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nycj posted 04-29-2008 03:18 PM ET (US)   Profile for nycj   Send Email to nycj  
I have an 89 Outrage- 89 Yahama 150, bow pulpit, rear bench seat, leaning post, all original (except the cleat on the pulpit was changed) I bought it up in Main a few years ago. The engine has been serviced/repaired every year
by Accurate Marine (Bohemia). Probably has a few good years left. I'd say the boat presents as a 6-7/10.
My 15 y/o son has been bugging me to get it in the water so he can take it out. I think this is to much boat for him to handle. We live off Westmeadow Creek on L.I., and the current running into/out of the channel is treacherous. I'd like him to have something he can pull off the sandbar if he gets into trouble, so I'd like to trade down to a 15-17'.
If you are looking to trade up to a highly optioned original Outrage, send me an e-mail, tell me what you have, and maybe we could work something out. I like the older hulls with wood accents. -Paul.
P.S. I started thinking about this when he was 14 and bugging me. Sorry I didn't get back to all of you that replied last time, bad year (3/10), but I promise I will this time.
Mully posted 04-30-2008 02:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Mully  Send Email to Mully     
what size Outrage?
DaveS posted 04-30-2008 03:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for DaveS  Send Email to DaveS     
I'm assuming you are talking about an 18' Outrage. My question is, do you really want to sell? Your 15 year old will be an 18 year old before you know it. Happened to me in a heartbeat! If you look at the weight of the 18' Outrage vs. the 17' Montauk, you're looking at about a 300 pound difference. While many people move the other way, from the Montauk to the Outrage, there have been a few who have "downsized."

If it's a larger Outrage, then it might make sense. Given that the 18' hulls are one of the most sought after hulls around, I just don't see making the move. If you really want him to have a 15' hull, you might be able to pick up an older one for the next couple of years and keep your current Outrage.

What would be really sweet is to throw a nice 4-stroke 150 or E-tec on the back and you'll get another 15+ years out of her before her next repower. You'll also get the benefit of better fuel economy which you'll like each time he asks you for "gas money."

Good luck with your decision.


DaveS posted 04-30-2008 03:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for DaveS  Send Email to DaveS     
Oh, while I'm at it, spending your money, (something my younger son loves to do to with mine!) You could update your electronics, have her detailed, and install a new Mills canvas. What'da say??? pleeeeease! :)
phtrip posted 04-30-2008 07:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for phtrip  Send Email to phtrip     
Haven't I seen this before. Weren't you trying to downsize from this vessel last year?


nycj posted 05-02-2008 09:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for nycj  Send Email to nycj     
Yes, as I stated in my original message- I did do this last year, but was side tracked. Now that my son has passed the boating course, he is anxious to get out there. I'm anxious to give him something more managable. It's about how well I sleep at night....... if someone gets a 18 Outrage that they have wanted, and I get a boat more appropriate for our use, well I see it as a win-win.
Now that I think about it, you are right, a 15' would be to small. A 17' would work. If we didn't live where we do, on a creek that is very tidal, and sometimes difficult to navigate, I probably would not be having this discussion. Thanks for your input. -Paul
Tohsgib posted 05-02-2008 10:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
What do you mean by tidal? The smaller the boat the more a fast running tide will affect it so he is better off in the 18'. When I was 15 I was running a 19' Revenge and a 140 Suzuki. If I were you I would repower with a nice 115 4 stroke and take him out until you feel he is ready. That way the gas burn is less and he won't have a 48mph rocket in his hands.

When I was 17 I was tired of dumping fuel in the 140 Suzuki and we sold it and bought a 15 sport with a 60. Yes it was more fun then the Revenge, especially in Barnegat bay but after 2 years I traded up to a 21 Scarab. I think if you downsize, you are just going to upsize in 2 years so just repower with a 115(40+mph) which will be plenty, gas efficient, and reliable.

nycj posted 05-02-2008 12:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for nycj  Send Email to nycj     
Mostly, I was referring to the variance in the depth of water caused by the changing tides. But also at one point there is a wicked current- where all of the creek passes through a narrow outlet past a jetty. If you catch it at the wrong tide (depth) you bottom out on rocks, stall the engine, get dragged into a rock jetty and possibly damage the boat and yourself. With a lighter boat, you have a better chance to hold off from the jetty, or set an anchor, or jump into the shallow water and pull yourself out of trouble.
contender posted 05-02-2008 01:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for contender  Send Email to contender     
nycj if you do not let your boy use it/practice with you how is he going to learn? At 18 I was already crossing the gulf to the Bahamas in a 17 whaler. I also agree with Dave I would keep the 18 and after the engine dies do a repower. I own a 1975 17 now and I just got back (last summer) from Guana Cay Bahamas, were I rented a 18 outrage, For the 1ft difference I could not believe the difference in the amount of space in the boat and the much smoother ride. No way would I trade down to a 17 whaler from an 18. You have a very nice size whaler Keep it. Tell your son when he is by himself to wear a life jacket this would be one of your rules on using the boat...good luck to you
bricken posted 05-05-2008 10:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for bricken  Send Email to bricken     
I have a 16'7" whaler center console (Montauk) that I am restoring and will be done before June 1. It has a 1996 70 hp Johnson with Less than 90 hrs on it (it looks new). The boat will be painted Oyster White (awlrip). It has all the rails, bow and stern light, rps seat all of which will be in like new condition (has nib stainless controls)- the console has not been purchased yet, but since it is impossible to find a replacement fiberglass console for a 17' Montauk, I am leaning towards a Large Console from Carolina Skiff. The hull is 1963 and the lines are perfect. I just recently repainted the bottom and was able to flip the boat over with one other person- so no water intrusion. The Trailer is also in great shape. I am just tossing this out there- I am really not sure if I want to part with this boat, just going to see if your interested?
grogden posted 05-05-2008 01:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for grogden  Send Email to grogden     
I have an 86 15ft center console with an evinrude 60 in good shape with a 1yr old trailer.I might be interested in that swap.what sort of trade differential do you have in mind(subject to condition etc)and could you send a pic.thanks(NJ)if you realy want the boat for lightness the 15 is way lighter than a montauk and rides chop nicely(within reason 1-3ft)

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