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|Author||Topic: 18' outrage|
posted 02-28-2009 12:38 AM ET (US)
I have a 1983 18' outrage in good condition with a 2007 yamaha 4 stroke 150 with less than 40 hrs, new garmin 480 gps, fish finder, depth finder. new vhf, radio with cd, sirius. New bimini top. dual axle galvanized trailer. Pics to come soon. Not sure I want to sell yet. I work a lot of hours and I'm not sure I need a boat right now. The boat is a 9/10, and I would take it anywhere at any time with no hesitation. If interested make offer or let me know what you think.
posted 02-28-2009 09:11 AM ET (US)
5000 is my offer.
posted 02-28-2009 11:11 AM ET (US)
How about $4000???
Sounds good to me.
posted 02-28-2009 03:47 PM ET (US)
Sam, the best way to get a rough idea for value on something is to list it on eBay. Set the reserve high. If it doesn't sell, that okay. I'd set the reserve for your boat at $16,999. Photos would help. One factor that might work against you is location. There might be less interest or disposable income in MS -- I have no idea -- maybe it's the opposite. Thing is, once you sell your classic Outrage it could take years to find another, and then a ton of effort to make it as nice as what you already have. The problem with selling your boat on this web site is the excess negativity, and the fact that most people on this site already own a Whaler.
posted 02-28-2009 04:57 PM ET (US)
Decide to sell it and set a price or not. Other wise you are wasting time and space. Are you selling or asking what it is worth?
posted 02-28-2009 05:47 PM ET (US)
Newtauk1: Life is short, why be a jerk?
posted 02-28-2009 06:52 PM ET (US)
$5001.00. Is that better Maxipad? The author is unclear with the post/ad. If he wants serious offers I suggest he is clear on what he is asking. Is he looking for real offers or just fishing for a price. I am looking for an 18-20 foot boat. I am unclear about this ad and as a serious buyer it frustrating to have to fill in the blanks for the poster.
posted 02-28-2009 06:58 PM ET (US)
This thread is the perfect example of why this site isn't the site we all knew and loved 5 or more years ago. And it's really a shame. We get a new visitor who happens to own one of the most desirable Whaler models. And it presents a golden opportunity for someone interested in this model to start a dialog that might lead to a purchase. This is why, when I have something for sale, I no longer list it here. I go directly to eBay or WhalerCentral, where I know I will be treated civilly.
posted 02-28-2009 07:22 PM ET (US)
Dan. The seller(?) truely needs to be more clear. If he is asking for an appraisal he would be better served to state it and provide ALL the info at the time rather then promising additional info later. Compare this post to ones that are clear and you will indeed see responses that are not filled with sarcasm, but earnest potential buyers or helpful appraisals. Would you let someone walk around with their fly down? Of course not. This boat could be absolute junk. No one knows. Is it for sale?... Not sure. Honestly the going price for this 26 year old boat right now is about $8500-12k tops. With the current economy and Tax Day looming used boats are moving at 60% of "normal" value. am sure Jim will shut this post down ASAP as it should have been. I do not think I should be called a jerk for making a low ball offer. I deserve it for many other reasons.
posted 02-28-2009 08:14 PM ET (US)
Newtauk1 I would'nt sell this boat to you for $1,000,000.00, you are a jerk, and I was wondering what mine might be worth. I have about $25,000.00 in the boat and I was wondering about how much of a loss I would take if I sold it. So thanks to you Newtauk1 and your sarcasim, I will will never post another thing on this website. MaxHP was right you are truly a JERK!!! By the way I was offered $17,500.00 for the boat this morning and I'm considereing selling it. Now that I see how whaler owners act (if they all act like Newtauk1),and I believe I will sell the boat and purchase a boat that is more down to earth, being that it seems whaler owners or sooo yuppy (Newtauk1). Tell Jim to pull my posting and for that matter, cancel my account. I no longer want to be affiliated with people such as Newtauk1. Thanks for all the memories on Continuous Wave.
posted 02-28-2009 09:05 PM ET (US)
Take the 17.5 and run. Seriously. That is great money for an '83. You will only be backwards by 8500. Well done. No need for name calling. I am sorry I got your panties in a bunch.
posted 02-28-2009 09:23 PM ET (US)
samjtay2-Here are your own words from a previous post.
"I'm in general a very indecisive person and I'm starting to question the fact should I spend all this money to re-power a 1983 outrage 18 or should I sell it and buy a new boat alltogether."
I feel bad that you are backwards on this boat. Hang on to it. You have a new motor and a solid classic hull. If you feel I am being a Jerk because you do not like my honest opinions which you asked for then I do not know what to tell you. Whalers are expensive boats and not for everyone. You stated last year that you were not gong to buy another Whaler because you could not afford one.
"I'm (Samjtay2) starting to debate if I should re-power or just buy a new rig, of course I would not be able to afford a whaler, I would probably have to go with a keywest, pro-line, or something along those lines."
Don't blame my curtness as a reason not to buy another Whaler.
Try this. www.keywestboatsinc.com
posted 02-28-2009 09:44 PM ET (US)
ps. it's YUPPIE not Yuppy.
posted 02-28-2009 10:59 PM ET (US)
So many people list items in marketplace without a price and sometimes without a location.
People want to know what do you want for an item? If it’s a large item a person does not want to travel usually from Florida to the NW to buy a boat.
Ask for an appraisal, you get some variance, but most are in the ballpark.
posted 03-01-2009 12:03 AM ET (US)
Dick- Where would you price this boat? 12-15k?
posted 03-01-2009 08:38 AM ET (US)
Since this road has been driven down many times, and often it leads to innocent sellers just testing the waters, and serious buyers frustrated with lack of details...Perhaps a nice addition to the wave would be a Sellers History tab where people could post boats/items that they have sold/bought (one pic). This way if someone wanted to know what their boat/equip/hardware was worth they could reference the page and see what something similar to theirs sold for..
Just an idea, don't throw me under the bus on this one!
posted 03-01-2009 09:22 AM ET (US)
What an interesting bit of dialogue at the end of this thread.
It is nice that you guys did end up cutting him a bit of slack...
Hey! If you are in a buying mood give him a private call if not help him get on the straight and narrow.
A unit like this one should find a wanting home among us fairly easily.
Pass it on,
Just pass it on...
posted 03-01-2009 09:32 AM ET (US)
It took me 2 years to find the 18 Outrage I just bought. Samjtay2's boat is definitely one I would have been interested in, if it were not for the boat being too far from NY in MS. A serious buyer doesn't need, and may not want the price posted in a public forum, as too good a price will only bring competition. A serious buyer would welcome the chance to contact someone selling what he's looking for -- especially if it's a hard to find item. Samjtay2, gave every member of CW a chance to communicate offline with him. He could have gone straight to eBay. All the negative wise-ass comments by people who have no interest in buying the boat is counterproductive and worse.
It's been written here many times, that when you find a nice Whaler, run, don't walk, and bring cash. Samjtay2 is under no obligation to do anything more than he already did. If he had been treated fairly, then we could all have had the chance to see photos of his boat. I'm always interested in seeing photos of 18 Outrages because it might give me ideas on how to better set up my own. The motor, electronics, canvas, and trailer alone are worth close to what he was offered.
I know I'll regret taking the time to write this.
posted 03-01-2009 02:33 PM ET (US)
Newtauk1 -I would price in your range of 12-15k in today's market. Better times, maybe 17k max,but that would be only if the seller could give me an extended warranty on the motor and the boat would be in great shape.
There are lot boats out there, the used boat market is depressed.
posted 03-02-2009 10:54 AM ET (US)
I just posted a 1992 19 or w/2004 150hp for $13,500. For $17,500 I would be laughing all the way to the bank.
posted 03-02-2009 11:50 AM ET (US)
If one is truly interested in selling their boat they should list it with the intention of selling it.
By stating that "Not sure I want to sell yet" and then in the next sentence state "If interested make offer or let me know what you think. " You are setting yourself up for all kinds of comments, good and bad.
Several have made offers that were definitely low ball but you did ask for offers.
Several have let you know what they think and you asked for that also.
I don't see where you have any room to call people a jerk for saying something that you asked for.
If you need to sell the boat look at this thread and watch how fast it goes.
posted 03-02-2009 11:51 AM ET (US)
"....it's been a long cold lonely winter...it seems like years since it's been clear....Here Comes the SUN!! woo woo wooo woooo!"
Lighten up boys, go have a couple of beers or a cocktail! We got SUNNNNN and it's about 27degrees in West Michigan - we'll be seeing Robins any day now.
posted 03-02-2009 12:43 PM ET (US)
Samjtay had every right to post what he did. It's his boat. If he's not sure whether he's ready to sell his boat, that's his right. Of course, like anything else, if someone made him a good offer he might decide to sell. Writing "let me know what you think" is not an open invitation to be abused. Samjtay was abused, and the people who abused him should be ashamed of themselves, as well as all the other people playing devil's advocate. I find it sad that a post made to the wrong topic thread is quickly moderated, yet a ton of inane posts abusing a CW member with a classic Whaler for sale are allowed to stand. This is not the same site it was 5 years ago.
posted 03-02-2009 12:56 PM ET (US)
He should have just listed it for 25 thousand.
posted 03-02-2009 01:13 PM ET (US)
sorry about the way you were treated here. Don't let the manners of a few drive you away, there are still a lot of friendly, knowledgeable people here who can answer your questions....some people just don't know that if you have nothing good to say, or something productive, you shouldn't say anything.
Unfortunately, as has been said here before, we have lost a lot of valuable people, with valuable information regarding whalers, from this site because some people don't know the meaning of the word "courtesy".
posted 03-02-2009 09:35 PM ET (US)
Homo aside aka then there's Pat: "sorry about the way you were treated here"
Please... give me a break. Why are you sorry?Did you cry? The post is so wishy washy. There I used a term you might be more comfortable with. The post sucked. Was it an ad? Who knows. What have you ever offered to this site? Nothing. Grow up.
I have read many of your post. Wow thanks for all the on hands insight.
Here is one gem:
" FYI.....Feb/Mar issue of Boat U.s. Trailering Magazine has a "What's New" comparison article on the Boston Whaler 190 Nantucket, Grady White Tournament 205, Pro-Line 22 Walkaround, Century 2202 Bay Boat, & Aqua-sport 201 Osprey.
on our recent rendezvous to the Detroit Boat Show they neglected to have the 190 Nantucket or the 32 Outrage present for our inspection.....
Pat " are you the Pat from SNL?
posted 03-02-2009 10:26 PM ET (US)
Newtauk--either switch to decaf or get off the booze--you're belligerent. Inflammatory posts have been largely absent here for a while. Why not leave it alone and stop the namecalling?
posted 03-03-2009 08:53 AM ET (US)
dscew- Is it really any of your business? Why not respond to the original authors post or say nothing? When the peanut galley jumps in and starts calling me names then I will respond anyway I see fit. All would be better served by responding to the topic rather the responses.
In this case. My opinion is the boat in question is worth between 11-15k. I suggested that the author make the post clearer in an effort to get better responses. I have submitted an offer of $5000.00.Given the current used boat market 5k is not an unreasonable initial offer. You have to start somewhere.
I suggested the owner hang onto the boat for a number of reasons:
1)They have a significant amount of money invested in it. About 25k and will likely not recoup the money.
2) It has a new motor on a good all around hull (the condition is unknown as the author failed to provide any photos or detailed description)
3) This is possible the worst time ever to sell a boat.
For all of the above I am called a Jerk and am dismissed. Sorry I am not the guy to take that. Period.
posted 03-03-2009 09:08 AM ET (US)
Are you off your Meds? I didn't make the Detroit Boat Show, I have no idea what your talking about....
Am I Pat from SNL? No.... You talk about name calling and make inferences about people because they call you out for your bad/uncalled for behavior. Some people are alive only because it's illegal to put them out of their misery!!! If you had a brain you'd be dangerous!!!! That funny enough for you?
posted 03-03-2009 09:12 AM ET (US)
It's none of my business any more than it's yours. You threw in a sarcastic offer when you determined that the posting didn't meet your standards. The poster is trying to put a value on his boat so he can determine whether or not to sell it. If you don't intend to buy it, stay out of it. And stop with the name calling. Really. Read your posts.
posted 03-03-2009 09:26 AM ET (US)
5k is my initial offer. Why is that sarcastic? I do not understand why it is any of your business what I offer? Are you offering a bid? You are funny.
posted 03-03-2009 11:16 AM ET (US)
I just applied the tone of your subsequent sarcasm/rants/homophobia with your offer.
posted 03-03-2009 01:20 PM ET (US)
I have a completely irrational love for Boston Whalers. For many years this site has been a great source of information and enjoyment. Newtauk1, you are not contributing anything helpful to this site. I hope that some day you will learn that being helpful and kind is much more fun than being mean and nasty. But I’m afraid you will never realize this because you are in the unfortunate position of being an arrogant dolt. Prove me wrong. An apology to the board would be a good start. Good luck to you.
posted 03-03-2009 01:36 PM ET (US)
maxhp. You are wrong. Get a life.
posted 03-05-2009 09:49 PM ET (US)
Doesn't anyone moderate this site? Some of these posters need to be shut out and their posts here taken down. There just is no need for this type of foolishness.
posted 03-05-2009 10:43 PM ET (US)
"MARKETPLACE is generally not a moderated discussion area, because it is not intended to be a discussion area. Recently it seems that several participants have turned the posting of notices of FOR SALE into discussions.
Please do not use MARKETPLACE for discussions.
Posting articles in reply to notices of FOR SALE which are intended to bring criticism to the seller, his merchandise, or his price should not be considered as part of the normal interaction of the MARKETPLACE.
If participants feel that certain sellers are misrepresenting merchandise or have engaged in frauds, please contact me via email to bring this to my attention.
For many years MARKETPLACE has been able to function with little administration or moderation because it was a place in which gentlemen sold and bought from other gentlemen. Let's try to continue that legacy." JimH
posted 03-05-2009 10:49 PM ET (US)
"Again, this reminder on the purpose of the MARKETPLACE. It is for posting of notices of For-Sale or of Wanted-To-Buy. It is not for discussions.
Participants who have no real interest in buying an item offered for sale should avoid appending comments to notices of For-Sale which offer advice to the seller, criticism of the seller, or criticism of his merchandise, or in any way initiate discussions on these topics." Jimh
posted 03-05-2009 11:50 PM ET (US)
I've been patiently awaiting to see a photo of this Outrage 18'.
I guess that I am not going to be rewarded with a few pictures now.
posted 03-11-2009 04:11 PM ET (US)
In this market, $4,000 is NOT a sarcastic, or unrealistic offer for a 26 year old boat that you have never seen and have very limited information about.
I agree, if you want to list the boat for sale, list a price. If you want an idea of what it's worth, say so, and provide as many details and pictures as possible.
posted 03-11-2009 04:13 PM ET (US)
Oh and I DEFINITELY want to see a picture of this boat, for which someone recently offered $17,500. That's one pricey 1983 Outrage!
posted 03-11-2009 05:03 PM ET (US)
I would like to see a picture too. But I don't think we are going to get one because some posters on this thread were very rude to samjtay2. And with all due respect, even in this economy, $4000 was a very sarcastic bid. The motor is 2007 a Yamaha four stroke and has less than 40 hours on it.
It would have been nice to see this thread die a natural death.
posted 03-12-2009 02:07 AM ET (US)
You got to be kiding me. The motor alone is worth twice that.
posted 03-17-2009 09:29 PM ET (US)
It has been a while since I have been checking up on CW forum. Not the same respectful dialog as years ago. There were plenty of disagreements...to be sure. Respect for others was the norm. Lets not drop to the lowest members standards by name calling, or return name calling, just move on and ignore them. If someone is out of line then DON'T RESPOND then they lose and go away. If they are acknowledged then they will continue.
samjtay2-sounds like a great boat, you can't beat the classic whaler repowered with a modern, quiet, and easy starting fuel injected 4 stroke. We have a 19/20 OR with a 225Hp yamaha and a 13SS with a 40 Honda. Sure sounds like you have the ultimate combination...you may want to hang on to it.
This economic situation has put boat buying on the back burner for most people. Your boat is different in that the 18 outrage is a prized commodity among the whaler community. $17500.00 is a pretty fair offer based on prices that other 18 ORs have brought recently. There are likely to be others like myself that wish your boat would have come along when we were in the market to buy.
All the best,
posted 03-18-2009 09:09 PM ET (US)
I just joined Continuous Wave 2 days ago and am surprised to see this level of dialogue and Newtauk1 thrashing around in his cage. Tell me this is not what I am getting into.
posted 03-24-2009 03:11 PM ET (US)
its good that everyone is so busy at work
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