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Considering to buy a 1983 Montauk
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posted 04-20-2008 03:53 PM ET (US)
Their are 3 Montauk's for sale in my local area:
1. 1983 w/ a 70hp motor - I have not seen this boat yet since it is a distance from my house. My question is what is the fair value and what particular issues should I be aware of for this model year? (asking $8,700.)
2. 1988 w/ 115 2006 yamaha (less than 30 hours). I did see this boat and it looked clean as far as I can tell. Although I did have a concern after I talked to the local yamaha dealer and he said they could not legally put a 115hp motor on this particular boat. I would repower the boat back to a 90 if I purchased the boat. Seller asking $12.9k and I am willing to pay $11k and $2,500 to yamaha dealer to trade out the motor.....Your thoughts.
3. 1997 Montauk for $13,600. Should I go for the new model?
I currently own a 1987 15 Sport w/ 1998 50 yamaha. I launch the boat from my neighborhood ramp, which is tidal water creek access to the river, bay and ocean. I'm looking for a shallow draft boat and want to make sure its not over weight.
posted 04-20-2008 04:32 PM ET (US)
I have been hunting extensively for Montauk's in Florida and I will share my experience with you. I have seen 2 Montauk's, a 1978 and a 1984, both had been re-painted and modified from the classic whaler setup. The asking price on the '78 was 11,800 and on the '84 was 11,200. Nice boats, but not classics. Both boats remain unsold. I saw a 1998, in original condition with a 98 75HP (owner didn't know the hours) mercury sell for 8,000 within hours of being posted. A 1997 with a 97 2 Stroke Yamaha in 'okay' condition sold for 8 K within a week.
I have sort of figured that the fair market value down here for a Classic Montauk, that hasn't been changed too much is between 10 & 11 K. Basically for Late '70's to late 90's models. That is assuming a motor that I don't have to worry about right away, and a good trailer. I adjust the price up and down depending on, hull condition, motor / hours and trailer condition & type.
In going through the posts on here I have found the following to be very true. If the boat has been changed, i.e., different console, leaning post, etc...the boats saleability seems to be diminished. Re-painting, no matter how well done, seems to detract from price as well. Bottom paint seems to have a negative impact on price.
As for the motor, I have seen a couple of Montauk's with 115's on them. While the boat is rated for 100 HP, one thing to take into consideration is that most probably it is the same block as a 90 or a 100hp, with different carb or injection setup to get the extra HP. It might be an issue insurance wise, but it seems the hull can handle it.
FYI, I have found that NADA and BUC guides do not accurately represent what Whalers sell for.
Hope that helps.
posted 04-20-2008 05:08 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the follow-up response. I'm going to check out the 1983 this week if it doesn't sell first. Are you aware of any major changes between the 83 and 88 model?
I do not consider myself a "classic" collector...I'm more interested in the functional part of the boat and the fact it works for my launching situation where I live. I think the 88 w/ the 115hp adds an extra 100lbs of weight. I beleive the Mohawk should weight approx 1,100 lbs w/o fuel and extra onboard. I also like to classic wood look of the boat...its different compared to the other boats on the water.
posted 04-20-2008 05:28 PM ET (US)
I am not well versed in the specifics of the Model Year Changes. There was a hull style change in the early '70's to the 'smirk', and sometime in the '90's the wood trim was dropped. I am partial to the wood myself. I have been on more than a few Montauk's with 70 JP Johnson's on them, and that is a good combination, but probably on the underpowered side if you are planning on more than 2 people in the boat or any significant amount of gear. I think the ideal weight / power ratio is the Yamaha 90 HP 2 stroke, which is only around 250 lbs. I understand that the 3 cylinder 90 ETEC's are well regarded, although I don't have personal experience with those motors.
posted 04-21-2008 09:00 AM ET (US)
Be careful if you buy an overpowered hull. The Coast Gaurd frowns on that in the form of large fines, if you get caught. Might want to purchase 90 or 100 Hp decals for the larger Hp motor!! Shhhh!
posted 04-21-2008 12:08 PM ET (US)
Vince...all 3 seem to be over priced except maybe the 97 if showroom. You can buy a 2005 for a tad more. As far as the 115 goes, all the info you received here is incorrect. Do a search on overpowering and you will find the real truth.
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