) Although I really wanted that E-Tec.

I hope this works out well, can someone please pad my confidence. I just need to find a Yammy dealer who can do complete install and do the Pre-Delivery Inspection.

deepwater posted 02-09-2008 11:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
For under $5 grand you have nothing to be ashamed about ,,you did well Pilgrim
Tohsgib posted 02-10-2008 12:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Install it yourself...takes a few hours and when you are done you will question why they charge so much.
davidmassi posted 02-10-2008 09:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for davidmassi    
kazankota ..... congratulations on your new purchase. I was floating between that one and the one I just bought. I went for the 2001 Yamaha 100HP 4 stroke. Were we bidding against each other?
brisboats posted 02-10-2008 09:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for brisboats  Send Email to brisboats     
Kazan.. Congrats and just tell the wife the claasic motor you just bought last longer than most marriages ;-).

Brian

kazankota posted 02-12-2008 07:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for kazankota  Send Email to kazankota     
Motor will be on it's way to me soon and I am running into a problem. The Yamaha certified dealers and service centers decline to do my install and PDI because I did not buy the motor from them. Below is an excerpt of the e-mail the marina sent me

"Selling dealers are required to install the engines they sell and perform the necessary PDI paperwork. If you purchased this motor over the internet it is against Yamaha’s dealer agreement. We will not support internet sales outside our territory."

Somehow I was contacted by the New England Regional rep Steve Goddard and I am waiting to hear back from him if this is actually true or this is just them yanking my chain.

-Torrey

PS Jimh sorry about this thred being somewhat out of place at this point, we can move it if it is better suited somewhere else.

JayR posted 02-12-2008 08:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for JayR  Send Email to JayR     
Please let us know how things progress. I a interested in buying two of these Yami's and don't want to end up without a warranty.
seabob4 posted 02-12-2008 09:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for seabob4  Send Email to seabob4     
Kazan,
Hang and rig the motor yourself. If you are trepeditious about this contact me, tohsgib, Henry (the Yiddel), Jimh, or any of us and we'll walk you through the install. Piece of cake. Yamaha Does like to jerk people's chains, including the builders. Like you really need a Yam dealer to do a "Pre-delivery inspection" to qualify for their warranty. The important warranty info is in the paperwork package that came with the motor. Fill out the warranty card that came in that package and send it in. You're covered.

You got a good deal, you'll love the motor. Hang and rig it yourself, you'll learn a lot, and you'll appreciate a little bit about what goes into building a boat. Have fun!

Tohsgib posted 02-13-2008 11:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
My friend is a mechanic and rigs new Yamahas all the time even though not an authorized dealer or Yammie mechanic. He just signs the card and the owner mails it in. I had a few Suzuki dealers tell me the same thing. Then some said I had to have them inspect it for $100 or so for warranty card to be sent...uh I installed it myself in about 2 hours, filled out the paperwork and sent it in myself. I have all the warranty offered(6 years ) in an envelope from Suzuki USA. The dealers are full of it but MANY believe them. Not sure what the head honcho is gonna say because he does not want to bite the hands that feed him. I think he will skate around the issues with a bunch of "maybes".
Tohsgib posted 02-13-2008 11:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
PS...when the CDN $ was weak I was going to buy a new Honda in Canada. I heard the same BS about imported engines...again BS. Unless we live in Japan, are'nt all HondaSuzuki/Yamaha outboards imported?
kazankota posted 02-13-2008 01:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for kazankota  Send Email to kazankota     
According to the rep I have to have it installed to even qualify for the 2 year warranty. This is ridiculous. (see below)

Let me clarify the promotion (Say Yes to 2014) impact on a dealer....something you apparently haven't been told yet. Dealers have a "participation" cost". Although strongly subsidized, there is no "free lunch" in the world anymore, and dealers "participate" in the net costs of the extended warranty. The dealer "warranty registering" under Yamaha guidelines is also the dealer performing the Pre-Delivery Inspection (PDI), this dealer can say "yes" or "no" when prompted as to this unit receiving promotion benefits. As your unit is being shipped in; and the dealer installing would not have received the profit to cover their participation costs......you will either want to compensate them for their participation costs, or accept and be happy with, the standard warranty of 2 years.

Of extreme importance to you as the consumer.....is if the dealer is active on YMBS, our dealer interactive website (where the dealer registers units among a host of other activities). Here's why:

I received your second e-mail also. For the standard warranty to be valid and engaged; the unit does need to be PDI'd and warranty registered online now by an authorized Yamaha Outboard dealer. If a "warranty registration" card came with the owner's packet; throw it away. Dealers must register online with a PDI form number; and additionally the promotion requires registration on our dealer website YMBS to be eligible. This is not to say that Stone Cove or any other boatyard is not competent; they simply are not an authorized Yamaha dealer and cannot perform the functions you need at this juncture.

The MSRP for the extended warranty of 3 years for your model is: $960.00. As the factory rep, I am encumbered by a host of free trade laws, and as a result am not at liberty to discuss either the dealer net costs for the extended warranty, or their participation costs. A dealer could tell you, if they wish to; but I cannot.

So for your installation you will want the following: 1) cost of install 2) cost to "engage" the promotion too. Note your motor will essentially be the only thing in the crate. You will need: controls, cables, harness, propeller, key switch, fuel filter and housing, and a host of other items to complete the install. So motor price is not always the most important factor in the purchase of an outboard. Dealer relationship and quality of service are intangible.......but of incredibly immense value.

seabob4 posted 02-13-2008 06:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for seabob4  Send Email to seabob4     
You know what's funny? We install thousands of motors a year, from little 90s to 300s. Merc, BRP, Honda, Suzuki. They ALL come with their respective rigging kits, and they ALL come with their paperwork packages, which include your warranty info. No, they don't come with props, or cables, or harnesses, well, DUH! If you are hell bent on lining Mother Yamaha's pockets, listen to your rep and do as he tells you. Me? I'd stay away from them. I work for a major boat builder. Notice I didn't list Yamaha as a brand of motor we hang. Because they are arrogant ass*****! Run with etec, go with Suzuki (my preference), even Merc. But dump Yamaha! Just my personal opinion.
Buckda posted 02-13-2008 06:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
The most important part of that e-mail response:
quote:
...motor price is not always the most important factor in the purchase of an outboard. Dealer relationship and quality of service are intangible.......but of incredibly immense value.


As a guy who's "been there, done that", I offered the following advice in my post above:

quote:
Believe me, you may have a few pangs of doubt when you hear of better deals out there, until you realize what a great experience you have with your dealership. It makes all the difference in the world, and is well worth forgoing a few hundred bucks in the end.

also:

quote:
...find the best dealership first, then work on the price. Again - it's worth the extra few hundred bucks to have a happy and ongoing relationship with a good dealer.

I hate it when people say to me "I told you so," so I know what a crappy post this seems like...it's not directed at you - but at folks who are considering an outboard purchase - this is important information!

People can ALWAYS find a better deal on ANY THING OF VALUE. It is important to negotiate your best price, but when the time comes, focus on the purchase experience and be don't worry that you didn't get the very best deal.

I once got a great deal on an airline ticket to Miami. By the end of the trip, I would have paid triple just to "restart" my trip in the last row of coach class (non-reclining seat, sitting next to screaming babies) on a first class carrier.

Lesson learned repeatedly throughout numerous industries and across products and services. My head hurts from getting whacked. Today, I negotiate my best deal and walk away not second-guessing myself.

Good luck to you - and to others reading this thread and considering a similar purchase.

Dave

kazankota posted 02-13-2008 10:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for kazankota  Send Email to kazankota     
To be honest I have not paid or recieved the motor as of yet and in my opinion the sdescription of the motor may, and I repeat MAY, have been misrepresented.

Buckda-
I am a straight forward, simple kind of person. In my opinion I should be able to purchae a motor and (if I choose) pay someone my hard earned money to install the motor and register it as well. It shouldn't be that difficult.

Buckda posted 02-14-2008 09:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
I never said you couldn't...and neither did the Yamaha rep.

I just said your experience may have been a lot more pleasurable and less stressful by establishing a relationship with a selling dealer.

My dealer sold me the engines. I shipped them to myself 200 miles away and I rigged the boat myself. I then returned the rigged boat to the dealer, and he inspected the installation and signed off on the warranty.

Did I get the very best price available in the country for my motors? Nope...not from what I've read here. I got a good, fair deal though, and have a great dealer in addition to sweeten the deal.

This is not a knock on you personally. I'm sorry you're experiencing this. My post above was an attemt to drive home a point for people reading this thread in the future to weigh the real (tangible and intangible) costs of buying a new motor online from a distant dealer.

Tohsgib posted 02-14-2008 11:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
I will ask my friend when the last time he installed a NEW yamaha on a customer's boat and what was the deal with warranty. I know he installed a new 90 a few years back and the boat fell off the lift(partially), just enough to submerge the engine. Insurance paid for a new powerhead that Yamaha shipped to my friend. The new powerhead is considered a PART and only carries a 90 day warranty...so what good is his warranty now? For that reason alone, I try and stay away from Yamaha.
kazankota posted 02-14-2008 01:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for kazankota  Send Email to kazankota     
A good warranty is important IMO. I don't really want the motor without the warranty. Yamaha dealer wanted to charge $2200 for the parts and labor for install and to do the PDI inspection to activate the warranty (dealer says they will no longer activate warranty cards without a PDI by a Yamaha service dealer)

The E-Tec 90 HP with 5 year warranty (complete install with rigging, controls, etc) for $9100 is looking like where I am headed. I never would have thought there would be so much BS and complication with purchasing the motor from another dealer. I appreciate everyones advice.

blacklab posted 02-14-2008 04:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for blacklab  Send Email to blacklab     
I hate to bring up lawyers......but.....In the auto trade your dealer may tell you that you have to have the warranty work done there for it to be covered. Nothing could be further from the truth....at least in PA and NJ. I would think that it would be the same for an outboard motor. Nobody is required to go back to the dealer for anything, and no company can insist that only their dealer service their product. You may want to get a free consult with a lemon law attorney in your state to find out your rights.
Tohsgib posted 02-15-2008 03:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
It is like the Magnuson Carter act or something. A dealer can NOT tell you you must have it serviced by them or it will void the warranty...VERY ILLEGAL and heavy fines if done! I would ASSUME it applies to engines as well but who the hell knows. I would call a lawyer friend or ask here for advice in a different thread...lawyer advice, not yahoos like me who don't know squat about laws except how to break them.
Tohsgib posted 02-15-2008 03:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
What next...Goodyear gonna deny my waranty because their slacker did not install my tires, my mechanic did? Man I am going to have to become a Fram authorized mechanic to install my own oil and air flters soon!
kazankota posted 02-15-2008 07:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for kazankota  Send Email to kazankota     
Latest E-mail from the regional yamaha Rep. I think I'm all done with this, just not worth my time.

Hello Torrey,

Buying on the internet is without question "caveat emptor" regardless of product type or more to the point....; outboard product line. ETEC, Yamaha, Suzuki, Honda, Mercury.......all of the manufacturers have dealers who will dance in the grey zones of the dealer agreements, and do exactly what the manufacturer doesn't want to occur.....in this case: ship a crated motor. Buying locally might cost more initially.....but in the long run, the local relationship's value becomes immense. Customer Satisfaction Indexes crash on shipped product, period.

In an effort to see CSI's stay at our award winning level.....and continue to rise, Yamaha requires the "Pre-delivery Inspection" form be filled out by the installing authorized Yamaha dealer and subsequently warranty registered by them. Obviously, a dealer shipping a motor in crate can't perform the install or the inspection. So the "dance" in this case is that dealer not performing the "PDI" and not warranty registering the shipped unit. But Yamaha has a 3 year extended promotion going-on right now. The nationally advertised terms of the promotion require warranty registration and the "PDI" number filed on our dealer internet link....called YMBS. So the "hurdle" in your scenario is simply: for you to receive the promotion benefits per nationally advertised requirements.....you need the motor installed by and paperwork/computerwork completed by an authorized Yamaha dealer. The same hiccup will arise regardless of what motor company you choose.

I'm not condescending nor being a wiseguy with you.....far from that; I'm trying to coach you through this process and an end result that exceeds expectations. You see; I actually care about my dealers, retail consumers, and the product Yamaha makes for our customers to enjoy on the water. I am also a consumer....and want the best price on a price negotiable product; just as you do.

You started with a terrific local dealer. I strongly recommend you let Rob quote you a complete install including the promotion benefits so you end up with the 5 year warranty.

Back on your questions:
1 and 2 at once: For the standard warranty to be entered on our system, and/or the extended warranty; the unit does need to be PDI'd and warranty registered online now by an authorized Yamaha Outboard dealer. Only the dealers can tell you if they would perform a pre-delivery inspection and warranty register a unit installed by someone other than their own service staff. Frankly, I don't think you'll find a dealer or a motor company, or their lawyers.....who would recommend they do that.

Best of luck however you go.....

seabob4 posted 02-15-2008 09:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for seabob4  Send Email to seabob4     
Hey, it's your decision. Not an easy one. If you want the Yammy, do what they say. All of us are just trying to save you some money. But, after all, it is your dollar...all in all, good luck. Whatever motor you get, enjoy it, and catch many a great dinner!
kazankota posted 02-15-2008 10:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for kazankota  Send Email to kazankota     
I don't want the Yamaha, just posting for reference at this point. So others who consider this route can jnow what a pain in the ass it is (at least with Yam)
Tohsgib posted 02-16-2008 08:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Will the seller do the PDI even though he is not installing it? Heck if he is "dancing in the grey zone" already, he might as well finish the contest.
deepwater posted 02-16-2008 10:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
sorry for not reading the whole post again ,,but if you were on a vacation and your boat broke wont the warranty work be done anywhere is the install in a world wide computer or something,,and if so as long as it is properly installed than any warranty dealer can do the work,,you can always contact the manufacture with I'm never going to buy your product again speech
Bo Neato posted 02-16-2008 11:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bo Neato  Send Email to Bo Neato     
kazankota, you should make one more e-mail to the Yamaha rep - the one that says their policies cost them a sale and ultimately caused an e-tec to get bolted to your transom.
bmc720 posted 02-16-2008 09:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for bmc720  Send Email to bmc720     
from the yamaha website - I agree with some of the posts out here - if you purchase a yamaha outboard new, you get a mfg's warranty. whether you have it entered in a system or not will be an open question. Naturally, if it is installed in a way that causes it to fail it would not be a covered claim.

Here is the info from the web:

Question

Will it void my warranty if a non-Yamaha dealership performs the maintenance on my Yamaha outboard?


Answer

No, your maintenance can be done by anyone you authorize to do your maintenance. We suggest the use of a Yamaha dealership for service and maintenance due to their experience, knowledge, authorization to perform warranty, and the access to Yamaha’s technical staff and publications.

Be aware that if an issue arises from the lack of proper maintenance or service, your warranty will not support that issue. For example, an oil change has been performed on a four-stroke engine. Then, the engine fails due to the servicing agent forgetting to add oil after draining the oil. In this case, the engine will not be covered by warranty.




However, they do sound like a bullying pain in the you know what. I would go etec or suzuki in a heartbeat........

seabob4 posted 02-16-2008 10:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for seabob4  Send Email to seabob4     
Ditto!
deepwater posted 02-16-2008 11:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
No oil would fall back on the shop doing the service,,if the drain plug was tempered so hard that it shattered like a mill file hit with a hammer when a wrench was used on it than a warranty issue comes up
kazankota posted 02-17-2008 08:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for kazankota  Send Email to kazankota     
"Yamaha requires the "Pre-delivery Inspection" form be filled out by the installing authorized Yamaha dealer and subsequently warranty registered by them."

I confrimed this with a call to Yamaha. The card that comes with the motor is invalid now. The warranty must be opened on Yamaha's closed dealer network YMBS, no one can access this unless they are a Yamaha service dealer. And in order to have this a PDI must be performed, it will not be valid if anyone other then them has installed it. If this is not done they will in no way support the warranty.

bmc720 posted 02-17-2008 10:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for bmc720  Send Email to bmc720     
I don't doubt that is what some smo that answers the phone will tell you. I suspect if you called the head legal council for Yamaha NA and asked him exactly how he interprets the magnuson-moss warranty act you may get a different answer.

I think its pretty clear, if a mfg offers a warranty, it needs to be honored.

I don't think this applies to the extension.

I did a fast search on "warranty law" and this popped up:

Don't get me wrong - I think this is probably too big of a pain to justify the purchase.

http://consumer-law.lawyers.com/warranty-law/Consumer-Law-Warranty-FAQ.html#two

kazankota posted 02-17-2008 11:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for kazankota  Send Email to kazankota     
bmc720-
As for the maintenance you are correct as they did say once the warranty has been validated service can essentially be anywhere. I was told by a few different sources that I could hang the motor myself, or have the marina I use (who is not a Yamaha dealer) do the work as well. At that point I would be stuck as far as instating the warranty. It MUST be done after a PDI, and through the YMBS. If its not there is no warranty. I have thrown the legal jargon at them already and it is pointless. They don't care about me becoming their customer, they care about money. I would advise anyone who is thinking about going this route (with Yamaha) not to get caught in this trap, you will regret it. The only way this will work is if you know your Yammy dealer very well (or pay him well) and they are willing to go on YMBS and instate the warranty.
bmc720 posted 02-17-2008 03:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for bmc720  Send Email to bmc720     
Let's agree to disagree. But in any case it's irrelevant at this point since you shut off a good mail order source for outboards. I am sure Yamaha has told these guys no more ebay sales......

Again, in pretty clear terms:

Magnuson Moss Q/A
What is the Magnuson Moss Act?
The Federal Trade Commission Magnuson-Moss Act protects consumers. This act passed in 1975 states that tie-in sales provisions are NOT allowed in consumer warranties. Manufacturers cannot require consumers to purchase items or services in order to keep their warranty valid.

Essentially, the act states that a warrantor cannot require the consumer of their product to buy an additional product or service to be used with the original product in order to maintain the original product warranty.


If you had bought the engine, had it mounted, then called Yamaha and asked them how to get the warranty in place, THEY would have found a dealer to inspect it AT NO COST to you and you'd be off to the races.

If you sue under M_M act and prevail they owe you for all costs....not something they would tangle with.


kazankota posted 02-17-2008 04:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for kazankota  Send Email to kazankota     
1) The dealer is still listing motors on eBay so your report that I have shut them down is without merit and IMO uncalled for. I'll have to check all the corresponding e-mails but I'm pretty sure the selling dealer was never even mentioned, besides on this site. The last thing this site needs is to have another thread turn into a pissing match.

2) Magnusson Moss Act has many interpretations on limited warranties and Yamaha is not stupid. I am sure they had thought this through before making their warranty policies. Check the warranty section on their website, here is excerpt below.

What kind of warranty confirmation will I receive from Yamaha when I purchase an engine?

Yamaha Motor Corporation, U.S.A. will send you a factory warranty card after we receive the registration from your dealer. Any authorized Yamaha dealer in the United States can also check your limited warranty coverage by using a website Yamaha provides for dealers.

New engine registrations must be completed by a Yamaha dealership. Only a Yamaha dealer may perform a Pre-delivery Inspection, which is a requirement for engine registrations. This inspection ensures that the engine(s) are rigged correctly, operating correctly and will provide you with an explanation of operation and maintenance. For transfers of ownership and warrant, your Yamaha dealership will need to evaluate the outboard(s) to verify that they are in normal running condition. There may be a charge for these services.

Again, I am sure Yamaha has thought this through and not implemented illegal policies.
For those who will take a chance on this to save some money good luck! As for me I have to agree with Buckda, and I will look into doing everything through my delaer... only I'll be going with an E-Tec

gspier posted 02-21-2008 05:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for gspier  Send Email to gspier     
I have a 2006 90 HP E-Tec for sale, 140 hours, salt water series (white color), used in fresh water, excellent condition, $4,500
Tohsgib posted 02-22-2008 10:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
gspier...my friend has been trying to get in touch with you...please check your e-mail or give me a shout.

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