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ejham posted 02-17-2008 03:45 PM ET (US)   Profile for ejham   Send Email to ejham  
I am looking at a 1985 17 ft Montauk with a the original 1985 VRO V4 Evinrude on an aluminum trailer...never been in salt water and has less than 100 hours on motor...been housed inside and looks new...the Teak wood trim even looks new..not a scratch on the boat...the owner is asking $8000 ...looking to find out if this is a good price? The boat was last in the water in 2004.
friend99 posted 02-17-2008 04:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Assuming everything checks out on the boat, $8,000 is an excellen price if the boat is in "like new" condition. The trailer alone is worth $1,000+. You don't need a voluminous check list to inspect the boat, but you do need to make sure everything checks out. If don't have any boat knowledge, hire a boat surveyor.

Let us know how it works out.

home Aside posted 02-17-2008 04:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
As said if it is as you describe $8,000 is a very good price for a freshwater boat, garage kept. I paid $8,000 for a 1982 Montauk with 1982 Evinrude 90 in excellent condition in 1992. Rebuilt the engine in 2003 for $2,000, sold the boat in 2006 for $10,000 cash. wish I still had it

Pat

jeffs22outrage posted 02-17-2008 05:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
Have you seen the boat in person or just images over the internet or through email? If you have not seen the boat in person I would highly recommend doing it. I all of my searching I received a lot of images that looked good but in person there were a lot of issues with the boat. One owner sent me images of the boat that were completely different from it's current condition. Pictures hide a lot of sins.

Do your homework on the boat. Friend might think you do not need an exhaustive list of questions to go over but, I greatly beg to differ. You get get a lot of information and a pretty good idea of how the owner cared for the boat through the number and kinds of questions you ask. Here is the list I created and use when looking at a whaler for myself or surveying a whaler for another board member.
http://www.whalercentral.com/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=2& thread_id=1579&getfile=11608

Once you have gone through the boat and surveyed it to your liking you should sea trial the boat. If the owner is unwilling to sea trial boat take warning. If you can sea trial the boat be sure to use the boat under all of the normal operations. Everything from idle to WOT. I will say if it have only 100 hours of use in 23 years that would be a concern of mine. Are you sure it is not 100 hours on a rebuild? A motor that has sat a lot could be as problematic as an motor with very high hours.

If everything checks out $8000 is a pretty fair price.

ejham posted 02-17-2008 05:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for ejham  Send Email to ejham     
I have seen the boat (1985 Montauk ) in person..the owner is a commercial pilot and has LOTS of toys that he never used or uses...he is only home 3 or 4 days a month....the boat also has a built in gas tank under the center consol..and a 4.5hp (ithink)kicker motor mounted in the back also an evinrude...swim platform etc. thanks for the info, ej
ejham posted 02-17-2008 05:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for ejham  Send Email to ejham     
Boat has not been in the water since 2005
Dave Sutton posted 02-17-2008 05:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dave Sutton  Send Email to Dave Sutton     
Buy it.

Sounds like a clone of the boat I bought, also owned by a professonal pilot (and bought by one, me!). Mine had a Yamaha on it, but the boat looked and smelled new. Similarly it had not been in the water for two years. I was *happy* to pay $10,500 for it last summer. Sounds like it's a good deal. Budget a few bucks for 'unknowns' and you'll do well.

Dave

dscew posted 02-17-2008 05:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for dscew  Send Email to dscew     
At the risk of sounding stereotypical, airline pilots are usually a pretty meticulous bunch (I thank all of them for that every time we land safely). Most of them also have nice toys and they are meticuous with them, too. So, some of your fears can be minimized purely by looking at his occupation and his "lots of toys." Jeffs22outrage has good points, and Dave Sutton is probably right, too: BUY IT. I say RUN before it's gone.
Dave Sutton posted 02-17-2008 08:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dave Sutton  Send Email to Dave Sutton     
Yup... buy it or tell me where to buy it.... ;-)

Sea Trial: Generally a good idea on a complex boat, but on a simple boat like this? It's going to run exactly the same as any other Montauk. At that price you will likely be competing with other buyers to get it, and the seller will likely sell to the "least hassle" buyer. Stick a garden hose on the engine, start it, and then buy it.

Not taking my own advice (naturally), I bought mine without even doing that. It was a case of "I have four guys coming today, you want it or not?". I wrote a check and have been pleased ever since. On yours, the engine has how many hours on it? It's NEW. Budget for a carb overhaul and hook it to your car and RUN AWAY before the seller wakes up.


Dave

ejham posted 02-17-2008 09:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for ejham  Send Email to ejham     
I bought it!
Thanks for the info.
the boat also has hydrolic tilt and trim..i am new to boating so i'm not sure if this is standard equiptment or not
friend99 posted 02-17-2008 10:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Ejham,

Like I said in my first post to you, if everything checks out on the boat $8,000 is an excellent price (not a fair price as Jeff indicates). If it truely is in show room condition I think its worth about $3,000 more.... so like Dave Sutton said......"buy it or tell me where to buy it".

Jeff might think you need an exhaustive list of questions to go over but, I greatly beg to differ. I buy and sell boats and it would take me 45 minutes to an hour to completely look at a simple boat like this. Jeff's 19 page check list is okay if you are buying a bigger, more expensive and complicated boat. For a simple 17' Montauk (that is already underpriced by $3,000) however, it is EXTREME OVERKILL! By the time you read Jeff's 19 pages, the boat will be long gone. Furthermore, asking the seller for a sea trail on an $8,000 boat that is already under priced by $3,000 is ridiculous. DON'T DO IT! The longer you wait to "seal the deal" the more of a chance you have of someone else buying the boat.

I am not saying you buy the boat hastily with your eyes closed. As I said in my first post, if you don't have the knowledge to inspect the boat, hire a qualified boat surveyor and pay him to do it. You or the boat surveyor should make sure the boat has all the proper paperwork and hull ID, all original equipment, that the hull is in good condition (e.g. no major damage, no soft spots, no rotten wood, no water infiltration, etc) and that the motor and lower unit have no major problems. EXPECT that the carbs will have to be rebuilt or cleaned, the water pump and thermostats replaced, complete tune-up and maybe replace some cables. This is all minor B.S. for a like new boat that is severly under priced. One more thing, if it were me, I would not look over anxious. You may wind up paying the full ask price of $8,000, but I would start with an offer of $7,300 to $7,500 (offering less than $7,300 may piss him off). I always use this stragegy and about 75% of the time I actually buy the boat for even less than the "great asking price".

By the way, I will give you a "finders fee" if you want to tell me where it is! :).

Well, good luck and let us know what you do.

dscew posted 02-17-2008 10:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for dscew  Send Email to dscew     
Always gaming. Always. Can you read? HE BOUGHT IT.
friend99 posted 02-17-2008 10:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
ejham,

I see your last post was "delayed" and it posted while I was typing to you.

Anyway, CONGRATULATIONS on your first boat purchase and welcome to the family of Boston Whaler owners!

It sounds like you got a fantastic deal on your first BW like many CW members already expressed to you. When you see a great deal like that you have to act quickly, or it will be sold to someone else and I'm glad you did that. By the way, the hydrolic tilt and trim was not standard and it is an upgrade that people are willing to pay for. So you did good there too!

I am curious....did you sea trial the boat? LOL.

On a serious note.....did you pay full ask of $8,000?

Thanks and best of luck!

Friend

jeffs22outrage posted 02-17-2008 11:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
Every boat is different and reviewing a check list reminds you about things to look for. Do each one of those questions needs answers? Nope. But it is reassuring to know as much as you can about what you are buying. Honestly, I only fill the check list out when I am surveying a whaler for someone else. Otherwise I can get through it in my head looking at the boat in person in less than 20 minutes. Over the phone in about the same amount of time. If you are looking at the boat as something to keep for a long time you need to make sure it is what you expect and need it to be for the coming years. If you are looking at the boat as "If it craps out tomorrow I will just resell it and I might get out of it what I paid." then just hand over the money and take it.

I stand by the fact that sea trials go a long way to confirming the condition of a motor. If it takes a deposit to hold the boat to keep it from being sold do that to buy you to to really check the boat over. If you can not do a sea trial compression test the motor. I have never bought a boat with out doing either. If the motor ends up being crap.

Is $8000 for a nice hull and trailer still a good deal?

Honestly it sounds like you got a good boat for the price. Congrats on your purchase. Hopefully you will have many hours of great use on the boat.

Just for reference we sold our family's 1984 Montauk 2 years ago and it sold for over 4k more than what you bought yours for. It sold to the first person to look at it. Boat was truly like new with a lower hours motor, brand new trailer, Custom Console and RPS cover, custom mooring cover, and mills dodger. Boat was only used in the great lakes from the time it was new and when it was not in the water it was indoors under a cover.

Here is the boat.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v427/jeff_rohlfing/dads%20whaler/

You will love the boat. I still personally feel that this was the best all around boat Whaler ever made.

friend99 posted 02-18-2008 12:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Jeff....just curious why you told ejham in your first post that "if everything checks out $8,000 is a pretty fair price" and then after he bought the boat you tell him in your second post that you sold a similiar boat in similiar condition for $12,000?

Just seems a little strange to me that you did not tell ejham in your first post that $8k was a steal for that boat (assuming everything checks out), since it sounds like the boat he was looking at was in at least as good as condition as the one you sold for $12k, plus the boat ejham was looking at had an aluminum trailer and hydro steering which your boat did not have.

After reading both of your posts, some people could interpet your first post as trying to steer ejham away from buying that boat.

friend99 posted 02-18-2008 12:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Jeff....just curious why you told ejham in your first post that "if everything checks out $8,000 is a pretty fair price" and then after he bought the boat you tell him in your second post that you sold a similiar boat in similiar condition for $12,000?

Just seems a little strange to me that you did not tell ejham in your first post that $8k was a steal for that boat (assuming everything checks out), since it sounds like the boat he was looking at was in at least as good as condition as the one you sold for $12k, plus the boat ejham was looking at had an aluminum trailer and hydro steering which your boat did not have.

After reading both of your posts, some people could interpet your first post as trying to steer ejham away from buying that boat.

friend99 posted 02-18-2008 12:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Jeff....just curious why you told ejham in your first post that "if everything checks out $8,000 is a pretty fair price" and then after he bought the boat you tell him in your second post that you sold a similiar boat in similiar condition for $12,000?

Just seems a little strange to me that you did not tell ejham in your first post that $8k was a steal for that boat (assuming everything checks out), since it sounds like the boat he was looking at was in at least as good as condition as the one you sold for $12k, plus the boat ejham was looking at had an aluminum trailer and hydro steering which your boat did not have.

After reading both of your posts, some people could interpet your first post as trying to steer ejham away from buying that boat.

friend99 posted 02-18-2008 12:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Sorry for the mutiple posting of the same post. My computer "hung up" when I hit send and it went through multiple times as i tried to unfree it.

Again, my apologies to all.

Dan posted 02-18-2008 12:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dan  Send Email to Dan     
I don't read F's pedantic boring posts for the same reason I flush without looking, I mean what's the point? Both are filled with the same thing.
RLwhaler posted 02-18-2008 02:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for RLwhaler  Send Email to RLwhaler     
Ejham,
Congrats dude!next question,where the pictures?!!

Best,
Richard
home Aside posted 02-18-2008 08:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Ejham,
Congrats & good luck with your new to you Montauk, you'll like it for sure...how about some photo's when you get a chance.....

Pat

Contender25 posted 02-18-2008 08:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for Contender25  Send Email to Contender25     
Congrats on the new boat!!

8K is a very good price for that boat and in a few years if you decided to sell you could most likely get your money, if not more back.

Friend99- please take the time to actually read his posts within this thread nowhere does he state the boat has hyd steering, it has hyd tilt/trim, do you actually read posts or just look for little anomalies within threads to post about to try to drag good members of this site down?

Keep it up, the hole your digging is almost getting big enough for your ego to fit in, maybe after you put your ego into the hole you have dug jimh will finally bury you with one keystroke......

jeffs22outrage posted 02-18-2008 09:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
In todays world 8 is a pretty fair price for a good Montauk. 2 - 4 years ago it could have been a steal if in very good condition. But peoples idea of what good, very good, and great condition can really vary greatly. If we saw good quality pictures and it truly is like new then 8k is even a better price and maybe a steel. I have not seen the boat, nor would I bet you have so, making a firm statement of value is irresponsible. Just like buying a boat with out knowing what you are getting. Now being irresponsible still has a chance of working out in the end of course but, you weigh the risk over possible benefit. If it is in your comfort level then great. Buy it.

I posted images and a rough price of our Montauk was a gauge against what I thought very good or great condition was. Our Montauk was seen buy a number of members here at many get togethers. These members were not just some schmoes off the site, they are some of the most long standing and respected members of the site. I am in the Great Lakes, if you know that, you should know the members I boat with. All of them could not believe the condition of the boat and even spoke highly of the boat on there own accord here. Some also posted images of it to comment about it. So with that most people when the boat came up or sale knew what kind of boat they were getting. A rare perfect one. So the boat had history with the members here, that helped I am sure bring the price it did. Also, the boat was listed just like my Outrage, at a price where if someone was willing to pay top dollar for it they were welcome to have it. The asking price had little to do with market conditions. With whalers moving like they were at that time it was still a bit above market. Today, could our boat bring the same price? Maybe but it would have to be to the right person and I bet it would take a lot longer to sell. Seems most 1980's 17's at 10k or more are not moving like they used to. 10 or a little below is a good sweet spot for a very good Montauk.

So, until I seeing pictures of the boat I still hold firm 8 is a pretty fair and honest price. Though seeing it person would be better. Any way these are just my thoughts (not yours) everyone is welcome to spend there money as they see fit. After all like my grandfather always said "There is truly an @ss for every seat."

jeffs22outrage posted 02-18-2008 09:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
Sorry, Just like I said before "Every ones idea of what good, very good, and great are can greatly vary..." My idea of the term "pretty fair price" is: "Not to shabby of a price. Or, a pretty good price." Hope that help clarify myself.
deepwater posted 02-18-2008 09:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
ejham,,congrats on the Montauk you have just bought the biggest jet sky made,,its small but big and its quick always wear your pfd and kill lanyard
BlueMax posted 02-18-2008 10:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax  Send Email to BlueMax     
Jeff - I like the one piece cover for cooler, console adn pilot seat, was that a custom (after market) or BW factory (dealer) job?

Andy

BlueMax posted 02-18-2008 10:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax  Send Email to BlueMax     
PS - I took the guide you provided as just that - a check list for guidance. I do operational testing for the Marine Corps and our checklist for ensuring we have everything covered going into test includes ensuring coordination for HALO and LALO... well, as you can expect, not every single test incorporates High Altitude Low Opening or Low Atltitude Low Opening parchute drops.... but it is in the check list. Yeah - I think most of us using your comprehensive list would know enough that if it doesn't pertain, it doesn't have to be worried about. PLUS - it is a good solid thought out guide of things you mmight not have thought about - even if you decide they aint worth worryin' over. (Heeeeyyyy, wait a minute .... this Montauk has no cuddy cabin.... what's going on here.... it's on my checklist...!Sheesh!) :-)

PSS - Thank you for sharing and providing that comprehensive, well thought out purchasing/inspection guide to all of us for free! A lot of time, thought and effort shared with no compensation asked.... just like using Jim's marketplace huh?

Thanks again - and I would like to know a little more about the all-in-one cover, I may have to look in to having one made for myself for summer months.

Andy

jeffs22outrage posted 02-18-2008 10:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
Thanks Andy,

I will look to see what other images I have of the cover to email to you. It was a custom piece made by a great local source. He only made two of them. One for us and one for a friend of ours. Email or call me and I would be glad to tell you more.

friend99 posted 02-18-2008 11:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Thanks for the clarification Jeff, including your definition of "pretty fair price".

Not trying to stir the post, but it would have been helpful if you posted your boat pictures in your first post and said "here is a similiar boat that I sold for $12,000". That way this first time boat buyer could have compared the "like new" boat he was looking at to your 84 Montauk instead of not even knowing you sold a similiar boat for $4k more. Again, just a suggestion for the future to help out the novice Boston Whaler buyer when they come to us for advice.

By the way, in my opinion, there are more "rare perfect boats" out there then many believe. Just because these owners do not post on, or know about, CW does not mean they do not exist. I have bought many boats on the east coast that were one owner, garage kept like new boats.

I agree with you that different people have different ideas on what is considered, good, very good, excellent and show room condition, but to quote ejham the boat he was looking at "never been in salt water and has less than 100 hours on motor...been housed inside and looks new...the Teak wood trim even looks new..not a scratch on the boat". You are right in that I have not seen the boat, but those are pretty strong descriptive words used in ejhams description and when you read the history of who owned the boat ( a pilot with many toys) and why the boat was used so little, it all makes sense. I would be willing to bet that ejham found one of those "rare perfect boats", and paying $8,000 for it was a steal.

Again, we are all just trying to help out the "newbie" boat buyer. Sometimes we don't realize it, but our comments may be interpeted the wrong way. Therefore, I would like to apologize if it appeared I was saying that ejham should buy the boat irresponsibly. I thought I was clear that he should throughly check out the hull and motor (including a compression test on all cylinders) and if he did not have the proper knowledge he should hire a qualified boat surveyor, but sometimes people misunderstand.

Once again ejham...CONGRATS and welcome to the BW family!

P.S. Jeff....did not mean to "knock" your buying guide checklist. It is very nice of you to share it with everyone and it is a good tool when buying an expensive larger complex boat, but my concern is that a "newbie" looking to purchase a "simple" 13' or 15' sport, or a 17' Montauk will be intimidated by the 19 pages. Maybe if I get some time, I will develope a buying check list for a "simple" BW boat and share it with everyone.

BlueMax posted 02-18-2008 12:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax  Send Email to BlueMax     
Friend - Here you go:

1) Is it damaged / has it been damaged and repaired?
2) Does it run?
3) Do you like it?
4) Are you willing to pay the asking price?
5) Decide to purchase or to pass.

Done.

jeffs22outrage posted 02-18-2008 12:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
Well I took all the questions out that seemed to relate to larger whalers out and I was still at 16 pages. Here is the updated download for smaller whalers:
http://www.whalercentral.com/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=2& thread_id=1579&getfile=17632

If you want a really short list here you go. These are the down and dirty BASIC questions I ask when calling a whaler to gauge the boat in question:

What Model of whaler is the boat?

What Year is the boat?

How long has the seller owned the boat?

What are the HIN and/or stencil numbers?

Does the boat still have the OEM seating and helm/console?

Is the boat missing any OEM hardware and / or have any OEM parts been altered?

Where has the boat been used during it's life?

Where and how is it stored?

What is the conditon of the exterior? Shinny, dull, scratched and full of repairs? Any bottom paint?

What is the condition of the interior? Are there and spider cracks or UV crazing? Any areas of repairs or unsealed holes?

What condition is the green line or transom cap in? Are there any cracks forming?

Are there any cracks around or in the splashwell area?

What condition is the wood in?

What condition are the brass thru hulls in? When were they last replaced?

What year is the motor? 2 or 4 stroke? Estimated Hours? What overall condition is the motor in? Does it run? Has it been compression tested? If so what where the numbers? How often has the lower unit lube been changed?

What props came with the boat?

What does the boat have for fuel tanks? If plastic or fiberglass what is the tank's vintage?

Have the fuel lines been replaced?

What does the boat have for electronics and what are their vintages?

Do the running lights work? Does the boat still have the OEM lights?

Is there canvas? If so so what and how old is it?

Is there a trailer? If so what year is it? Aluminum, galvanized, or painted? Bunk or roller? Do the lights work? What condition are the tire and bearings in? What conditon is the bunk/rollers in and what about the winch? What size ball does the trailer take?

If it all checks out to be a fair sounding boat, and the asking price is with in range, I then go in person and inspect it if I can. If I can not I have asked another member close to the boat to look at it for me.

ejham posted 02-18-2008 03:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for ejham  Send Email to ejham     
Thanks for all the info guys...I posted the original hopeing to get some kind of feedback...I didn't expect this much feedback so quickly...you guys must really be into the BWs...just got the title, he is the original owner of the boat and has all the paperwork of service..not knowing much about boats...the boat not being in the water since 2005..I want to take it and have the motor serviced...what do I need to tell the mechanic so he doesn't realize that I know nothing about motors and tries to do things that are not necessary....again thanks for the info and quick response, ej
ejham posted 02-18-2008 03:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for ejham  Send Email to ejham     
Wi1l put pics of the boat on soon !
friend99 posted 02-18-2008 04:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
ejham....your welcome.

As far as a marine mechanic is concerned, you should try and get referrals for a good, honest one (there are many good honest ones out there). If you can't get a referral, talk/interview a few. Ask them what they think will need to be done and to give you a rough estimate of cost range. If you do this, you will get a good idea who is a B.S. artist and who is honest. The normal stuff that may/should need be done to a boat not in the water for 3 years would be a complete tune-up, carbs cleaned, water pump and thermostat replacement, filters replaced, lower gear oil, maybe gas tank flushed/replaced, maybe fuel lines replaced, etc. Whatever you do, have the marine mechanic give you an estimate BEFORE he starts the work. If he won't do that, find another marine mechanic. If the estimate sounds too high, go pick up your boat and take it to another marine mechanic. Should be about $400 to $800 with parts and labor, depending on what you need, to get that motor "humming".

I can't wait to see the pics and how nice the boat is. Please post a number of pictures of the inside and outside.

A one owner boat, that has been used so little and kept in a garage its entire life should be pretty awesome.....which is what I, and almost all other CW members suspected, from your original description.

Congrats again!

dscew posted 02-18-2008 05:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for dscew  Send Email to dscew     
[If you do this, you will get a good idea who is a B.S. artist and who is honest.]

I think we all KNOW who is a B.S. artist and who is honest.

Tohsgib posted 02-19-2008 10:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
I would personally clean the carbs & filters, replace waterpump & thermos, and lower unit oil. Grease engine fittings and go. As far as fuel lines and crap go, I would not bother if they look good and not cracked, etc. if tank is kinda low, just fill with 93 octane. If it still has VRO, I personally would have it disconnected. 1985 was the start of VRO and not the best...they later got it down pretty good but an 85 would be disconnected if I owned it. Have them grease trailer bearings as well.
Tohsgib posted 02-19-2008 10:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
I should not have said 1985 was the strat of VRO but it was the 2nd year it came standard on 90hp so pretty close.
kazankota posted 02-19-2008 10:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for kazankota  Send Email to kazankota     
I bought my 1987 Montauk last year with original 87 Mercury 70 hp. The fuel lines looked great but the boat hadn't been in the water in 3 years and I wasn't sure the age of the line (flushed prior to use). After running for a bit the fuel lines got clogged up everything had this gel like substance in it the entire line and the siphon ball was affected. I believe that this was related to either the type of material the fuel line was made of or a reaction to residues in the line with the hicher content ethanol fuels. So IMO it may be a good and cheap way of avoiding that issue by getting a new line.
Slippery Eel posted 02-20-2008 09:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for Slippery Eel  Send Email to Slippery Eel     
I bought my 79 Montauk in 1982 for 8K. Never looked back. You got an awesome deal!

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