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cinco de whaler posted 03-05-2008 10:13 PM ET (US)   Profile for cinco de whaler   Send Email to cinco de whaler  
I'm trying to decide if I want to spend the 1,400 on a OEM stern for my 1991 Montauk and was wondering what the general opinion is on resale value and how much does the stern seat improve the value on resale. Thanks.
crabby posted 03-05-2008 11:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for crabby  Send Email to crabby     
$1400 is a lot of money for a seat on a little boat. In my humble opinion, it will not add a heck of a lot of value (if any) to the price of a center console fishing boat. Your mileage may vary.
friend99 posted 03-05-2008 11:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
I agree with Crabby. You would be lucky if it would add $200 in value.
Dave Sutton posted 03-06-2008 10:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dave Sutton  Send Email to Dave Sutton     
Boating advice (works for airplanes and sportscars too):

Put the accessories on the thing that increase YOUR enjoyment of the thing, and forget about resale value. Just consider it money thrown away. Bottom line is "who cares" about extracting the cost back later if it brings you pleasure and utility while YOU use it. If you keep the boat for 10 years, that seat costs you $140/year. Is it worth it? You decide. Maybe it's worth it for only one day of use to see your grandkid laughing and smiling as he catches his first fish sitting there... some things are far beyond monetary value.

Frankly, I expect that every dollar I put into my boat is just an alternative to taking the cash into the backyard and burning it. If I retrieve a few scraps from the ashes when I sell it... that's gravy. Enjoy your boat, fix it up the way YOU want it, and consider it to be a self imposed tax on recreation and mental health. It's NOT an investment.


Dave

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shindog107 posted 03-06-2008 10:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for shindog107    
I've wanted one for my Montauk as well but the cost of a new one looks very steep at $1,400. Why not find one on a boat for sale and offer to purchase it separately from the boat or buy the boat, take the seat off and resell the boat. It would probabley cheaper than buying the new boat.

Regards

john

blacklab posted 03-06-2008 11:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for blacklab  Send Email to blacklab     

It's worth every penny of the money they are asking because of the enjoyment you will get out of it. You will wonder how anyone with a family or friends could possibly be without it. I find that at anchor I spend 75 % of the time sitting there with my feet resting on the RPS pushed to the foreward position. You can re-sell it and re-coup a large percentage if a new owner is foolish enough to not want it.
cinco de whaler posted 03-08-2008 03:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for cinco de whaler  Send Email to cinco de whaler     
Thanks for all the advice. I think I'll order one!
deepwater posted 03-08-2008 04:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
Good choice CD whaler,, if you wanted to flip the boat and make a profit that's one thing (and we have several ppl who Only do that),, enjoy your boat for as long as you own it and than give it to a grand child
David Livingstone posted 03-08-2008 10:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Livingstone  Send Email to David Livingstone     
cinco de whaler, the stern seat is worth the money. I've had one in our Montauk for four years. There are two different models. I find this one the best http://www.flickr.com/photos/seadog_fishing/1724343575/in/ set-72157602663761689/ . The other doesn't have the "Boston Whaler" stamped on the seat and it doesn't attach to two plates that with four large screw down knobs (you have to install the mounting plates on the floor first).

All the best,

David

cinco de whaler posted 03-09-2008 08:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for cinco de whaler  Send Email to cinco de whaler     
David,
Thanks for the pictures and advice. Who did you purchase your seat from and do they make it in the off white material to match the older Whalers?
David Livingstone posted 03-09-2008 11:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Livingstone  Send Email to David Livingstone     
cinco de whaler, I purchased the seat through Boston Whaler. A dealer had to order it in. Not sure about off white for the older models but you could talk to Boston Whaler directly or contact your local dealer.

David

ratherwhalering posted 03-09-2008 09:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for ratherwhalering  Send Email to ratherwhalering     
quote:
It's worth every penny of the money they are asking because of the enjoyment you will get out of it. You will wonder how anyone with a family or friends could possibly be without it. I find that at anchor I spend 75 % of the time sitting there with my feet resting on the RPS pushed to the foreward position. You can re-sell it and re-coup a large percentage if a new owner is foolish enough to not want it.

I cannot agree more with blackdog's comments. It totally changes the layout of the Montauk, and makes it more passenger friendly.

The OEM color is parchment with [i]brown[i] piping. Do not be fooled, the brown piping looks black, until you hold it up against black piping, then they do not really match.

Art will sell you one for much less than $1400.00, more like $900 shipped, and it is original equipment for the classic 17-MONTAUK

See the following link for contact more information

http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/OEM.html#upholstery

cinco de whaler posted 03-10-2008 09:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for cinco de whaler  Send Email to cinco de whaler     
Does the one Art's manufactures match the original material? From the description in the reference material, it sounds as if they use a smoother type vinyl that does not match the original grained vinyl where Anderson's, although more expensive, may be a better match to the original. If they both match the original material, I'll of course go with Art's. Thanks!
friend99 posted 03-10-2008 09:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Get one custom made locally for half the price, twice the quality and a better color match. To pay $1,400 or even $1,000 is absolutely ridiculous, in my opinion. I have had many seats made up for less than half that amount.
ratherwhalering posted 03-11-2008 11:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for ratherwhalering  Send Email to ratherwhalering     
Arts is the original Whaler manufacturer for stern seats, as well as other upholstry. You may want to call to confirm that the pattern is faux leather grain. I would be surprised if it wasn't.

Many classic whaler owners, myself included, prefer OEM (original equiptment manufacturer) products. While it may be more expensive, it adds a certain asthetic appeal to the boat. Without a pattern or model, I would not expect a custom stern seat to exactly match an original.

JMARTIN posted 03-11-2008 05:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
Well I am confused and it's not the first time. Pictures of a 1995 Montauk and the seat set up that it came with. I remounted all of the seat hold down brackets on the boat. Almost all of them were loose and they are crooked. The pictures of David's seat that is supported by the deck, looks much more robust than this set up.

Seat

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d137/jmartin-/seat001.jpg

Mounting brackets

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d137/jmartin-/seat003.jpg

Boat

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d137/jmartin-/seat004.jpg

Sooo, is this OEM or add on? The bracket installation does not look professional. John

ratherwhalering posted 03-12-2008 04:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for ratherwhalering  Send Email to ratherwhalering     
That is an OEM seat, with OEM mounting parts. The slides are actually table mounting plates, still available from Perkos. The latch is actually a hatch dog, also available from Perkos. There should also be a folding center leg.
ratherwhalering posted 03-12-2008 04:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for ratherwhalering  Send Email to ratherwhalering     
Here's a shot of an identical OEM stern seat:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v641/ratherwhalering/ Stern%20Seat%20Install/?action=view¤t=OriginalSeatUninstalled.jpg

ratherwhalering posted 03-12-2008 04:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for ratherwhalering  Send Email to ratherwhalering     
and...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/ratherwhalering/ Stern%20Seat%20Install/Originalhardware.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/ratherwhalering/ Stern%20Seat%20Install/OriginalHullmountsuninstalled.jpg

JMARTIN posted 03-12-2008 04:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
Poopers, there is no folding center leg.

John

JMARTIN posted 03-12-2008 06:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
Thank you ratherwhalering, the owner of the boat is now in search of a replacement folding leg. You can see the screw holes where it should be. That also explains why the mounting brackets on the boat were all loose. I am sure they were being torqued by people using the seat without the center support.

John

JMARTIN posted 03-13-2008 10:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
As this discussion morphs into belonging in the Repair/Mod section, upon further examination of the seat, there never was a center pole. What I thought were holes are staples. John
ratherwhalering posted 03-13-2008 01:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for ratherwhalering  Send Email to ratherwhalering     
John. you can build a center leg quite easily, with parts from your local chandlery.

It isn't a folding leg, but 100 time more secure. Mine is secured to the sump cover with a rail base.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v641/ratherwhalering/ Stern%20Seat%20Install/?action=view¤t=Sideviewuninstalled.jpg

David Livingstone posted 03-13-2008 09:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Livingstone  Send Email to David Livingstone     
JMARTIN, they are both OEM. The seat that I have is a 2001 Model. Your seat is a 1995-98 model. I was a 2001 on the dealer's lot. It came with the same seat as the one I now own. I ordered a stern seat for my 1998 and when I opened the box - it was the same configuration as yours. I called Whaler and found that the newer one was less money and had the same mounts and logo as the one on the 2001 http://www.flickr.com/photos/seadog_fishing/1724343575/sizes/o/in/ set-72157602663761689/ . I called the Dealer, they knew the seat that I wanted. They shipped it back and exchanged it for the newer model. The $100 that I would have saved on the newer seat went into the shipping with the Dealer and Whaler picking up the rest. It took a little while to get the one I wanted. But I got it just in time. Installed it the same night that I took it home and we hooked the boat on to the van and towed it 2500 miles south to Florida the next day.

David

ratherwhalering posted 03-14-2008 12:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for ratherwhalering  Send Email to ratherwhalering     
David is right...perhaps I should have been a little clearer. They are both OEM.

Here is what I THINK happened... In 1995 whaler changed the interior color of the 17-MONTAUK from desert tan to white. In 1999 they changed the seat design. The new seat that David has is OEM for a 1999+ 17-MONTAUK. The seat you have is OEM for the 1998 and earlier Montauk. Though I have never seen the classic design stern seat in all white, to match the interior from 1995 to 1999, they must exist?

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