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Gordo posted 01-24-2009 01:06 AM ET (US)
I'm about to buy a 1984 17' Montauk (is that their only length) with a 2000 90 hp Yamaha oil injected engine, with galv trailer. The owner is asking $10,500 -- is this a fair price? Hard to believe for a 25 year old boat, but it is a newer engine and it's in good shape.
Also -- I'm going to be beaching this a bit...should I apply some coating or tape to the keel?
Forgive my ignorance...this is a great site and I've enjoyed reading and researching from you passionate whalers. Look forward to joining the club.

JMARTIN posted 01-24-2009 01:51 AM ET (US)
Welcome fellow PNW boater.
Unfortantely, Whalers are always in demand for the Puget Sound Region. My buddy looked for a couple of months for a 17 Montauk. He got a 1995 with a 1995 Mercury 100 with 150 hours on it, 1995 EZ Loader trailer, stern seat, plus other goodies for 13,000.
How many hours on the motor and can you take some pictures of the boat?
Do not leave Oregon out of your searches. Good luck.
John
Gordo posted 01-24-2009 11:12 AM ET (US)
Don't know the hours, and I have been searching ebay/craigslist in OR and the Bay Area. Seems like the boats themselves don't depreciate much between early 80's and late 90's, is that right? If the engine is in good shape this is probably a fair deal if your friend paid $13k with those extras...
JMARTIN posted 01-24-2009 12:02 PM ET (US)
Sounds fair if the boat is in good shape, original set up, a well maintained outboard and dependable trailer. Sounds crazy, 10k for a 25 year old 17 foot boat, but that is what they go for in this area. John
Casco Bay Outrage posted 01-24-2009 12:34 PM ET (US)
If you look at classic Montauks (1980's) with original power, the market supports 4-6k, 7k if in great shape. Add the newer motor and you can see close to 10k.
Does it include a trailer and electronic components (VHF, GPS, Sounder etc)?
With the resale market for boats in the basement, you are in the drivers seat. Shop around (boattrader.com, yachtworld, craigslist et al.) and find comparable candidates. Then make an offer you think is fair to you and the buyer.
For beaching, consider a keel guard. It is a DIY install. If you do a search (under New Topic button) you will find a dozen prior discussions.

lizard posted 01-24-2009 08:23 PM ET (US)
Here in CT, that would be a $7-8K boat as well. At our place in So. Cal- you would expect to pay $10K.
Gordo posted 01-24-2009 11:26 PM ET (US)
Has anyone ever spent the money to transport a boat purchased in a "less expensive" part of the US? If it's a 3-4k savings to buy on the east coast, maybe it could be worth it.
Thanks everyone for this great advice. I'm inclined to offer the guy $10k, maybe just pay his price if I have to, if it looks like it's well put together. I could probably look for three more months and not do better, then it's Spring and I'll want to be out on the water!
thunderpaste posted 01-24-2009 11:57 PM ET (US)
I just bought an 88 Montauk with brand new Evinrude E-tec 90 for 11500. I am in New Orleans. After searching every Craig's List for 1000 miles for 4 months I can say I got a pretty good deal. Its a two owner boat and the hull and teak are in good condition.
kwik_wurk posted 01-25-2009 01:50 AM ET (US)
Gordo.
The PNW market is definitely the highest in the continental US. I don't know why, but it is. I get blown away at the prices in Texas and Florida.
Oddly enough PNW CL offerings are a little high, at this exact moment. (In fact, a little excessive.) I think it is a little pressure from the boat show. But in general Montauks are a high demand boat.
I would get an hour count on that engine; at minimum. Then I have deep look at the material condition. Then look at how much "OEM" equipment is on the boat. -- From there you should have some talking points.
In my opinion I would not pay this much. I would target $7.5 -8.5K if everything is in real good shape, and low hours. If the boat was in this range it would be sold. I think I have seen the adds for this boat, and it has been around for a bit.
But it is a buyers market:
For example I had a friend by at 1998 Neptune 21' (walk around) with 200 hp 2 stroke, hard top, with 9.9 4S kick (elect. start trim/tilt) for $13.5k. This was a nice boat.
Gordo posted 01-25-2009 08:33 PM ET (US)
just to close the loop...just bought this boat for $10,000. Seemed fair...trailer had some rust, didn't have any canvas, but the boat was totally solid and the 2000 Yamaha in good shape. Now I need to find some canvas...any suggestions?
Tom W Clark posted 01-25-2009 08:40 PM ET (US)
Congratulations. You will enjoy that boat.
If you are going to be beaching that boat around here, you definitely want to install a keel guard on it. The Almond color is right for a 1984 Montauk:
http://www.keelguard.com/keelguard.html
For canvas, I recommend Mills:
http://www.millscanvas.com/frame_index2.htm
There is no better.
I have owned three Montauks on Puget Sound and to be truthful, and the canvas systems are very restrictive. The boat is better without running canvas.
kwik_wurk posted 01-26-2009 01:19 AM ET (US)
Congrats...
This is a great site for anything you want to know.
Hope to see you out there.
I cover a lot of ground, Pt. Defiance to Foulweather Bluff is where I spend most of my time on the water.
And you can't miss me when my canvas is flying.
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb127/kwik_wurk/IMG_0676.jpg
starlight marine posted 01-26-2009 09:31 AM ET (US)
Just a quick note . My 2 cents worth on THAT keel guard. Be carefull if you have a forward keel roller. My keel guard seperated from itself. They stood behind their prodcut and we sent them pictures to help the out in the future but just be careful with too much pressure on fwd. keel roller. Best of luck,T
JMARTIN posted 01-26-2009 01:56 PM ET (US)
I think you will be pleased with your new boat.
The keelguard in Tom's link, is a fine product. The roller will compromise it over time.
As far as canvas goes, I have not a clue what works. My buddy has a funky like sun top thing. It is useless while underway. It does store up over the rail on the bow nicely, but if it was my boat, I would take it off. John
Tohsgib posted 01-26-2009 01:59 PM ET (US)
Not in FL you would'nt unless you like to melt ;)
JMARTIN posted 01-26-2009 03:16 PM ET (US)
No melting here, but you can get burned.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d137/jmartin-/light018.jpg
This is the boat my buddy bought last March for 13k.
Anybody reconize the "battleship" in the backgound?
John
Gordo posted 01-27-2009 12:59 AM ET (US)
You guys are great. All very helpful. I pinged Mills today and will get hooked up with a console cover etc.

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Author	Topic: Value of an '84 Montauk 17?
Gordo	posted 01-24-2009 01:06 AM ET (US) I'm about to buy a 1984 17' Montauk (is that their only length) with a 2000 90 hp Yamaha oil injected engine, with galv trailer. The owner is asking $10,500 -- is this a fair price? Hard to believe for a 25 year old boat, but it is a newer engine and it's in good shape. Also -- I'm going to be beaching this a bit...should I apply some coating or tape to the keel? Forgive my ignorance...this is a great site and I've enjoyed reading and researching from you passionate whalers. Look forward to joining the club.
JMARTIN	posted 01-24-2009 01:51 AM ET (US) Welcome fellow PNW boater. Unfortantely, Whalers are always in demand for the Puget Sound Region. My buddy looked for a couple of months for a 17 Montauk. He got a 1995 with a 1995 Mercury 100 with 150 hours on it, 1995 EZ Loader trailer, stern seat, plus other goodies for 13,000. How many hours on the motor and can you take some pictures of the boat? Do not leave Oregon out of your searches. Good luck. John
Gordo	posted 01-24-2009 11:12 AM ET (US) Don't know the hours, and I have been searching ebay/craigslist in OR and the Bay Area. Seems like the boats themselves don't depreciate much between early 80's and late 90's, is that right? If the engine is in good shape this is probably a fair deal if your friend paid $13k with those extras...
JMARTIN	posted 01-24-2009 12:02 PM ET (US) Sounds fair if the boat is in good shape, original set up, a well maintained outboard and dependable trailer. Sounds crazy, 10k for a 25 year old 17 foot boat, but that is what they go for in this area. John
Casco Bay Outrage	posted 01-24-2009 12:34 PM ET (US) If you look at classic Montauks (1980's) with original power, the market supports 4-6k, 7k if in great shape. Add the newer motor and you can see close to 10k. Does it include a trailer and electronic components (VHF, GPS, Sounder etc)? With the resale market for boats in the basement, you are in the drivers seat. Shop around (boattrader.com, yachtworld, craigslist et al.) and find comparable candidates. Then make an offer you think is fair to you and the buyer. For beaching, consider a keel guard. It is a DIY install. If you do a search (under New Topic button) you will find a dozen prior discussions.
lizard	posted 01-24-2009 08:23 PM ET (US) Here in CT, that would be a $7-8K boat as well. At our place in So. Cal- you would expect to pay $10K.
Gordo	posted 01-24-2009 11:26 PM ET (US) Has anyone ever spent the money to transport a boat purchased in a "less expensive" part of the US? If it's a 3-4k savings to buy on the east coast, maybe it could be worth it. Thanks everyone for this great advice. I'm inclined to offer the guy $10k, maybe just pay his price if I have to, if it looks like it's well put together. I could probably look for three more months and not do better, then it's Spring and I'll want to be out on the water!
thunderpaste	posted 01-24-2009 11:57 PM ET (US) I just bought an 88 Montauk with brand new Evinrude E-tec 90 for 11500. I am in New Orleans. After searching every Craig's List for 1000 miles for 4 months I can say I got a pretty good deal. Its a two owner boat and the hull and teak are in good condition.
kwik_wurk	posted 01-25-2009 01:50 AM ET (US) Gordo. The PNW market is definitely the highest in the continental US. I don't know why, but it is. I get blown away at the prices in Texas and Florida. Oddly enough PNW CL offerings are a little high, at this exact moment. (In fact, a little excessive.) I think it is a little pressure from the boat show. But in general Montauks are a high demand boat. I would get an hour count on that engine; at minimum. Then I have deep look at the material condition. Then look at how much "OEM" equipment is on the boat. -- From there you should have some talking points. In my opinion I would not pay this much. I would target $7.5 -8.5K if everything is in real good shape, and low hours. If the boat was in this range it would be sold. I think I have seen the adds for this boat, and it has been around for a bit. But it is a buyers market: For example I had a friend by at 1998 Neptune 21' (walk around) with 200 hp 2 stroke, hard top, with 9.9 4S kick (elect. start trim/tilt) for $13.5k. This was a nice boat.
Gordo	posted 01-25-2009 08:33 PM ET (US) just to close the loop...just bought this boat for $10,000. Seemed fair...trailer had some rust, didn't have any canvas, but the boat was totally solid and the 2000 Yamaha in good shape. Now I need to find some canvas...any suggestions?
Tom W Clark	posted 01-25-2009 08:40 PM ET (US) Congratulations. You will enjoy that boat. If you are going to be beaching that boat around here, you definitely want to install a keel guard on it. The Almond color is right for a 1984 Montauk: http://www.keelguard.com/keelguard.html For canvas, I recommend Mills: http://www.millscanvas.com/frame_index2.htm There is no better. I have owned three Montauks on Puget Sound and to be truthful, and the canvas systems are very restrictive. The boat is better without running canvas.
kwik_wurk	posted 01-26-2009 01:19 AM ET (US) Congrats... This is a great site for anything you want to know. Hope to see you out there. I cover a lot of ground, Pt. Defiance to Foulweather Bluff is where I spend most of my time on the water. And you can't miss me when my canvas is flying. http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb127/kwik_wurk/IMG_0676.jpg
starlight marine	posted 01-26-2009 09:31 AM ET (US) Just a quick note . My 2 cents worth on THAT keel guard. Be carefull if you have a forward keel roller. My keel guard seperated from itself. They stood behind their prodcut and we sent them pictures to help the out in the future but just be careful with too much pressure on fwd. keel roller. Best of luck,T
JMARTIN	posted 01-26-2009 01:56 PM ET (US) I think you will be pleased with your new boat. The keelguard in Tom's link, is a fine product. The roller will compromise it over time. As far as canvas goes, I have not a clue what works. My buddy has a funky like sun top thing. It is useless while underway. It does store up over the rail on the bow nicely, but if it was my boat, I would take it off. John
Tohsgib	posted 01-26-2009 01:59 PM ET (US) Not in FL you would'nt unless you like to melt ;)
JMARTIN	posted 01-26-2009 03:16 PM ET (US) No melting here, but you can get burned. http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d137/jmartin-/light018.jpg This is the boat my buddy bought last March for 13k. Anybody reconize the "battleship" in the backgound? John
Gordo	posted 01-27-2009 12:59 AM ET (US) You guys are great. All very helpful. I pinged Mills today and will get hooked up with a console cover etc.