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ORGramps posted 03-03-2008 04:30 PM ET (US)   Profile for ORGramps   Send Email to ORGramps  
I've only done a few posts as I keep looking for a smaller Whaler that I can use for fishing central Oregon lakes (and perhaps a trip to the coast or Puget a few times). I'm an "old" retired guy who would like to have a few years of Whaler boating/fishing experience and want something I can trailer easily and will be easy to get in and out of the water. Well, yesterday I came across a 15.5' Dauntless (1995) that really looks to be in great shape. It has a 75 hp two stroke Force (Mercury) and a 9.9 hp Mercury, storage canvas, and full canvas (bimini, side curtains and bow canvas). The Force has less than 70 hours. The hull appears scratch free except it was "bumped" on the stern (port corner) and has some"unprofessional repair (about a square inch). Everything else is pristine clean. I'm dealing with the boat's second owner. Apparently the first owner had the boat in storage for about ten years. The engines have been dealer winterized every year.

It also has a "lift wing" (sorry about the limited vocabulary), attached just above the propellor housing on the Force. I understand that this boat tends to be stern heavy and needs some help to get up on plane.

From reading other discussion threads I know there are some Dauntless owners of this size and vintage who are members of Continuous wave.

Can anyone give me some insight on other things I should look for? I know the boat market is down now and I believe I have a very good price-$8500.

Thanks in advance for your comments.

Mambo Minnow posted 03-04-2008 11:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Mambo Minnow  Send Email to Mambo Minnow     
I had a 1998 Dauntless 15. It was a great little boat. I towed it with a V6 Camry and could easily launch and recover alone.

It was a very dry 15 foot boat, that I found easy to use either at the sea or mountain lakes. I found the accutrac semi-v hull cut through small chop easily and you could "surf" downside of two foot ocean swell. Any clarger chop and the 15 foot length started to show it was too short to handle the waves comfortably. You have to pick your days far from the leeward shore. It's a terrific lake boat and can handle most anything you will encounter.

That is a Doelfin or Stingray fin on the outboard. 75HP was the max power rating for this model. It is a stern heavy design, so you could not get a four stroke outboard of comparable horsepower on there. I am surprised he has a kicker motor on there too.

Check the waterline in the water. Also check the scuppers on the transom for wear or tear. Water intrusion onto the rear deck from failing rubber flaps on the scupper was another commonly reported problem.

I sold mine two years ago and the buyer installed an Evinrude E-tec with success. The fin was a common corrective tool for some porpoising that was noticeable in certain RPM ranges.

This one for sale sounds like it has alot of canvas which makes price attractive. If it has the bow cushion, swim ladder those were optional accessories, too. I sold mine for more in a bull market, but that price sounds fair to me in this market, with those extras and the additional age of the boat.

witsendfl posted 03-05-2008 12:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for witsendfl  Send Email to witsendfl     
I am purchasing our 3rd Dauntless/Justice tonight. The largest Whaler I have owned is a Montauk and a Katama. Both powered with 90 HP motors. The 2 Daunltess' 1998 and a 1996 had a 60 Merc and a 70 Yamaha. Both where adequate but always preferred more power vs. less. I happen to like the 15 Dauntless better than both the stanard 15 and the 17 Montauk. I think it is a better ride and more comfortable. At $8500 you cannot go wrong. You will always be able to sell it for what you paid for it. Great nimble little boat that will give you plenty of memories.

Go for it...you won't be disappointed at all

witsendfl
Jim K.

Tohsgib posted 03-05-2008 01:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Reason she is cheap is the Force engine on it. Not that it is a bad engine, just a Kia compared to a Lexus.
thediscusthrower posted 03-05-2008 03:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for thediscusthrower  Send Email to thediscusthrower     
In late Fall 2004, I paid $6750 for my 1995 15' Dauntless with a 1996 70 hp Evinrude and a 1995 Calkins trailer. It is my first boat and I still love it. Did a ton of cosmetic work to it for about 7 months of continuous weekends back in 2004-2005 and the usual mechanical replacements to the trailer (e.g., new bearings/races, bunks/support bracketry, clean roller pins/rollers so they would turn, LED lights, etc...) and motor (e.g., plugs, fuel lines, VRO oil lines, new tank, fuel lines to the tank, filters, and installation of a stainless fuel/water separator). Installed a Humminbird 585C fishfinder and Raymarine RC400 GPS unit. Mine came with pretty much all of the options for 1995 including the rear deck, but the previous original owner (I'm the third) did not order the boat with the fishing seat setup. I believe the sticker when it was new was low $16k.

The boat is very dry. It is also easy to clean, trailer, and dump in and out of the dock. I get a ton of compliments every place I take it. It's like having that awesome looking dog you take to the park to meet women! LOL.

I take it in the Delaware River, Delaware Bay (NJ side), off the beaches of NJ and thru the some sometimes nasty inlets, e.g., Cape May's Cold Spring. She handles more than I can handle. My boat also has a Stingray hydrofoil to limit the porpoising, which this model is known to do.

I usually limit the trips to (2) total persons due to size limitations. It's perfect for that amount. This past summer, I special-ordered the fishing seat mount for inside the front storage locker (into the bulkhead) and picked up the rear one off of ebay. Also got a good deal on ebay for both the s-shaped seat posts and Tempress "Fish-On" seats. She's fully loaded now. I'm going to try and get that back pad (similar to the 15' Montauk) to help my front passenger's from having the rod holder sticking into their back. Make it just a little more comfortable.

I can send pics if you like. Just shoot me an e-mail.

Bob

thediscusthrower posted 03-05-2008 03:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for thediscusthrower  Send Email to thediscusthrower     
In late Fall 2004, I paid $6750 for my 1995 15' Dauntless with a 1996 70 hp Evinrude and a 1995 Calkins trailer. It is my first boat and I still love it. Did a ton of cosmetic work to it for about 7 months of continuous weekends back in 2004-2005 and the usual mechanical replacements to the trailer (e.g., new bearings/races, bunks/support bracketry, clean roller pins/rollers so they would turn, LED lights, etc...) and motor (e.g., plugs, fuel lines, VRO oil lines, new tank, fuel lines to the tank, filters, and installation of a stainless fuel/water separator). Installed a Humminbird 585C fishfinder and Raymarine RC400 GPS unit. Mine came with pretty much all of the options for 1995 including the rear deck, but the previous original owner (I'm the third) did not order the boat with the fishing seat setup. I believe the sticker when it was new was low $16k.

The boat is very dry. It is also easy to clean, trailer, and dump in and out of the dock. I get a ton of compliments every place I take it. It's like having that awesome looking dog you take to the park to meet women! LOL.

I take it in the Delaware River, Delaware Bay (NJ side), off the beaches of NJ and thru the some sometimes nasty inlets, e.g., Cape May's Cold Spring. She handles more than I can handle. My boat also has a Stingray hydrofoil to limit the porpoising, which this model is known to do.

I usually limit the trips to (2) total persons due to size limitations. It's perfect for that amount. This past summer, I special-ordered the fishing seat mount for inside the front storage locker (into the bulkhead) and picked up the rear one off of ebay. Also got a good deal on ebay for both the s-shaped seat posts and Tempress "Fish-On" seats. She's fully loaded now. I'm going to try and get that back pad (similar to the 15' Montauk) to help my front passenger's from having the rod holder sticking into their back. Make it just a little more comfortable.

I can send pics if you like. Just shoot me an e-mail.

Bob

friend99 posted 03-05-2008 09:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
In my opinion, $8,500 is marginally a fair price with all the canvas, but certainly not a great price, especially with the undesirable Force motor. If you don't need/want all the canvas then you are paying for something you don't need. I bought a 15' Dauntless in Florida in January. It was not mint, but it was extremely clean. Had a strong running 70 HP Evinrude, good electronics, trailer, bimini top. I paid $6,700 from a private seller. Also, there is a 1997 that is currently listed on boats.com for $6,500 and there are a number listed in the $7,000 to $7,500 range on various boat selling sites. I think you can find a nice one for about $7,000 if you look hard enough. I would pass.
ORGramps posted 03-07-2008 12:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for ORGramps  Send Email to ORGramps     
Sorry for the delay is responding to all of the kind advice. The boat is still there although the owner has told me that they are getting queries, one as far away as Seattle.

I've been weighing the comments you have each provided about the Force motor and the price. I have talked to the dealer who originally sold the boat who is a reputable one her in town. He believes the time on the motor is probably closer to 20-30 hours. The boat has a Humingbird depth gauge/fish finder (no GPS), and a new gel battery. The canvas is a very desirable option as the weather here at 3500 feet is often cool and a boater needs some protection.

By the way, the 9.9 hp trolling engine is mounted on a welded aluminum frame set off from the transom so the a linkage can be installed allowing the steering from the console.

I went to an engine web site and checked message boards about the Force engines. They do not a good reputation although I did find comments that some owners were satisfied having spent less for their Force. I have not been able to find out what kind of commitment Mercury has made to provide parts for this engine that is no longer manufactured.

I went to Boat Trader and to boats.com and have not found a comparable boat for less than 9K+ (although none had a Force engine). I did not find the boat referenced by Friend99.

I called the owner and advised them that I have done some more homework on the boat and we talked specifically about the engine. Tonight I got a call back from the man's wife saying that they would lower the price to $8K if I would allow them to take the gel battery and the side boards they added to the trailer. The deal is getting better. Interestingly, she doesn't want to sell the boat but he does so he can get a "non-Whaler.

So, I am now stewing through the decision. No need for anyone to respond until I wrestle this one to the ground. I've had other boats. We had an 18' Glastron with a Johnson outboard. It was a great boat. I joke that at one point we had a three boat fleet at a lake home- a 12' pontoon with a Mercury engine, a 12' aluminum with a 6 hp Johnson, and a 12' pontoon pedal boat.

Many thanks for all the excellent advice. The fat lady hasn't sung yet!


PeteB88 posted 03-07-2008 01:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
IF you like it don't flinch - I'll meet you on those high lakes near Bend sometime!, Haven't been there in too long, miss my friends out there. Talk to them often esp my retired pal. You will appreciate the forward canvas when the wind starts howling.
deepwater posted 03-07-2008 09:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
ORGramps,, you are your best judge of the boat as you have laid hands on the boat,,there are people here that will try to make you second guess yourself,, if you want the whaler experience than that is a good boat to start with and go from there,, that little ding is the least that you may do to it ,,its a boat and could find a submerged crab pot ,, its OK and fixable ,,the force motor? ,,is it working than its a good motor to start with,, if you like the boat get it and than ,,Make it Your boat,,don't let someone flipper ya around
Tohsgib posted 03-07-2008 10:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
For $8k with a 9.9 Merc sounds pretty good. You can always sell the kicker for close to a grand and then it makes the deal even sweeter.
friend99 posted 03-07-2008 10:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
I agree with Tohsgib that if you buy the boat for $8k or less (I would offer less), and IF the kicker is worth $1,000 then you really paid $7k for the boat which is a lot closer to what its worth than $8,500.

By the way, I don't know why you are having difficulty finding the 15 dauntless' for sale on boats.com. There are currently two of them for sale with an asking price of $6,500 and I'm sure they can be bought for $6,000 or less.

Go to boats.com...click "buy boats" and a search form will pop up. When it does....in the "make/brand" box type Boston Whaler...in the keyword box type "Dauntless" and in the length boxes type 15 in both boxes. Then click on "no limit" for the boat location and click search at the bottom on the page.

In case you still have difficulty, I have provided the contact information for both boats below.

1997 15' Dauntless $6,500 - Brown Marine - (877) 554-2013

1995 15' Dauntless $6,500 - Nelson Yachts - (510) 337-2870

By the way, you are right that many people list 15' Dauntless' for sale for $9,000 and higher, but those prices are not realistic and they don't sell. Some of the 15' Dauntlesses for sale on Boats.com and boatrader.com for $9,000 have been for sale over a year and they will never sell at that price. The most I ever paid for a 15' Dauntless in the last 3 years was $7,500 and that one was garage kept and in like new condition.

Seems like the 15' Dauntless you are currently looking at is getting closer to fair market value when you consider the kicker motor, but I still have never seen a 15' Dauntless with a Force motor and I don't like it (in my opinion). However, you should not listen to me.....listen to your "gut" and if you want to buy it, just get a good marine mechanic to survey the boat and if it checks out, buy it. Good luck in whatever you decide.

deepwater posted 03-08-2008 09:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
CHA-CHING
Florida15 posted 03-08-2008 01:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Florida15    
Just keep in mind that when you sell it, you will get less with that Force motor.
Do not be swayed by some of the outrageous prices that some people are asking. Those boats have been for sale for ever.
Here's my experience. I bought a 1996 Dauntless 15 in about 2003 for $7200. It was nice. Had a 70 Johnson (with a stingray) on it. I kept it for 2 years and sold it for $8600.
I really think you can do better if you keep looking but that's just my opinion (and it's worth exactly what you paid for it).
deepwater posted 03-08-2008 04:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
why are you trying to talk him out of buying a boat with all this talk about its not going to be worth that much bull dip,, cars depreciate too and guns and all kinds of things ,,you,,,,,,,,,,,,, people are all about the money your losing when you sell it in a weeeeek or two,,is my montauk worth what i paid 20 years ago no ,,it better not be after i ran must all the fun out it get off the ooooooooo pore me i lost/you will loose money crap and be happy someone found a boat
ORGramps posted 03-09-2008 08:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for ORGramps  Send Email to ORGramps     
Gentlemen,
Thanks for all the comments. They are very helpful. Please be patient. The fat lady still hasn't sung!
Florida15 posted 03-09-2008 09:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Florida15    
Deepwater, he asked for advice and we are giving him our opinion. He hasn't bought the boat yet so he can use our advice to help him decide on whether to buy it or not.
It's not like he's already bought it and we are bad-mouthing his deal.
My opinion is that he had better get a great deal on it because with a Force outboard if he decides to sell it in a few years, it is going to be harder to sell and for less money than if it had a Yamaha, Johnson, Merc or any other big-name engine. Has nothing to do with depreciation, Force outboards are hard to sell, period.
friend99 posted 03-09-2008 10:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Florida15.........I agree with you 100%! ORGRAMPS asked for our opinion and we are giving it to him. I know the old B.S. many people will use in that "as long as you enjoy it, who cares what you paid" and "if you are not going to flip the boat, price does not matter". Well, of course these people are totally wrong! What you pay does matter since 6 months from now, ORGRAMPS may decide he really needs a larger boat for his needs and then nobody will offer him more than $5,000 for this boat that he paid $8,000 for. Worse yet, that Force motor blows up next week and all he is left with is a hull thats worth $4,000. OUCH!
deepwater posted 03-10-2008 12:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
Bull you went right at the force is cheep and the resale value is squat ,,,He ain't selling it in a week so why shoot holes in his motor and the value of his boat,, RESALE IS ALL YOU LOOK AT
Tohsgib posted 03-10-2008 12:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Deep...I would not buy a boat with a Force unless it came for free, even then I would never let my friends see me driving one. Kinda like a Yugo but easier to find parts for. No matter how cherry that engine is, I bet it would not fetch 1/3 the price on e-bay(engine alone) that a regular Merc would. Either run it till she blows or take a bath when resale or repower time comes if you want to sell it.
deepwater posted 03-10-2008 01:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
He is an old retired guy like me that wants to do some pond fishing and maybe a short trip or two,,, the force is fine and he can decide to repower later (if it ever blows up),, so far as being seen with a force on any boat,, so what,, its a whaler and its in the water and it don't have to go home with anyone but him,, all he wants to is get his butt wet and hes being told not to waste his money because he cant "resell it" for what he paid for it,, Its not an investment its an enjoyment and worth what ever he thinks its worth to him ,,, any day on the water is better than a day on the shore
Florida15 posted 03-10-2008 01:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Florida15    
Deepwater, do you just enjoy arguing or what ?
The guy asked for OUR opinions and mine is that a Force is a piece of crap. Forget resale value - it's junk....in MY opinion.
You say he can re-power later if it blows up. Sure , for about $7,000. Why not get a dependable motor to begin with and save the headaches and $ ?
I'm with Bigshot on this one. I wouldn't buy a Whaler with a Force on it unless the motor were pretty much free. Or at least a lot less than this seller is asking. There are too many out there with better outboards on them.
And to me, that means in the $6,000 or less range for this boat.
This isn't the only Dauntless 15' for sale in the United States.
Now, that's MY opinion. Now you give him yours and I won't say it's wrong.

deepwater posted 03-10-2008 03:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
In a nut shell Your not buying the boat he was thinking of buying the boat and than this motor is crap and this is crap and you can sell it here or there and the man just wanted a boat to go fishing in ,,frickin money men
friend99 posted 03-10-2008 09:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Its just a matter of opinion, but Bigshot and Florida15 agree with me. It does not mean the three or us are right....or that everyone else is wrong.....it just means we have the same opinion on this. I would pass on this Dauntless 15 and look for another one to buy with a Mercury, Johnson, Evenrude or Yamaha motor for about $6,000. These boats are just not worth more than that, in my opinion, and you can find many for sale in the $6k range if you look hard enough. The ones priced at $9k are dreaming or looking to "hook a big fish" on shore.

Florida15 posted 03-11-2008 08:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for Florida15    
ORGramps, Bigshot, Friend99 and I are trying to help you but take it for what you feel it's worth.
Tohsgib posted 03-11-2008 09:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Buy a 3 legged horse if ya want.
DaveS posted 03-11-2008 10:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for DaveS  Send Email to DaveS     
If you really like the boat, there's another option that'll be more work but might be worth it for you...as you can tell, there seems to be quite a bit of negativity across the forum regarding force outboards...from what I've read, they are just basic engines...not particularly well built, as Nick said, but their reputation speaks for itself...think Bayliners...if you're getting that much resistance from this site full of whaler enthusiasts, just think what the other boat owners say about the engine...

Here's a few things to think about? How long has the boat been on the market? If it's been on for a while and it's priced properly, chances are the engine is playing a major role in obstructing the sale...How mechanicially inclined are you? Do you think you'd be able to work on the engine yourself?

You might be able to give the seller a "below market price," not a "lowball" price, the difference is, in one case, you're trying to steal the boat, the other, you provide justification to the seller, not in an insulting way, but in an informative manner...ie: explain to him that you are buying the boat without regard for the engine (explain to him why...) and that you are going to be repowering the boat with something newer...I've seen a lot of good engines on craigslist and there are people on the forum who seem to have a nack for finding good prices on engines...remember, you don't need to repower with a brand new E-tec...

The guy might be insulted...but with the explaination and it being on the market for a while (?) you might be able to make it work...if he says, "no", just thank him for your time, give him your number if things change, and continue your search...

Good luck...

DaveS

Bayguy posted 03-11-2008 01:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bayguy  Send Email to Bayguy     
I owned a 95 15' Dauntles a couple years back, powered by a Honda 60 4 stroke with only 70 hours on boat and motor. Paid $7500. for it and found it on boats.com... Not a speed demon, but reliable as hell, very stable and could take almost anything in rough, rough bays. My only problem with this boat was the amount of walking space between the center console and the sides. Very tight. Had to walk with one foot in front of the other. That's not a problem unless you've got a 30 lb red on your line or a 6' shark. Therefore, I now own a 16' Dauntless. Funny how the width changed with only 1' difference.
My experience with prices of whalers, (this is my 3rd), is inventory. In my area there is hardly ever a used Whaler for sale. I think guys that own them here must be buried in them when they die. On boats.com I had to go out 500 miles from home to search for what I wanted. I'm in Pensacola, and found the 15 in Savannah, the 16 I found in Clearwater. BUT...in both cases I found what I was looking for and at fair market prices. My advice is to shop some, but a few hundred bucks isn't worth loosing sleep over on the size Whaler you want.
frontier posted 03-11-2008 03:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for frontier  Send Email to frontier     
Don't underestimate the value of a 1994-1998 13 or 15 Dauntless. They are great boats. Especially with Yamaha or Honda power. And with new 13 and 15 Sports going for $13K-$18K, an excellent value.
Mambo Minnow posted 03-12-2008 10:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for Mambo Minnow  Send Email to Mambo Minnow     
Agree with Frontier...there is demand for this post classic and several members have "flipped" a few of this particular model with great success.

That said, I also agree I would look for one without the Force motor. Mine had a Mercury 60HP two stroke, which was the "recommended HP" in the 1998 BW catalog description. It had a 3 cylinder Yamaha powerhead. I found it to be a reliable motor and I could boat all day on a 6.6 gallon tank. It was no speed demon, but was more than adequate.

ORGramps posted 03-14-2008 08:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for ORGramps  Send Email to ORGramps     
Patience, patience, patience. Something I don't have a lot of, but more as I get older.

The boat is still setting there and as it only has been on the market from just before my first post, I'm going to wait some more.

I have greatly appreciated all the counsel and have decided that I really like the boat (it is pristine), but do not want the motor except at the right price. I have checked with a major dealer and been told that Mercury has already discontinued offering some parts for Force engines.

The plan I am working through is to wait about another week then call and see where the owners are with the sale. I frankly think with the investment they have made, they should keep the boat and use it.

I'll advise when the fat lady signs, one way or the other.

Again thanks, all the input has been very helpful.

friend99 posted 03-15-2008 07:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Good luck Gramps. Like me and others have said, we have bought very nice 15' Dauntless' with Merc, Johnson, Evinrude or Yamaaha motors for under $7k and you should be able to also.

Be patient, the boat market is horrible.

jgkmmoore posted 03-21-2008 07:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for jgkmmoore  Send Email to jgkmmoore     
You might approach the folks to sell the rig and keep the Force, and come up with a good price on just the boat and trailer.You can sure scoop up a pretty decent used motor for near 1k. Just depends on how rare that BOAT is in your area. Were I you, I would buy the boat, but avoid removing the Force motor from the present owners property at any cost. Ask yourself if you would sell that motor to a family member?or a friend? A good Force may run with the Big Dogs for awhile, but when it goes TU, you're faced with replacement almost every time. The really tough part of owning the Force is launching in the dark so no one knows you have one, or the funny 'plop' sound they make when used for an anchor. Fishermen can tell the sound of a Danforth as opposed to a Force anchor.
jgkmmoore posted 03-21-2008 08:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for jgkmmoore  Send Email to jgkmmoore     
Offer:
7k without the Force,but with the Merc,
6k without the Force and without the Merc 9.9',
5k WITH the Force, and without the Merc.
ORGramps posted 03-26-2008 04:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for ORGramps  Send Email to ORGramps     
The fat lady has sung and . . . and not in front of my parade!

The boat sold for $9K, more than I was interested in paying for it. The owners were indeed fortunate to sell it for what they paid for it. I'm sure the new owners will enjoy.

Darn! I guess I was a bit confident that they would not get their price. But, this is not the first time I have been surprised.

Thanks for all the fine counsel from this message board. It will help as I continue to search.

And that search goes on.


gschrimp posted 03-29-2008 09:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for gschrimp  Send Email to gschrimp     
Be thankful someone else bought the Whaler with a Force motor. The enjoyment of owning a Whaler would be reduced significantly by the power head...which should include as a standard item a tow line to have someone haul you back to the dock with.
ORGramps posted 03-31-2008 01:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for ORGramps  Send Email to ORGramps     
OK, I'm back at it and looking over the field for another Dauntless. However after getting all the good counsel, I'm including on the list both 15' and 16'. It would be good to be able to fish three at a time and I sense the 15" Dauntless is a bit tight for that. I realize that going to 16' will raise the price tag, but its only money . . .Ha!

At the risk of bolting the "Dauntless club" before I have joined, I have also come across a 17' Newport that looks very good and I am checking it out. I realize that the ride will not be a good as the V-hull of the Dauntless, but years ago I had an 18' Glastron tri-hull that was about the same hull shape and my back is still intact. We'll simply need to stay off of rough water and that is possible in this neck of the woods.

DaveS posted 03-31-2008 07:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for DaveS  Send Email to DaveS     
My first whaler was a Newport...great boat for family type things...I ended up converting her to a "Newtauk" by replacing the oversized console with a Montauk console...great setup for fishing...that hull will take far more then you when it gets messy out...

Another boat you might consider, although I really don't know much about them is the SL model...it was produced in the 90's and has an interesting hull configuration...they, for some reason, we're the most popular models around but they had the benefit of an interal fuel tank and a V hull...I've seen them advertised in various publications from time to time and their prices are definately more attractive than a Dauntless of a similar vintage...

here's the link to one...

http://pictures.dealer.com/cardinalyachtsales/ 07baff7f40463872004120aa2543dc80.jpg

Florida15 posted 03-31-2008 10:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for Florida15    
Gramps, somebody got screwed big time on that boat for $9,000. Glad it wasn't you. Keep looking. You'll find one.
friend99 posted 04-01-2008 12:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Like I said erlier...that 15` Dauntless with the Force motor is worth no more than $5,000. Furthermore, you can buy a 15' Dauntess with Merc, Johnson, Evinrude or Yamaha motors for $6,500 to $7,500. I would not pay a penny more.
friend99 posted 04-01-2008 12:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Like I said erlier...that 15` Dauntless with the Force motor is worth no more than $5,000. Furthermore, you can buy a 15' Dauntess with Merc, Johnson, Evinrude or Yamaha motors for $6,500 to $7,500. I would not pay a penny more.
ORGramps posted 04-04-2008 02:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for ORGramps  Send Email to ORGramps     
Update on this ongoing saga.

Thanks to DaveS I have taken a look at the availability of some 16 SL's. I found one in southern California and was down there this week so checked it out. It looks in excellent condition so I am in a negotiation. It will need a trailer and I did some checking - wow, not cheap! However, the fat lady may sing in my parade yet!.

The Newport that I mentioned is still available, but I am concerned about that one as the motor (90 hp Yamaha) has only been run once a year for the last 6 years, I'm sure the gasketing material has changed over the years, but the older motors would not like setting idle so long. Does anyone have any comment about the potential of dried and leaking gaskets on that motor?

Thanks again for all the feedback.


Tohsgib posted 04-04-2008 10:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Only carbs and water pump would dry up...rest will be fine for decades.
ORGramps posted 04-12-2008 06:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for ORGramps  Send Email to ORGramps     
The fat lady has sung and unfortunately it is not for a Whaler. Sorry guys, but all the other boats I've looked at have problems-couldn't find another pristine 15-17 footer in the area. Even had a Minneapolis Newport checked out by a friend.

This morning I put money down on a new 17' S.....l. Locally made, excellent quality and now bought-out. It's not a Whaler-which is what I wanted. But I've found the market out here in the northwest is different than the rest of the country for used boats.

I greatly appreciate the counsel from all who gave it. I just won't have a Whaler in this age.

Best to you all.

friend99 posted 04-14-2008 10:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Gramps,

Best of luck to you and wishes for many years of enjoyment of your new boat. Don't feel guilty about not buying a Whaler. There are plenty of other great boats out there besides Whaler, and it sounds like you bought one.

Personally, I do own a Boston Whaler Super Sport 13' boat, but my main boat is a 21' v-hull Everglades which, in my opinion and the opinion of many boat professionals, is far superior to the Whaler.

Once again...best of luck!

Friend

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