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Fair price for 1985 15' Super Sport
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posted 08-20-2008 06:10 PM ET (US)
Hi All! New member, first post. Looking for my first boat, a Whaler that we and the kids can learn on. This 1985 15 SS caught my eye, and was hoping you could educate me on a fair price to offer (brokerage is asking 4,750).
I took a look at it today. The hull appears to be in great shape. Bunk trailer is in good shape. The 1985 two stroke Merc 60 has damage at the bottom (large chunk missing), and all of the wood interior is in disrepair - cracks, warps, peeling. Seems like a repower and wood restore/replace.
Here are the pics:
Please let me know what you think. Thanks!
posted 08-20-2008 07:28 PM ET (US)
Road hard put up wet. No electronics. If the trailer is roadworthy I wouldn't offer more than $3,200. You could put $5,000 additional in that boat without blinking. With kids already part of your crew, think about going for a Montauk in the $6,500 dollar range. I like the people at York Harbor Marine and they often have good deals on classic whalers that are mechanically sound but could use some elbow grease. Board member Tuck just sold a great 18ft Newport for about that price up your way. Good hunting
posted 08-20-2008 07:44 PM ET (US)
Looks like you already know the guys at York Harbor. Ask them to swap the reversible pilot seat into the 90 hp boat and offer $5500 for the package
posted 08-20-2008 08:07 PM ET (US)
check out this boat for $3,800 http://maine.craigslist.org/boa/805150159.html
posted 08-20-2008 08:29 PM ET (US)
shindog: I think you hit the nail on the head - that 15 will require too much work. Nice thought on the Montauk - but, I didn't see it in their yard today. Sounds like you know the folks at York - they do seem to have a big inventory.
dan: Thanks for that link - I did notice that one today, and sent them an email with questions.
posted 08-21-2008 12:03 AM ET (US)
I agree that $4750 is a bit steep as I am not wild about the 1985 Merc. However, that boat looks like it could probably be transformed into a gorgeous boat in a matter of weeks - and for not that much money. I've never understood the need for electronics on small Whalers - at least in FLA, you only really take them out on calm days and a handheld VHF is always a viable option. I look at classic Whalers for sale constantly and I can tell you - I have never seen a decent 15 SS - even without a motor - go for under $3500.
Refinishing the wood on those is easy and makes a fun project. I'm sure the instructions can be found on this site. Based on what I can see in the photos, that boat is worth every bit of $3500. Even at $3750 its a justified purchase, just don't stray too far from the shoreline with that Mercury. Theres a guy on here with an originally powered 15 Striper - albeit a GORGEOUS one - for $8900.
I think that Montauk on craigslist is pretty unsavory, even at $3800. (Much more costly to repower and smirkless models are not as handsome)...
Good luck with your search,
posted 08-21-2008 05:05 AM ET (US)
i would like to show you my montauk if your interested
posted 08-21-2008 11:02 AM ET (US)
Just because there is a chunk missing from the skeg does not mean it needs a repower. I assume they would do a compression test and then run the engine for you. At $4k or so I think it would be a good deal, especially at the end of the season they probably might take it.
posted 08-21-2008 01:23 PM ET (US)
Here ya go! Use this for some leverage.
posted 08-21-2008 01:55 PM ET (US)
critch22: Agreed - I am worried about the dependability of the motor, given it looks like it has been rough handled, and I don't know anything about outboards. I could handle and would enjoy the wood refinishing. thanks for your thoughts on price too.
deepwater: Thanks - I have seen your posts and will let you know if my interests end up going in the Montauk direction.
tohsgib: Thanks for your thoughts on price as well as the tampa link - that is good data!
I sent a note to the marina last night with my concerns and a fairly low feeler - let's see what they say.
posted 08-21-2008 02:04 PM ET (US)
Actually that engine looks quite clean for a 1985 as does the rest of the boat but pics can be deceiving. I think with good compression, some TLC and varnish, she will be a winner.
posted 08-21-2008 02:49 PM ET (US)
That boat has some nice patina. And you cant spray that on, it takes time. There is nothing wrong with a "beater" boat.
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posted 08-21-2008 07:24 PM ET (US)
Those photos don't look too bad.
You would be amazed what some boat soap, a good buffing out with rubbing compound can do to faded gelcoat.
As far as the wood, it appears all the pieces are there. A good sanding and several coats of a good varnish and it can all come back.
As for the motor, it could be fine. The skeg can be repaired by a welding a repair piece.
Are you mechanically inclined or have some friends who are?
A 15 is a great starter boat and rides well for it's size.
Dave and the crew at York Harbor are decent guys and appreciate older whalers. Been good to me.
Let me know if I can help. I am an hour and a bit south of you.
posted 08-21-2008 08:18 PM ET (US)
I'm sorry, I think that price is high considering the boat's general condition.
This spring I purchased a one owner 1976 15' Sport with trailer and 1976 Evinrude 70. It was garage stored since new, no bottom paint and considering its age, was in remarkably nice shape. I paid the asking price and it was considerably less than $4,750. One nice feature, at least to me, the boat was an early production hull and came with the 75 HP rating.
Prior to the purchase, I researched 15's on CW quite extensively and gathered a bunch of sales data. You never know the selling price, but IIRC, in terms of asking price the low was $3,200, the high was $9,800 and the average was $4,600.
Some boats were really nice and some really rough.
It was also interesting that many of "CW's finest" had owned 15's at some point. To name a few: Buckda, jimh, Tohsgib, and Tom W Clark.
I think it's fair to say that it is generally regarded as an exceptionally fine boat and one of the best Whalers ever built.
posted 08-21-2008 08:59 PM ET (US)
The skeg wear looks to me to be more electrolysis than clam digging. The woodwork is only a couple of afternoons. The rest looks reasonable. But it IS an old motor.
posted 08-21-2008 09:50 PM ET (US)
casco: yes, I agree the clean up and wood refinish I can handle, but the motor is the sketchy part for me. Thanks for your offer to help. Care for a test drive? ;-) I just passed by your area returning to NH after being Midcoast for the summer.
wasatch: Your 15 Sport sounds sweet. I really do love the proportions of the 15 -- everything flows just right. That's why I was excited when I saw this one available.
crabby: I didn't realize electrolysis could eat away that much. Yes, it's the old motor that gives me hesitation.
Well, I sent another email to York and asked for compression readings, and whether they would entertain $2500-3500 range depending on the motor evaluation... If it needs a new motor, then I'll need to keep searching, and broaden into the Montauks too.
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