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Dave Sutton posted 03-24-2009 09:04 AM ET (US)   Profile for Dave Sutton   Send Email to Dave Sutton  
OK, Guys: I've found a forward casting platform my my Montauk. Now the seller and I need to set a price.

The part is the drop-in fiberglass console that fits forward of the console and wraps around the console of a smirked Montauk.

Condition is a 'bit' rough, fiberglass has some cracking, gelcoat, etc. Wood hatches need refinishing and maybe some new wood. All of it is certainly restorable but is not in 'bolt on' condition as-is. It's a GOOD project piece.

Seller and I believe that a pulse of the market could be had by asking where what one is worth. Neither of us wants to either get low-ball numbers, or start a bidding war (and the part is mine, so keep yer grubby mitts offa it!)


Best,

Dave

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shindog107 posted 03-24-2009 12:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for shindog107    
I'm interested and would offer up to $225 if it were here in New Jersey

Best of luck

Dave Sutton posted 03-24-2009 01:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dave Sutton  Send Email to Dave Sutton     
"I'm interested and would offer up to $225 if it were here in New Jersey"


He says to a guy (me) presently living in NJ... ;-)

I would buy two dozen of them for that.

Seriously, guys: What is this thing worth?


Dave

Jeff posted 03-24-2009 02:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jeff  Send Email to Jeff     
Dave,

These casting platforms are a rare part, probably one of the most difficult to find. Once you find one, the next challenge is getting the owner to part with it. I know if I had one I would want hold on it at most any cost no matter the condition. Being it needs work....$500 - $750 depending on the amount of work needed. If it did not need gelcoat work and possible wood replacement I would double that figure. That is just my guess.

Buckda posted 03-24-2009 04:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
I am inclined to agree with Jeff on that valuation range based on the stated condition.

If you were to "build your own" it would not be OEM, but could cost you about $500. My teak platform probably falls in that range in terms of material cost.

If you sleep/camp aboard your Montauk, this would be a VERY desireable option. If I had a Montauk, I'd be seeking this item and would be very willing to spend up to $700 on one that needed a little TLC - perhaps $1,000 for one in good condition.

Good find, Dave - and congrats.

Dan posted 03-24-2009 05:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dan  Send Email to Dan     
Without photos this is a pretty useless exercise. Kinda like buying a mail order bride without a photo. Been there, done that.
Dave Sutton posted 03-24-2009 05:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dave Sutton  Send Email to Dave Sutton     
Those numbers fit what I figured, which is about $700-$750.

The condition is as I described: A few cracks, needing new gelcoat, and a little wood-work (IE: more than a simple refinishing, probably a rebuild or re-manufacture of the forward hatch).


Thanks guys..

Dave


Jeff posted 03-24-2009 07:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jeff  Send Email to Jeff     
I have seen pictures of the one Dave is looking at. I know who has it as I have surveyed a Whaler for him here in Michigan. Through that we have ended up talking a number of times a year since. Dave I think both of you would be happy in that price range. One thing though, how are you going to ship it from down there to you?
Dave Sutton posted 03-24-2009 08:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dave Sutton  Send Email to Dave Sutton     
Pallet and Truck Freight, if I don't just drive down and get it. The seller has pallets and does shipment, so I don't think it's an issue. if it becomes one, I'll just take a day each way and go get it.

I think we're all on the same page here as far as value. I'm looking forward on adding it to my Montauk, and with the Mills forward shelter already on the boat, we'll have a nice weekend camper!

Once I have it in hand, I'll be looking for some fiberglass restoration advice, as well as some help redoing the hatches.

Stay tuned!


Dave

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Tohsgib posted 03-25-2009 12:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Sorry kids but i disagree. I sold a very nice one to a member here for like $375 that really needed nothing. I have seen them in nice shape on e-bay and not fetch much more. In that condition I would almost agree with $225 but let's just say $350 if you really want it. It weighs about 80lbs plus packaging so will run you about $100 to ship. Personally I hated the thing and hence why I sold it. With the heavy weight forward, lack of being able to sit on a cooler in front of console, no real storage per say...it is only desireable if you truly need a casting platform.
Jeff posted 03-25-2009 01:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jeff  Send Email to Jeff     
quote:
it is only desireable if you truly need a casting platform

Or, if you are looking for a sleeping platform for camping and also need accessible storage.

Or, if you just really want one.

Not everyone liked the Lee's shepard's crook outrigger bases but those bring high dollars as you just do not find them often and those who want them buy them.

If you know of one on the cheap being sold by someone who does not like theirs I am sure Dave could use the help. Honestly I have only ever seen one for sale and that was for a non smirked Montauk.

WaterWorldBoating posted 03-25-2009 01:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for WaterWorldBoating  Send Email to WaterWorldBoating     
I believe Tohsgib's estimate seems accurate. There was a forward casting platform for a non-smirked Montauk hull listed on Ebay within the past year or so. If my memory is correct they Buy it now was about $500-$550. That was for pickup only. It was listed several times before being sold or removed. I believe the location was in the Carolina's.
Jeff posted 03-25-2009 01:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jeff  Send Email to Jeff     
That casting platform was the one I saw and it was for a Non Smirked 16' hull. That part does not fit the later Montuaks. With the limited number of non smirked 16' Montauks vs smirked 17' Montuaks the amount of people who could use that part would be greatly limited. Thus way it took a while to sell.
Buckda posted 03-25-2009 03:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Well, as with everything - it's price is what the buyer is willing to pay and the seller is willing to let it go for.

If Dave and the seller agree t hat $750 is a fair price, guess what? It is.

Other opinions are irrelevant.

If there is one very recently or currently available for less, please point us to it - as Jeff said, I'm sure Dave would like to see it.

Bottom line, as I pointed out above, is that if you want/need to sleep aboard your 17' Montauk, you are either going to build a non-OEM platform, or you are going to find a relatively rare OEM part and come to terms with the seller.

Because I regularly camp/sleep aboard my Whaler, the utility and value of a platform in the forward part of the boat is considerably higher (to me) than it would be for someone who wouldn't use it at all.

Likewise, I personally felt that $1,000 for a complete outrigger set (base and poles) was a bit rich for my uses, but I don't do a lot of fishing that would benefit from the addition of outriggers. It would be nice to have, but not for $1,000 - perhaps $500.

So there you go - apparently, that set is worth about $1,000 because that is what forum member Dan recently sold his for.

He seems happy with the price and so did the buyer.

Dave Sutton posted 03-25-2009 03:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dave Sutton  Send Email to Dave Sutton     
Thanks Dave... always good info. Thanks Jeff too. Both of you are on the same page as me on this.

As for utility: I've used a forward platform for years, self made from wood. I fish from it, sleep on it, stow gear under it, fill the space under it with ice and stash fish there, and enjoy the better ride that a more forward weighted Montauk provides. Whether or not it's a good addition (for me) is not in question at all.

As for availability: I've only ever seen one offered and it was for non-smirked boat, so... basically I have *never* seen one offered for MY boat.

As for "I sold one for xx...", unless you have one for sale *now*, it's irrelevant. If anyone thinks these are a dime-a-dozen, send them here and I'll buy all twelve. My guess is that nobody can come up with even ONE OTHER one offered for sale.

Talk is cheap, bring on the fiberglass! ;-)

Dave

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mikejana posted 03-25-2009 06:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for mikejana  Send Email to mikejana     
I'll post pictures of it when I get home, but it will have has a new home with Dave. The platform has been outside for a while so it is dull and crazed, but structurally it is sound.
I like the casting platform so much that I bought a complete Montauk just for the part, then hauled the boat from Maryland to Florida. The bottom of my Montauk was destroyed during Hurricane Ivan, but the interior was fine. I saved the platform, parts and console and sold the hull.
I think the fiberglass casting platform is as rare as any whaler part. It was sooo vintage Sakonnet and in my opinion fit the Montauk perfectly. It makes the front of a Montauk extremely versatile. We kept the ski-tube or mats on it and loved what we could do as a family with the boat in that configuration. Mostly it was a nice flat spot to lounge/play/nap/picnic and had lots of space to stuff things. This is a priority item if I own another Montauk.
I was not/am not shopping the part. I am trying to admit that I have more projects than I am able to handle. I also know Dave really wants one of these. I have been helped so many times by kind folks on this site and want to "play it forward". These platforms really don't show up very often so we wanted a pricing consensus that it is fair to both of us.

Thanks for the input.

Mike

Jeff posted 03-25-2009 08:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jeff  Send Email to Jeff     
Mike,
Here you go....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/jeff_rohlfing/Misc%20Whaler/ deck2-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/jeff_rohlfing/Misc%20Whaler/ deck2-1.jpg

Dave glad you found what you are looking for.

Jeff posted 03-25-2009 08:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jeff  Send Email to Jeff     
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/jeff_rohlfing/Misc%20Whaler/ deck2-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/jeff_rohlfing/Misc%20Whaler/ deck1-1.jpg
mikejana posted 03-25-2009 08:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for mikejana  Send Email to mikejana     
Thanks Jeff,
On the road with an Iphone. Not about to try to load pics from it.
Mike
Dave Sutton posted 03-26-2009 09:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dave Sutton  Send Email to Dave Sutton     
Thanks Guys. Glad to see Mike here! I know he's super busy.

The best part of this has been seeing how the "Good Guys" here all help each other out. Mike, Jeff, and "The Other Dave" are all reliably on-target with good advice, good cheer, and good spirits. That's the real value of a site like this.

Dave


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Tohsgib posted 03-26-2009 12:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Mine was for a smirked hull but not sure if it will fit around all the consoles. I also think the buyer never used it and it might be for sale. Do a search here. He lived somewhere in the southeast like Alabama.
adlert posted 03-26-2009 12:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for adlert  Send Email to adlert     
He's here! He's me. I live in East TN. Love the deck - it never leaves the boat anymore, even when we go to salt water. I've re-gel coated it and don't ever forsee selling it. They are excellent additions to the Montauk IMO.

I've actually fashioned a second deck that rests on the gunwales further forward, covering the angled portion of the hull that surrounds the Norman pin. Another excellent idea as it turns out. Gives me a better elevation for cast netting, still more storage for small items like seat cushions underneath, greatly improves access in and out of the bow of the boat (gives you a flat area to step on after swinging your leg over the bow railing), and works as a sitting location for kids and pets. It also never leaves the boat anymore.

Tim

RLwhaler posted 03-26-2009 11:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for RLwhaler  Send Email to RLwhaler     
Nick,would this platform fit BOTH the smirk hull and the non smirk hull?What is the difference in the two?

Richard

Dave Sutton posted 03-27-2009 08:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dave Sutton  Send Email to Dave Sutton     
"would this platform fit BOTH the smirk hull and the non smirk hull?"


The answer is no.

The shape is different. These are molded parts that fit flush into the boat and are shaped to exactly fit the hull contours. The two hulls are different in that the normal small forward decks are totally different, and the new platform must match to that area when it's dropped into the hull. Not only that, they wrap around the console as well, so they need to fit exactly the console that they were built for as well.


Dave

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Tohsgib posted 03-27-2009 10:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
I agree with Dave. That is my other question. The winged console of 76-? is what these were designed for I believe. Would it work with a 84+ console.
adlert posted 03-27-2009 12:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for adlert  Send Email to adlert     
Tohsgib,

My boat is an '84 with the non-winged console. I noticed the lack of support when I first slipped the casting deck in place around the console. Not knowing earlier consoles had wings around them (until just now), I assumed that some sort of support blocks were meant to be installed on the console sides to provide the needed support. Not wanting to drill any more holes in my console I simply cut a piece of treated 5/4 board and positioned it out of sight between the boat deck and next to the casting deck side storage compartment. I did this to both sides and also for the front of the casting deck as well. Amazingly, the boards have not ever moved out of place even with some heavy pounding in the Atlantic. The deck is very solid to walk on, creak-free, and fits just fine around my console. I like the fact that except for the side support, it is largely floating around the console and supported by the hull deck instead of the console. I think that I did need to shave just a tad off the lower, front right and left corners of the casting deck initially to eliminate some rubbing/squeaking against the hull there but having done that it's all great now.

Tim

Dave Sutton posted 03-27-2009 12:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dave Sutton  Send Email to Dave Sutton     
"Would it work with a 84+ console."

Tim has answered with his system, which certainly works.

I plan to cut and attach two longitudinal Star-Board blocks (1 x 2 inches by console-length long) and will attach them to the sides of the console, with backing plates and flush mounted hardware. That will provide the support on the sides of the console.

I am sure that there was an original factory solution similar to this as well, perhaps L shaped aluminum strips or similar.


Dave

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RLwhaler posted 03-27-2009 05:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for RLwhaler  Send Email to RLwhaler     
Dave,would you kindly post the exact measurements to your platform please?I wonder if my "hinged console" from my Lo-Pro would fit for that perticular platform.

Thanks,
Richard

Dave Sutton posted 03-27-2009 06:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dave Sutton  Send Email to Dave Sutton     
As soon as I get it I'll be happy to post photos and measurements. Be after Easter sometime.

Dave

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RLwhaler posted 03-27-2009 09:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for RLwhaler  Send Email to RLwhaler     
Fantastic Dave!thank you.

Richard

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