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sloppyrudder posted 04-20-2008 10:19 AM ET (US)   Profile for sloppyrudder   Send Email to sloppyrudder  
Hello All,

I'm seriously considering purchasing and '87 Montauk. I have a couple of concerns though, and wanted to check how significant you guys think these are. On the port side, near the rub rail is there is a crack, and on the port quarter there is another smaller crack. Also, on the cutwater there is a fair amount of scrapes (this isn't that big of a concern to me, as it seems like normal where & tear on boat that is used frequently.) How big of a concern are the other two cracks for me? What would it take to repair these cracks?

Photos can be seen at:


wyeisland posted 04-20-2008 03:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for wyeisland  Send Email to wyeisland     
Of the three pictures the ones labeled ...65 and ...60 look like no problem.
As my dad would say ....61 looks major. It can be fixed I am sure but it needs to be investigated by someone who could carry out the repair. Also you may have a saturated hull, again lots of boats run today that used to be and still are saturated but this is a serious problem. At least you have reason to do some serious price negotiation on this one.
sloppyrudder posted 04-20-2008 03:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for sloppyrudder  Send Email to sloppyrudder     
Unfortunately I haven't been able to inspect this boat firsthand, but have had a friend go up and look at it for me. I emailed him the "Buying A Classic Whaler" Guide and he used that to inspect it. He found no signs of sogginess (walked around barefoot) in the deck, nor any signs of cracking in the exterior gelcoat or transom.

It's tough as I am in South Florida, and unmodified Montauk's get snapped up pretty quickly. This boat has a nearly new magic tilt trailer, and a 4 stroke Yamaha 90 with less than 100 hours, I don't mind a bit of work to make it right but I do want something ready for the water right away. Having been around Whalers my whole life, I know the right boat can be a lifetime boat...I just don't want to get into something that will have significant issues down the road.

Thanks for the help!

gfrutig1 posted 04-20-2008 03:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for gfrutig1  Send Email to gfrutig1     
You can't see too well on the water line picture, looks like it's been repaired. The othe two pictures are rub rail damage. If no damage behinde these area no worries, just replace the rubrail.
DaveS posted 04-20-2008 11:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for DaveS  Send Email to DaveS     
I guess the main question is going to be, how handy are you? There's a lot of great information at your fingertips right here at the forum. The last image just looks like the channel for the rubrail is cracked, if that's the case, I wouldn't think it's no big deal...for the other repairs, check out this thread...

My main concern would be how much water was allowed to get into the you have any idea if the boat was used with that crack in it? I guess it's a good thing there's no water weeping out of it...but you really need to inspect the boat for your self. If it looks that its too much, walk this market right now, there are a lot of good boats available, you just need to be patient.

If things check out, weight the hull if it's possible and start low...

Good luck...


Tohsgib posted 04-21-2008 12:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Sloppy...I told you already that I know where a PERFECT 17 is with newer 4 stroke and trailer. You won't listen so keep wasting your time with the junk ;)
sloppyrudder posted 04-21-2008 12:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for sloppyrudder  Send Email to sloppyrudder     
Refresh my memory, as the boat you mentioned has sold, right?
Tohsgib posted 04-21-2008 12:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib was my old 17 Newtauk I mentioned in Dave's post after you said you did not buy his boat. It is in Venice.
sloppyrudder posted 04-21-2008 12:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for sloppyrudder  Send Email to sloppyrudder     
Can you forward contact info? Thanks!
Tohsgib posted 04-21-2008 12:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib
fisherman posted 04-21-2008 04:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for fisherman  Send Email to fisherman     
I agree with WYEISLAND and DAVES, water absorption into the hull could spell a lot of problems. From the looks of the crack in photo 61, there may have already been expansion or cracking from freezing??
sloppyrudder posted 04-21-2008 04:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for sloppyrudder  Send Email to sloppyrudder     
It's a Florida boat, so I don't think it too likely that it has been subject to much, if any freezing. Is it possible that it is a crack in the rub rail assembly? I haven't had a chance to look at the boat myself (6 hour drive), but a friend, who is not overly familiar with whalers said it looked like it was in 'plastic'. The photo of the port quarter shows that fairly well. Having to change the rub rail isn't a deal breaker for me, hull saturation is.
fisherman posted 04-21-2008 08:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for fisherman  Send Email to fisherman     
I assume the boat has always been in Florida, in which case I agree, freezing is highly unlikely.
If it's just the rubrail and it's separate from the hull, then it may have been very difficult for water to enter the hull.
Why don't you send an e-mail to Mr Bennet, at BW and ask if the rubrail is separate and / or can water enter the hull from the crack. Send a photo along with your e-mail.
His e-mail address is ;
Good luck whichever way you decide to go.
superdave_gv posted 04-21-2008 10:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for superdave_gv  Send Email to superdave_gv     

60/61 look like the rubrail "lip" only, no water intrusion. 65 looks a little chunky but probably water tight. I would look for unkept screw holes in transom / stern from old installs of transducers, battery boxes, bilge etc. And the thru-hulls.
Erik 88Montauk posted 04-23-2008 07:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for Erik 88Montauk  Send Email to Erik 88Montauk     
When I looked at the pictures I immediately thought as Dave did, 60 and 61 are in the white plastic portion of the rub rail. There is no water intrusion there.

65 shouldn’t be an issue either. Those marks don’t look too bad, that said, if I bought this boat that would be one area in the top half of to do list (although I haven’t seen the rest of it).

Good luck.

sloppyrudder posted 04-24-2008 04:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for sloppyrudder  Send Email to sloppyrudder     
Hello All,

I made the drive to look at the boat today. Turns out the crack was indeed rubrail damage, apparently due to over tightening the tie down strap. On the bow, there is more than a little scraping and missing gel coat that has been repaired with marine tex or something like that. Lots of screw holes that have been filled with marine tex, all the 'repairs' were relatively half hearted, I don't think there was any water intrusion, but there is certainly some work to make it right. The biggest nasty I found was that the transom has been ground down, I think maybe some one was going to re-gelcoat at one point, but then decided against it. It looks like a likely trouble area to me, as roving was visible and there appeared to be the first indications of one are starting to de-lam. Super un-decided at this point. The motor and trailer are perfect, the boat not so much. I will probably keep hunting, as the owner and I are kind of far apart on what we think the boat's value is.

I really appreciate everyone's help and advice. Thanks!

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