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skelby posted 08-12-2008 10:37 AM ET (US)
I'm looking at 2 differnt Outrage's. One is a 1984 18 with a 1989 150 Yamaha and the other is a 1994 17 with a 120 Evinrude. Both are in decent shape, no bottom paint or major issues, although the 18 looks like it was fished hard while the 17 was a pleasure boat. Both have trailers with an asking pricce of $12,000 for the 18 and $9500 for the 17.
My question is, how does the 17 compare with the 18. I've had experience with the 18 but have never been on the 17. The 17 looks like a great deal so I am interested. I plan to use the boat mainly near shore and running on the ICW.
Any help would be appreciated.
Contender25 posted 08-12-2008 10:43 AM ET (US)
The 1989 Yamaha has a big problem if you are using it in Saltwater (granted the problem may of been addressed but check with the owner) These engines originally had steel shift shafts and they would snap. the only way to fix this was to remove the powerhead and replace the shaft. This is a very expensive fix.

Looking at the price of 12,000 I think it may have a 1998 and not an 89 Yamaha? if that is the case than no need to worry about the shift shaft as this issue was addressed in 1994/95.
Casco Bay Outrage posted 08-12-2008 05:34 PM ET (US)
12k for the Outrage 18 is a bit high, unless in mint condition.
I have a same model Outrage 17. If you have more than 2 passengers, go with the 18. More room.
Both models will handle the water conditions you will find.
deepwater posted 08-15-2008 08:00 PM ET (US)
try a comparison survey in the gam area
95Outrage17 posted 08-16-2008 12:16 AM ET (US)
They're both great hulls. I have a '95 Outrage 17' and I really like it. Funny as it is, it's actually moored next to an '87 Outrage 18' right now. Behind it on a dock is an '83 Montauk. Each boat certainly has it's advantages, and the 18' is certainly the largest. It sounds like the 18' you're looking at has been used hard, it's much older then the 17' and it's more expensive. By the sound of it, unless you really need the extra size of the 18', the 17' is the way to go providing the engine is working well, etc.
If the 17' has the self bailing scuppers (I think they were added in '94), plan on removing them, drying out/removing any wet surrounding foam, sealing the holes with epoxy and reinstalling the scuppers. The design is poor and allows water in where the scupper joins. I discoverd this on my '95. No big problem if the boat hasn't sat in the water too much I think, but there was some wet foam in mine. Anyway, the holes are lined with epoxy now so that should prevent future problems. I'd check the other thru hulls as well and consider replacing the ones below the waterline. It's likely the '84 18' needs all new thru hulls if they haven't already been replaced. The rubber seals around the thru hulls dry out and leak over time.
I like the 17's interior more with it's taller console and rear corner seats. The big thing for me though is the console. I like it a lot more then the shorter version in the 18'. The 17' should have some other updates as well, like a welded bow rail, better electrical system, etc.
- Chris

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Author	Topic: 17 or 18 outrage?
skelby	posted 08-12-2008 10:37 AM ET (US) I'm looking at 2 differnt Outrage's. One is a 1984 18 with a 1989 150 Yamaha and the other is a 1994 17 with a 120 Evinrude. Both are in decent shape, no bottom paint or major issues, although the 18 looks like it was fished hard while the 17 was a pleasure boat. Both have trailers with an asking pricce of $12,000 for the 18 and $9500 for the 17. My question is, how does the 17 compare with the 18. I've had experience with the 18 but have never been on the 17. The 17 looks like a great deal so I am interested. I plan to use the boat mainly near shore and running on the ICW. Any help would be appreciated.
Contender25	posted 08-12-2008 10:43 AM ET (US) The 1989 Yamaha has a big problem if you are using it in Saltwater (granted the problem may of been addressed but check with the owner) These engines originally had steel shift shafts and they would snap. the only way to fix this was to remove the powerhead and replace the shaft. This is a very expensive fix. Looking at the price of 12,000 I think it may have a 1998 and not an 89 Yamaha? if that is the case than no need to worry about the shift shaft as this issue was addressed in 1994/95.
Casco Bay Outrage	posted 08-12-2008 05:34 PM ET (US) 12k for the Outrage 18 is a bit high, unless in mint condition. I have a same model Outrage 17. If you have more than 2 passengers, go with the 18. More room. Both models will handle the water conditions you will find.
deepwater	posted 08-15-2008 08:00 PM ET (US) try a comparison survey in the gam area
95Outrage17	posted 08-16-2008 12:16 AM ET (US) They're both great hulls. I have a '95 Outrage 17' and I really like it. Funny as it is, it's actually moored next to an '87 Outrage 18' right now. Behind it on a dock is an '83 Montauk. Each boat certainly has it's advantages, and the 18' is certainly the largest. It sounds like the 18' you're looking at has been used hard, it's much older then the 17' and it's more expensive. By the sound of it, unless you really need the extra size of the 18', the 17' is the way to go providing the engine is working well, etc. If the 17' has the self bailing scuppers (I think they were added in '94), plan on removing them, drying out/removing any wet surrounding foam, sealing the holes with epoxy and reinstalling the scuppers. The design is poor and allows water in where the scupper joins. I discoverd this on my '95. No big problem if the boat hasn't sat in the water too much I think, but there was some wet foam in mine. Anyway, the holes are lined with epoxy now so that should prevent future problems. I'd check the other thru hulls as well and consider replacing the ones below the waterline. It's likely the '84 18' needs all new thru hulls if they haven't already been replaced. The rubber seals around the thru hulls dry out and leak over time. I like the 17's interior more with it's taller console and rear corner seats. The big thing for me though is the console. I like it a lot more then the shorter version in the 18'. The 17' should have some other updates as well, like a welded bow rail, better electrical system, etc. - Chris