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Michael L posted 02-12-2009 01:31 PM ET (US)   Profile for Michael L   Send Email to Michael L  
I am going to look at a 1987 Outrage 18 with a 2005 Yamaha 150 (140 hours). From the available photos, the boat looks in very good condition. The asking price is $14,800. I have reviewed Jim’s great gouge on buying an older Whaler and have searched the forum for issues of concern about the boat. I know I want to check the deck for soft spots. Two issues bother me a bit. The boat is not kept in the water but trailered back and forth a short distance. The trailer is a Cox with rollers, no keel support. So with winter storage, its on those rollers a lot. Whaler says this is a no-no. If I have the boat lifted off the trailer, will I be able to tell if there has been any damage to the fiberglass? Is the fact that is has been on a roller trailer a deal killer? Since it’s a 1987 Outrage, the fuel hoses, if original, were not ethanol proof. If nothing has been done to the fuel system, should all fill and supply hoses be replaced and how big a job is that? Any other thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I also plan to have the boat surveyed before making an offer.

Mike

Tohsgib posted 02-12-2009 02:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Depends on how many rollers and how situated. I have owned roller Whalers before and never had any problems.
elaelap posted 02-12-2009 02:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
For comparison, Mike, I sold my '88 OR 18 with a Yamaha F115 motor--760 hours--for more than that a couple of years ago. The boat itself was probably a pretty clean "8" condition-wise, with no fancy electronics (in fact I pulled off my chart plotter before I advertised the boat). I also pulled my kicker, an old workhorse Yamaha 8 hp two stroke that I loved. I had paperwork for all the regularly scheduled maintenance; I had logged oil changes every 80-100 hours; flushed the motor religiously and it ran like a top; and I put some work into brightening up the wood before I placed my ad.

The boat basically sold via telephone the day after I advertised her here in the Marketplace forum. I had immediate responses from half a dozen potential buyers--one of whom was going to fly his own plane down to northern California from Canada to check her out--and two of whom offered deposits to stay in "second position" after I told them I had accepted a deposit from the first bidder.

I'm sure it didn't hurt that I had published a number of articles with photos at this website describing my adventures in that sweet boat--several of the potential buyers told me that they recognized the boat and sympathized with my decision to sell.

Anyway, it was a different economy back then and a very hot market for classic Outrage 18s on the west coast, so probably this comparison isn't of much use, but yes, Mike, if that boat and motor checks out that's a very good deal. And remember this: keep her in good condition and document your engine maintenance and you'll be able to sell her down the line for just about the same amount you paid for her, so you can't really go far wrong.

Good luck--those OR 18s are amazing boats and I still mourn the sale of my sweet 'Cetaceous.'

Tony

Tohsgib posted 02-12-2009 02:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
2 or 4 stroke?
Michael L posted 02-12-2009 04:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Michael L  Send Email to Michael L     
It's a 2-stroke.
Michael L posted 02-12-2009 04:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Michael L  Send Email to Michael L     
"Anyway, it was a different economy back then and a very hot market for classic Outrage 18s on the west coast, so probably this comparison isn't of much use, but yes, Mike, if that boat and motor checks out that's a very good deal. And remember this: keep her in good condition and document your engine maintenance and you'll be able to sell her down the line for just about the same amount you paid for her, so you can't really go far wrong."

Thanks, Tony.

It IS a very strange time for buying or selling a boat. Matter of fact, it's just a really strange time overall. The owner of the Outrage 18 wants to move up to a larger boat and I want to move down to a smaller boat. Just happened to catch his ad. It looks (from the pictures) like he took very good care of it. So we will see.

Mike

elaelap posted 02-12-2009 05:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
Whoops...sharp-eyed Nick caught it and I didn't. I thought the boat had an F150 four stroke, perhaps the ultimately perfect motor for this model, much as I liked my F115 for my uses. I'll bet that thing hauls ass with the 150 two-smoker, but I wouldn't touch her out here in California, both for reasons of limitation on her use and loss of resale value. In fact, when I bought my OR 18 I immediately replaced her decent originally-rigged Yamaha 115 2/s with the new F115 4/s and lived happily ever after.

Sorry...I was comparing apples to oranges.

Tony

phatwhaler posted 02-13-2009 12:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for phatwhaler  Send Email to phatwhaler     
I would look down the side of the hull and look for wavyness. It's pretty common and mainly just cosmetic. Could be used to bargain the guy down.
You didn't say what other goodies came with the boat but down here in Florida that's a $4000 motor and a $1,000 trailer. My question is a 22 year old 18 Whaler worth 10K? 15 g's seems high to me.

Some dude on here just bought a 1998 21 Outrage with a 225 Yamaha and a tandem aluminum trailer for 11 grand? I know the 21 doesn't have any wood on it but damn.

towboater posted 02-13-2009 02:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for towboater  Send Email to towboater     
Recent CW fuel tank threads document Florida Tank life expectancy to be 20 - 22 years.

1987 - 2009 = 22 years.

Approx 1 out of 20 classic Whaler CW repair topics the past two years involve replacing below deck fuel tanks.
OEM tanks are still avail around $800, and pro installation is probably another $800. Dont take my word for it, check it out yourself.

good luck

mk

Michael L posted 02-13-2009 02:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Michael L  Send Email to Michael L     
I know it's been said before many times, but CW is an amazing resource for all things Whaler.

After towboater's comment about the lifespan of a Whaler integral fuel tank, I did more forum research. Sure is a lot of stuff on fuel tanks and when and how to replace them.

Replacing this boat's tank has got to be part of the price. I am trading down and the owner is trading up, so it's a matter of cash difference.

Although the Outrage 18 is one hell of a boat, the newer 170 Montauk with above deck tanks has an appeal and a simplicity that might suit me better.

Thanks for all your help.

Mike

elaelap posted 02-13-2009 04:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
Everything's a trade-off, Mike. I was going back and forth between a classic OR 18 and a new MT170, and for me the below-deck 63-gallon tank in the Outrage was an important determining factor, despite possible repair problems along the way. I really liked the idea of having the weight of all that fuel below, lowering my boat's center of gravity, especially because I used her almost exclusively in the often lumpy seas north of San Francisco. Luckily, I had absolutely no problems with fuel hose or tank leaks, though I'd occasionally get some gasoline run-off from the portside thru-hull vent while fueling if I didn't take it slow.

Tony

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