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b16driven posted 12-17-2008 03:06 PM ET (US)   Profile for b16driven   Send Email to b16driven  
OK, I've obviously overpriced my Outrage. I had no idea how many boats are for sale in Florida. Fact is, I need to sell this boat as soon as possible, and get as much cash as I possibly can.

Just how low should I price this to sell??

Here are the specs again:

83 Outrage 18', all rails, no parts missing
Bimini top and console cover (bimini is aftermarket, cover is Mills)
1996 Johnson 115 V4 J115TXA REBUILT COMPLETELY in 2007 by Powerhead Exchange in Tampa using forged pistons and rods. They rebuilt using the existing block (it was/is in excellent shape). New water pump, new thermostats. Starts every time and runs like a top.
-Two new batteries (house and starting)
-Just replaced fuel fill line and vent hoses
-Trailer won't win any beauty contests but has axle, hubs, springs and tires that are one year old. Bunks in good shape. Brand new tongue.

The hull has a few blemishes. I've been scraping the bottom paint off for a while, and it's mostly gone. The gelcoat under it is in decent shape. There is some waviness on the sides, but it is purely cosmetic. There is a small repair on the front that is gray instead of tan. Teak is in good shape on gunwales and excellent shape on the console.

All drain tubes are in good shape. Lights and electrics work properly except the trim/tilt gauge


Blackduck posted 12-17-2008 04:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Blackduck  Send Email to Blackduck     
You name it, it's working against you, time of year, economy, 115 HP motor, far from perfect condition. My guess is that at $5000, you should move it.
Buckda posted 12-17-2008 05:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
I know you said you need to move it quickly but I figured some time ago that (unfortunately), you can probably get your BEST PRICE for an 18' Outrage by parting it out and selling those parts on the net.

$175 for the red/green nav lights alone.

This will take considerable time, however (up to and perhaps more than a year).

I agree - $5,000 is an attractive price, however, the market is in such a state that it may not move anyway.

Good luck. I am very frustrated right now because I saw a sweet 25 Outrage at a great price, but I'm buying a house...(lucky me), and that has completely tapped the discretionary funds.


Newtauk1 posted 12-17-2008 05:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Newtauk1  Send Email to Newtauk1     
9-10k is my take on price.
b16driven posted 12-17-2008 05:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for b16driven  Send Email to b16driven     
Ouch. I knew it was bad, but not that bad. Although there are over 250 listings in the boat section of CL every day, that ought to be a clue.

I'd take $5000 right now at this point. Man that bites. I paid that for a 13' three years ago.

Unfortunately parting it out is not an option. I might have the option of storing it here for a while.

Newtauk: I wish. When I first priced it at 8,000 I was laughed off the intarwebs. Unless that was sarcasm.

Casco Bay Outrage posted 12-17-2008 05:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Casco Bay Outrage  Send Email to Casco Bay Outrage     
For prospective buyers, detailed photos showing it in it's best light will bring in the shoppers. Look at your competitor's photos.

Stow the fenders, clean up the bow/stern lines and re-shoot a photo of the bow from behind the console. Add a photo showing the area aft of the leaning post. Add photos of the teak gunnels and doors.

I would say 8k if you have the front cooler/seat. There is a lot of competition.

Bulldog posted 12-17-2008 05:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bulldog  Send Email to Bulldog     
Looks like a nice boat on a trailer that works, $5,000 is a good price , let it sit a week then put it on E-bay with a starting bid of $5,000. My Newport received no action here and on another site, but sold on auction in three days. The 115hp motor wouldn't bother me or many others. I have considered downsizing and the 17' or 18' Outrages are very desirable boats. Good luck.....Jack
b16driven posted 12-17-2008 08:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for b16driven  Send Email to b16driven     
I do have the cooler seat and a nice set of polished mahogany braces for it installed on the floor. Also, the console has been raised about 4" for taller people by installing aluminum I beam between the deck and console. Beautiful job and completely reversible if desired.

I do need to re-shoot those photos. I was in a hurry and the sun was setting.

I know the boat is rated for 150+ hp, but it gets along at a good 36 mph or so with the 115. Not fast, but not pokey either.

I just learned that I may not have to sell it as quickly as I thought, depends which job offer I take. I may hold out for $6,000.

I'm moving to San Francisco. I know there are some whaler people out there, I need to hook up with someone out there that can give me the occasional ride!

TransAm posted 12-17-2008 09:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for TransAm    
Place your boat on e-bay starting at $100 or so. Place your reserve at your bottom line and let the auction fly. If it sells-you've accomplished your mission. If not, it will have likely have been bid up to what the market will bear and you will have a good idea of what others are willing to pay.
ryanwhaler posted 12-17-2008 09:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for ryanwhaler  Send Email to ryanwhaler     
I can't bleave that boat won't move for 5k..... a year or two ago that would be unheard of. I'd try to hang on to her and wait for better days or keep her for yourself unless you are that tight for cash that its not do-able.
stefan posted 12-17-2008 10:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for stefan  Send Email to stefan     
Sorry to hear you have to sell, I remember meeting you at Anclote Island gig....If there is any interest on your part, as Buckda said, those Nav lights are rare; I'll swap my perko's and give you the $.

Good luck- San Fran is fabulous!


b16driven posted 12-18-2008 01:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for b16driven  Send Email to b16driven     
I'd love to give the OEM parts to one of you guys, but at this point, I don't want to give anyone an excuse to talk me out of another few hundred.

I know that the value of EVERYTHING has gone down so drastically, I can't believe we're in the crapper this badly. I have a friend who happens to be doing well right now, and he's looking at buying a waterfront house that used to be $750K for about $275K.

elaelap posted 12-18-2008 01:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
If you're moving to S.F., tow that boat with you and she'll sell out here in northern California in a day or two at that price. And if you arrive boatless, be sure to email and I'll get you out on the water.


Austin Whaler posted 12-18-2008 03:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Austin Whaler  Send Email to Austin Whaler     
If you really want to sell it i would, first finish removing the bottom paint it would make the boat look like it is in much better condition or re-bottom paint it and it would look more ready for the water, i would remove the little bit of existing paint. Also paint the lower unit, the paint on it now will make buyers think that it has gone through more than it should have. Also clean up the boat and store everything in a proper spot on the boat or buy a cheap "garden box" or something to keep all excess stuff in. Just something cheap from home depot. also before a buyer comes to look at the boat make sure it is power washed or cleaned, and run the engine and let it warm up before they get there so it will start quick and easy when they want to hear it run. Just a few tips!
Blackduck posted 12-18-2008 03:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Blackduck  Send Email to Blackduck     
Austin makes some real good suggestions. If I was closer, I'd buy the boat for $5000, clean up the motor, paint the lower and mid section, and sell it for $2000. You than would have $3000 in the boat and trailer. A real nice, 10 year old Yamaha 150 could probably be had for $3500, or so. That would be a great $6500 investment. Rhode Island is just to far away for me to do this, but someone here should, Merry Christmas.
Ritzyrags posted 12-18-2008 06:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
Hello Driven,

I think that your unit is very reasonably priced at 5K.
The fact is that timing may be off here.
If you "need" money fast;
You will have to go for broke and compromise.
If I was in your shoes I would;
While aggressively advertising;
Get the boat inside some where,(if possible)
Get it off the trailer and beautify the hull.
Sand it down and give the whole bottom a new shine.
Keep busy at waxing and polishing the unit.
Address the trailer needs as in paint and electrical.
Minimum of costs while keeping busy at making your unit more attractive to a prospective buyer.
Update your photos showing the new polished look.
As suggested by well wishers advertise on EBAY and see if the wind will blow your way.
If not.. There is always Springtime when boat sales are showing more interests.

Wishing you luck.

b16driven posted 12-18-2008 07:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for b16driven  Send Email to b16driven     
Yeah, I was definitely in a hurry to get it up for sale. I've been running around like a one legged man in a know. The thing is that I live in a condo and store it in a lot, and I don't have the facilities to do the bottom over properly myself. I can definitely clean it up and stow the junk.

I'll need to paint the outboard, for sure.

I'm also not quite in as much of a hurry as I thought, so I can take some time to really get it in better shape for sale. Anyone know of a person with access to a davit-type lift in SW Florida that I can use?

whalersailer posted 12-18-2008 08:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersailer  Send Email to whalersailer     
Have you tried advertising it anywhere else besides here?

This isn't the only showroom in town...

Good Luck!


WLV Kevin posted 12-19-2008 12:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for WLV Kevin  Send Email to WLV Kevin     
If it was in SF rather than FL, I'd be giving you a serious look. Have been on the hunt for a 18' outrage for a while.
stefan posted 12-19-2008 09:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for stefan  Send Email to stefan     
I hear ya- Nick has a lift I believe-he's in Ellenton-not to far from you-email him-his call name here is tohsgib- he might be looking for an 18.......
Tohsgib posted 12-19-2008 12:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
I'm quite happy with my Revenge thank you. My lift is not a davit but a cradle so it would do you no help unless you can levitate below it to scrape ;) Your best bet honestly is to put it on blocks and do the work on the ground with a blue tarp under you...easy to do.
Newtauk1 posted 12-19-2008 02:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for Newtauk1  Send Email to Newtauk1     
Those boats were selling for close to 10k last year. I guess its the market right now. I hope it works out for you.
stefan posted 12-20-2008 09:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for stefan  Send Email to stefan     
come on Nick, what's another Whaler to your collection?!
Fishmore posted 12-20-2008 03:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Fishmore    
Bring it to SF and it will sell for 8k
ratherwhalering posted 12-23-2008 09:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for ratherwhalering  Send Email to ratherwhalering     
Agreed... Your average Montauk is 8k nowadays here in SF.

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