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A Whaler too good to be true ?
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posted 08-28-2008 01:32 PM ET (US)
This boat did not sell, any opinions ?
posted 08-28-2008 01:58 PM ET (US)
I think most prospective Whaler owners prefer outboard power. Although I see many benefits to an inboard-outboard, one of the biggest disadvantages is maintenance. They require far more care than outboards, and it is very costly as compared to outboards. That is a pretty boat though.
posted 08-28-2008 02:20 PM ET (US)
I would agree.
The asking price may reflect the high maintenance nature of his boat and future availability of parts.
However, a low cost buy in gives you plenty of head room for repowering with outboard(s).
posted 08-28-2008 02:38 PM ET (US)
It's a very nice looking boat, but the (semi) center console is typically a layout that would be used by people for fishing and that I/O really makes using the stern of the boat for fishing difficult. You lose a lot of fishing space because of the motor box. I think this is a great day crusier, not typically the Boston Whaler market.
posted 08-28-2008 02:43 PM ET (US)
Having owned a couple I/O's I will say that maintenence is higher but overall cost is much lower than an outboard, especially in fresh water areas. If you need to repower with twin 150's you are looking at well over $20 g's. To install a new I/O engine you are at about $3-5k. Outdrives are pretty durable if maintained and are pretty cheap to replace as well. They rarely go bad at the same time and there is no need to replace the outdrive when you do the motor. Your main points of interest on an I/O are risers and manifolds(VERY important to keep an eye on). Water pumps, fluids, and belts. They get much better economy than standard 2 smokes so overall, not a bad investment. Having owned them in salt water...stick with outboards. With a 25 OUTRAGE I would want at least a 300hp I/O for decent performance and getting a newer model(1988+) with a Bravo one drive is a major plus.
posted 08-28-2008 05:02 PM ET (US)
I had that same drive train in my 23 Sea Ray Cuddy, and in 15 years I only replaced a belt in the engine, one set of shifter/throttle cables, lower unit seals, and three impellers. I sat in the water six months per year and had very frequent use. I agree with Tohs, the 260 HP MC might be a little underpowered. Great GM motor, though.
posted 08-28-2008 10:46 PM ET (US)
Tohsgib - This is what I have experienced with outdrives as well. I have been questioning this difference between the outdrive available horsepower and the outboards lately and don't have the answer.
Why did my brand new 260 hp Mercruiser/Alpha 1 installed in a SeaRay 24 Weekender weighing in at the same as my 23 Conquest 225 Mercury outboard act like such a dog in comparison?
The fuel consumption of the outboard is double (at least) that of my outdrive but the performance of the outdrive is half that of the outboard. I don't get it.
I too found the my (newer) outdrive to be a maintenace nusiance clicking off the seasons waiting for the manifolds to rot through, along with bellows, fouled outdrive unable to lift it out of the water at the end of the day leading to clogged water intakes and multiple replacements of zincs during the coarse of a season.
posted 08-29-2008 10:41 AM ET (US)
I wonder what it would cost to put a small diesel in there...
posted 08-29-2008 11:38 AM ET (US)
Diesel you need to change over to a Bravo drive, alphas can not handle the torque.
A 260hp I/O weighs about 900lbs which is much heavier than a 400lb outboard. The weight however is shifted forward. A 2 stroke has more snap than a 4 stroke...period. In my findings a 260 I/O would be equiv to about 180-200hp outboard. When SeaPig had their smaller boats they offered a 90hp O/B or a 130hp I/o which performed about the same. Weight on a smaller boat is much more dramatic though. My friend had an identical 21 Scarab like me with a 200hp Mariner outboard and I had a slightly moded 260 and I was about 5mph faster than him. Now I also do not know how well he had that boat setup, for one he had a cleaver on it which although looked cool, was robbing him of top end since he was not piercing the surface. I would love to own a Temtation with a badass bigblock in it....if i lived on a lake.
posted 08-29-2008 01:13 PM ET (US)
I had a (non-whaler) with an I/O and it was a great setup. It was very quiet and easy to maintain. I never had an issue I could resolve so no $80 per hour mechanic bills. I replaced the bellows myself once, an under two hour job with no help. Engine had over 2000 hours.
You can rebuild some of the V8’s yourself for under $1K.
Stored out of the water and was washed, flushed and
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