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froberts posted 02-22-2008 02:39 PM ET (US)   Profile for froberts   Send Email to froberts  
I have looked at a 88 Montuak with a 90 hp(the motor is dead with bolts removed out of the head). The owner wants 5000 dollars. The hull seems to be in very good shape, the interior shows some age (seat cusion is torn,the boat has some minor spider crackes and the transom has some holes repaired from an old ladder)but looks in pretty good shape.The boat is being sold with the motor but the owner is not charging for the motor. Just wondering if this is a good deal.
Longisland13 posted 02-22-2008 02:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Longisland13  Send Email to Longisland13     
I agree
Tohsgib posted 02-22-2008 03:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Not really a good deal but worth pursuing and try to get close to $4k. You can always sell the engine for a couple hundred for parts but maybe he will sell you w/o engine for $4k and he can make some of it back.
froberts posted 02-22-2008 04:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for froberts  Send Email to froberts     
i believe he might take 4500 but i think, he thinks the motor is junk and would not want to remove, and be stuck taking to the dump. I almost bought a brand new 17 montuak in 1994 for 11500, but bought a 21 foot proline, i have wished, i had bought the whaler. The price of new and used whalers have really gone up. I looked at a 94 boat and motor this year and was more than i would have paided in 94. NADA boat value does not mean much when it comes to whalers. Same as john deere tractors.
Tohsgib posted 02-22-2008 11:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
For $4500 you will get back $300-800 in used engine parts if you want to do the work. I would do the deal but I am pretty good with some tools and selling the parts.
fabricator posted 02-23-2008 08:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for fabricator  Send Email to fabricator     
Is the rest of the engine worth salvaging? It may make economical sense to replace the powerhead - with new/reman or used.
froberts posted 02-23-2008 10:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for froberts  Send Email to froberts     
the motor seems to be all there,i think the guy tried to fix and then gave up. He left all the parts in the motor and did not bolt back. The motor is a 90 HP Johnson (88) i was hoping to rebuild myself,but all the rebuild sites talk about special machining for the power head. Did not know if this is a sales pitch or the truth. To totally rebuild the 90 it would cost between 2700-3000. dont know witch way would be best. The wife would like me to keep the cost down but still have a decent boat.
ratherwhalering posted 02-23-2008 11:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for ratherwhalering  Send Email to ratherwhalering     
A boat without power is a liability, and should be priced as such. You are looking at weeks of down time, thousands of dollars in parts and mechanic bills, and an uncertain outcome. When all is said and done, after one season of average boating you will have a 20 year old boat and 20 year old motor.

The exact same boat and running engine would fetch only a few thousand dollars more. So do you drop 3k to gain 3k in value? Seems like a great idea, except if anything else goes south on that 20 year old motor, you are now playing the ever-so-popular tail chase game. Every time you spin around, its another $100. (I know, I play it, and so has everyone else here by the way, though those with some semblence of pride left will deny it.)

The long and short of it is that a hull isn't worth squat without an engine. If you are mechanically inclined, like to bargain shop, and have the time, energy, and motivation to attend to a repower/rebuild project, then make an offer that makes sense, taking into account all of the above.

I have to go now, I just saw something behind me and I have to chase it with a fistful of $100 bills. I'll get it this time for sure...

--Rob--

fpelton posted 02-23-2008 11:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for fpelton  Send Email to fpelton     
The trick is to make the wife believe that you are listening to hear (like when you get home from work).

Some of the elders can actually get their wives to believe it was "their" idea to purchase the boat they want. That is far beyond my skills.

It takes years of practice. Try leaving E-tec pamphlets around the house. When she picks one up and says, "This looks like a nice motor" Try to seem uninterested, and then compliment her... "did you lose weight?" "I'm so lucky to have you in my life" etc...

A solid whaler with a new engine... now your talking!

Good luck!

friend99 posted 02-23-2008 01:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
I would not pay $4,500 for it. There are many good deals on 1980's Montauks. I know many purists would prefer to buy a boat with no motor and re-power, but most people don't, so this boat will not be that easy for him to sell. If you really want the boat go down there and take out an envelope with forty $100 bills in it (assuming everything with the hull checks out okay). Tell him there is $4,000 in the envelope and he can take it or leave it. Also tell him if he does not take it now, your offer will go down by $300 if he says he will take it at a later time. If he says no, get back in your truck and go home and look for another boat.

Good luck and let us know how you make out.

deepwater posted 02-23-2008 05:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
is there a trailed with the boat,,if so whats the condition ,,what about other gear like anchors jackets electronics ropes spare props ,,it all adds up
deepwater posted 02-23-2008 05:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
sorry it should read ,,trailer,,
froberts posted 02-23-2008 06:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for froberts  Send Email to froberts     
There is no gear for this boat. It is also missing the prop,but the motor is not being charged for. The seat cushion is missing and the console teak door is gone. The anchor locker latch is also missing. The steering is locked up, and dont know if the controls are working well since the motor is broken. Don't know the price of these things for whalers but i think whaler really likes there parts from what i have read on this site
Bulldog posted 02-23-2008 06:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bulldog  Send Email to Bulldog     
This is why it is real tough to give prices on line. The boat sounds like it is getting worse with every post. Save your marriage and listen to you wife, keep looking! The boat you are looking at needs someone who really knows what is up or about twenty pictures. You will have a lot of work to do when getting it home, and as others have said what you see is always better then when you get into it. Around my area on the East coast the boat with a running motor is worth probably what he is asking...Jack
deepwater posted 02-23-2008 07:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
so basically your getting a hull full of trash,, hell you should be charging him for a tipping fee
froberts posted 02-23-2008 09:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for froberts  Send Email to froberts     
I know the boat is not perfect,but on a scale of 1-10 i would say the hull is a 8 even with all the fauls.In the southeast i rarly find a montuak (which i been looking for 3 years) that does not have problems.If you can buy a 2000-2005 you find a perfect boat but the cost is between 15000 and 23000. I was planning on a one year project that would end with a pretty sound boat. my question has been answered about price, seem 4000 would be a good price and a 88 rebuilt johnson is still a 88 johnson. i've had a proline,26000,vip,13000,and edwater 16000.I hope to finish with a whaler (used that does not cost me 8500 from start to finish). If any of you know where the best places are to get a good deal on a whaler is please reply. Ebay is a source but all the boats that have been within one hundred mile that i went to see were junk. No wonder they were not being sold locally and were put on ebay with poor pictures.
gvisko posted 02-23-2008 09:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for gvisko  Send Email to gvisko     
I would walk away and keep looking.


George V

bretm1 posted 02-23-2008 09:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for bretm1  Send Email to bretm1     
Good luck with your venture. Kind of a mixed bunch of responses on your question. I would say that the 17 Montauk seems to not lose a tremendous amount of value with old power or no power.

If you are able to pull the powerhead, have it rebuilt, and then put it back in yourself, you may be able to save a bit of money on a rebuild, but it still would come in around 1500 to 2000. I think your best bet is to bring the powerhead to more of an engine shop that does outboards because most boatyard shops don't do this. They would rather spend their time convincing you to pay 8,000.00 to put in a new engine, etc.

Once you rebuild it this way, even it is 3,000.00 you are left with a boat that will fetch 6500 to 8000 dollars. This is based upon a project I did myself and also from what I've seen.

I personally think this leaves you in a good position. You have yourself in a classic Montauk with a freshly rebuilt albeit older engine. I would have just as much security with that as I would with the same year boat with a "newer" engine.

For reference, three years ago I bought a 1987 Montauk with a running 1987 70hp Yamaha for 7500.00 (with trailer). The engine went on it and I pulled the powerhead and had it rebuilt for about 1700. I used the boat for another year and sold it for what I paid for it. My boat sounds like it was in the same or slightly worse condition than yours.

bretm1 posted 02-23-2008 10:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for bretm1  Send Email to bretm1     
One thing I forgot that had initially caught my attention were the "holes" you mentioned from the ladder.

Not to create a panic, but If they are below the waterline and the boat was in the water with them unfilled you may want to make sure that this boat didn't take on water over time which could have gotten in to the transom. Stick a screwdriver through them into the plywood to see if it is soft.

froberts posted 02-23-2008 10:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for froberts  Send Email to froberts     
thanks for the reply BretM1. I hope to keep the boat for 20 years if i buy. I feel, if i can get the guy down to 4000 i wont lose if i do the work my self, minus the power head. It's one of the best whalers (montauk)i have seen even with it's problems. Most are reel dogs, the local whalers that have been on ebay, i usually keep in my fovorites to see what they sell for. I know the high bidders that travel to pick up the boat, are i paided what for that! If any of yall know a good area of the country to look for a 1995-1987 whaler(montauk) that is in good shape please let me know
froberts posted 02-23-2008 10:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for froberts  Send Email to froberts     
yes the holes are below the water line but i think the guy might have a problem with a screwdriver. Is there any otherway to find out if the plywood is messed up
deepwater posted 02-23-2008 10:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
you could try an icepick,,and if he has a problem with you checking for transom rot than You got a real problem,, by the way you never said if it has a trailer ,, if it does find a local scale and get a total weight on the boat motor trailer we can help you figure out the weights of everything
froberts posted 02-23-2008 10:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for froberts  Send Email to froberts     
It haS a couple year old alum Trailer. VERRY NICE 1000 ON PAPER PROBABLY PAID 2000
bretm1 posted 02-24-2008 11:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for bretm1  Send Email to bretm1     

Don't get overwhelmed with this(I know I would) and miss an opportunity to create something that falls into your means. You win some and once in a while (especially with boats) you lose a little.

I think you should consider bringing someone here from the forum for support. Isn't that what this is about? Helping each other. Ask for someone in your area to help.

On the trailer, if it is newer and included(I hope it is) in that price. All the better. Many times on older boats the trailer is worth more than the boat, but I wouldn't say that in the case of most Boston Whalers.

On potential transom rot on a Montauk 17 there would be a couple questions I would want to know. One is, did the ladder pull out from the transom? If so, many times that means the screws stripped out and/or the plywood in that vicinity may have rotted. Secondly I would thenm want to know what may have crept into the foam subsequently causing water logging. Just use a small thin flathead screwdriver or a key.

I bought a 1977 19 Revenge which had two holes on each side (down low) from a former trim tab installation. They were plugged with marinetex or something like that. I bought this boat just through pictures and sweated out potential water log concerns etc and there were no issues. I had some great use out of that boat.

You can weigh it on the trailer at a landfill or somewhere that has a large scale. Or you could dump it in the water to see how it sits.

IT IS PROBABLY FINE.

A part of me wants to say, just go get the boat for the deal you work out and go from there.

Also, if you can at all keep it forever, do so. I wish I could have kept my 1987 17 Montauk in all its faded glory, just to have around.

Good luck.

friend99 posted 02-24-2008 08:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Froberts,

I am in Mantoloking, NJ. I don't know where you are, or the boat is, but if you are within 90 minutes, I will come look at the boat with you (free of charge).

Friend

froberts posted 02-24-2008 09:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for froberts  Send Email to froberts     
I am in SC, a friend of mine ( IN my sunday school) is the service manager for the local Boston Whaler Dealer. I talked to him this morning about the boat, he said he had seen and he would not offer more than 3500.Then he told me about a Montauk that has been on there lot for about a year. He said the boat was in very good condition and he would try to get me a good price. I told him that i had seen the boat 7 months ago and a sales person had allready given me a price of 10000 for the boat, motor and trailer. He then told me it sounded like the sales person was going to make a lot of money off me and that they didn't give any more than low book value on it, when he bought a 25 foot whaler. So i have two choices,the good shape boat that been at the dealer for 1 year or the project boat that that has been sitting for sale for seven months. I guess i will have to see what price i can get from my friend
Tohsgib posted 02-25-2008 12:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Wow...what a pal!
froberts posted 02-26-2008 02:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for froberts  Send Email to froberts     
Went back to look at the whaler and checked some of the things yall had said to check. looked it over real good and found 15 drilled holes in the hull, plus swim ladder had fell off. I must have been blind the first time i checked it out. pistons removed engine harness cut and controls junk.Thanks for all the advice, and saving my marrige. The boat at the dealership had just sold for 11200. Back to the drawing board
kwik_wurk posted 02-26-2008 04:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for kwik_wurk  Send Email to kwik_wurk     
So it seems to me that you have a boat you need to pass on. (Or get a better price like ~3k)

You'll have to pump in 3.5-4k to get used engine/controls/installation...so might as well wait for the next boat.

And who knows what the holes can lead to.

Just pass on the boat and keep looking. Don't be afraid to go out of your local/regional market. (Especially if you have something to tow with.)

Good luck. The happiest days of your life are the day you buy a boat, and the day you sell it.

friend99 posted 02-26-2008 09:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Froberts.........forget that boat! Too many things that need to be addressed. Keep looking. The boat market is horrible and you should be able to find a desperate buyer and buy one very cheap. If they want top dollar, or even fair market value, walk away. Plenty of deals to be had elsewhere. In a soft market like this, you don't need to pay market value or more....just wait for a desperate seller to come along and get a great deal! Good luck!

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