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RM NY posted 08-20-2009 03:26 PM ET (US)   Profile for RM NY   Send Email to RM NY  
This is a pretty little boat. Fully loaded with the Whaler "fishing package". As far as I can tell this included power up front for a trolling motor, mount for a swivel seat up at the bow ( swivel seat included ), and maybe the rod holders.

This was a Virginia fresh water boat up until last year, then it was lift kept. Boat has never been bottom painted or left in saltwater. Even the trailer is in really good shape for a 10 year old trailer, barely any rust at all on the springs. I also have photos of the original motor that came off the boat to show how clean that motor was.

On to the motor: I rigged this motor this spring, its a 60hp Mercury 4 stroke EFI brand new from the dealer. It carries the full warranty. With the wiring harness adaptor and rigging this motor was close to $7000. There is less then 2 hours on this motor, the paint on the gear case and the prop do not have a single scuff or mark on it.
I installed fixed tabs which help this boat get right on plane.

Has a bimini top, but no other covers.
Cooler seat, orange PFDs, fire estinguisher.

Water/fuel seperator

Replaced the cheap plastic fuel fill/vent combo with a nice high quality stainless unit and seperate flush mount stainless fuel vent.

Replaced plastic deck drains in the transom with nice heavy bronze units.

Boat was just detailed, to be 100% honest, and im sure not everyone is this honest- there are only 2 areas that I can find that have any cracks, a small one almost under the rub rail on the starboard transom corner on the deckcap, and another on the forward hatch probably from being closed on its latch and maybe someone stepping on it like that after. THAT IS IT! Clean, clean , clean.
When we detailed the boat we removed all cleats, rails, and other hardware to polish under it, and re-sealed all hardware we removed.

I have about 20 pictures of this boat including bilge and under console shots. Has original rigging, so there are no extra holes and "why they do that" items on the boat.

Asking $12500, this is big loss because of the motor, please dont compare the price of this boat to a beat up boat with a 10 year old motor, this is a spotless fresh water boat, trailer, and BRAND NEW motor.

This boat is being sold because the owner wants his daughter to have a boat her friends can sit in so he got her a dual console boat to replace this one.

Boat is located in Lindenhurst, NY, 11757
Delivery can easily be arranged.

I am offering this boat to the board as you guys are the enthusiast and can appreciate it, thanks for looking and email me for the pictures.

witsendfl posted 08-20-2009 09:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for witsendfl  Send Email to witsendfl     
HULL values from NADA


Low Retail Average Retail
Base Price
$3,220 $3,630
TOTAL PRICE $3,220 $3,630

These prices are HULL ONLY

I am sure that you have a very clean boat. $12500 is probably above HIGH retail on the boat. Hey if the boat demands that then more power to you. Don't be surprised if there arn't any takers at that price. I don't know how you figure a loss on the package because you added a $7000 motor

Good Luck to you


Jim K

RM NY posted 08-20-2009 10:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for RM NY  Send Email to RM NY     
thank you for your information and your concern, if you have no interest in the boat that is fine.

Find me some other Dauntless for sale that compares to this one for a accurate comparision.

I say it is a loss because he bought the boat last year for $10k and has put close to $8k into it with the motor, so yes he is losing money on it. Maybe he paid alot for it, but it is a exceptionally clean boat and has a brand new motor that will carry what I believe to be a 5 year warranty.

TheWhalerStore posted 08-20-2009 11:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for TheWhalerStore    
And of course this criticisim coming from a boat dealer that currently has a 77 9 foot tender in very rough condition advertised on his own website ,with a very sloppy bottom paint job,salt water,defects in the bottom,crusty seams at the transom actually asking $1495.00 for a boat that is worth $300.00.
Ref photo_gallery.asp?boatid=2159411&pageno=0&picpos=2&sspath=

I am sure he owns the boat for nearly nothing but some unsuspecting soul will fall in love with it as if the last boat on earth.
Yup,I really respect his opinion.

Just sold my 99 Dauntless 14 less engine,on a 2004 Performance trailer for 7800.00. Photos on my website.

The last time I checked,those books don't buy any product,or reflect demand on that product. People do. To some,a boat has no value at all,to others it has much value.

What something is REALLY worth is what someone actually paid as it leaves the driveway and you wave goodbye.

Dont let him upset you. The boat in clean condition is worth all of that 12K.

"Quality Creates Its Own Demand"

RM NY posted 08-21-2009 08:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for RM NY  Send Email to RM NY     
thewhalerstore- thank you for your insight, I appreciate it.

I know we have been talking about selling this boat for the last 4-6 weeks or so and I have been researching a price point on it. I found another boat with no motor being advertised in the $7000 range, maybe it was your boat?

I also found others being advertised in the $9k range with original power, bottom paint etc.

The owner originally wanted me to ask $14000, I told him there was no way anyone would pay that for the boat so we set the price at $12k, the boat really needs to be seen to be appreciated.

RM NY posted 08-21-2009 09:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for RM NY  Send Email to RM NY     
So I had to check that website, that is some pair on you critisizing my price on this boat with the prices you are asking for your boats, that old "refurbished" tender, and especially that old outboard.

fishgutz posted 08-21-2009 01:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for fishgutz  Send Email to fishgutz     
RM NY, You're in the ballpark with a nice boat and a new motor. Nada is always WAY OFF on Whaler prices. I have the same boat with a 10 year old 75 Merc with very low hours. new trailer. If I was selling I'd ask the same. Best of luck to you. There is not another boat made as small that is as seaworthy as a Dauntless 14. Heck it's better in rough conditions than most boats up to and even a few over 18 feet.
TheWhalerStore posted 08-21-2009 02:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for TheWhalerStore    
This was the boat I just sold. It is now in Canada.
RM NY posted 08-21-2009 05:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for RM NY  Send Email to RM NY     
whaler store- that is the boat I had seen, appears to have the fishing package as well.
Mine is white/blue stripes and bimini

and that brand spanking new Merc on the transom!

fishgutz- you really do a double take with this 14 Dauntless, I cant believe what is in this boat for a 14' and yet it does not feel cramped at all. Compared to a 13 its like a yacht

davej14 posted 08-22-2009 06:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for davej14  Send Email to davej14     
I don't know why some are compelled to question the price of someone else that is listing a for sale item. Especially when they have absolutely no interest in buying. If you need to make an unsolicited comment then send an off line e.mail.

As another Dauntless 14 owner, with a 2000 hull and 2000 merc 75 2-stroke, I would not sell for much below the asking price and this one has a new $7,000. motor. A Dauntless 14 in fine shape like this is not something that comes along every day. There were not a lot of them produced but they are great boats that fill the niche between a truly small runabout and and craft where towing capacities and garage space become a limiting factor. If a Dauntless 14 fits you needs then there isn't a better option that I am aware of.

Good luck with the sale, someone will end up with a great boat.

witsendfl posted 08-23-2009 09:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for witsendfl  Send Email to witsendfl     
Did I bash this guys boat somewhere along the line???

If you have a boat that is valued at $8000 and you replace a motor that does not add $7000 to the value of the boat. It maintains its value not increases it.

By maintaining and keeping up a boat makes it hold its value by keeping everything in working order. If a MOTOR goes and you add a NEW one that does not increase the value it maintained its value.

By the way...that little 9 foot whaler will for for between $1000-$1200 as dingy on a boat. Seen it 100 times

Thanks for your input. I never put the guys boat down just the logic behind the pricing



RM NY posted 08-23-2009 08:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for RM NY  Send Email to RM NY     
you can just keep your comments to yourself, that would be the nice thing to do.

You have others who have sold, and own the same boat saying the price is in line, lets leave it at that?

I never said the boat was worth $15k-$17k, Im saying the boat IS worth $12k considering the same boat with original power sells in the $10k range.

BTW the old motor did not "go", it was replaced so that he could have the peace of mind of a new motor and the boat was underpowered with the old 40 that was on it.

crabby posted 08-24-2009 05:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for crabby  Send Email to crabby     
Seen the boat (I drive past it at least twice a day) and it looks very nice.

Not to hijack the thread but I wonder about the story behind the red Montauk?

RM NY posted 08-24-2009 07:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for RM NY  Send Email to RM NY     
that is not a Montauk, that is a McKee Craft, its getting some odds and ends, going to be a nice little work boat for the owner, Getting custom railings, windshield, and alum. plate on the hull sides. Tow bar out back to bring back disabled jetskis.

I did not paint it that hideous red!

RM NY posted 08-30-2009 12:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for RM NY  Send Email to RM NY     
this boat gets 3-4 people a day coming in to see it off the street, everyone cant believe its a 14' boat!

I also have a friend who brought his 13 whaler in to be buffed up and he wants to sell it if there is any interest I will get the information on it, but it seems boat sales are rather slow right before our fall season when people start to put them away.

TheWhalerStore posted 08-30-2009 08:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for TheWhalerStore    
Sales are good and have been all year. It is perception only. Everyone screaming that the economy stopped.Sales will continue to be good throughout the winter months and I am buying as much as ever. The economy did not stop,or even slow down for responsible people who live within their means. The economy has stopped for those living on credit and outside their means. The flash in the pan types. The short sighted people.


RM NY posted 09-02-2009 12:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for RM NY  Send Email to RM NY     
so I have this couple stop in yesturday, they are walking around the boat for a little bit and I go over to them, they tell me they just bought the same boat over the weekend and were now kind of upset they did not see this one first, he said he would have GLADLY paid the extra money to get a boat in the condition of this one along with the brand new motor.

He said he paid $8k, boat did not have the fishing package, and had a motor from 1999, bottom paint, no bimini,and the boat was very rough compared to the condition of this one. He could not believe how clean even the bilge is on this boat.

So coming from people who JUST bought another one they were actually upset they did not see this one first- that is how nice and clean this boat is.

TheWhalerStore posted 09-02-2009 10:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for TheWhalerStore    
Have you thought of placing an ad on Boattrader,or IBoats?

Much larger audience than just here,or from drive by people.

RM NY posted 09-03-2009 08:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for RM NY  Send Email to RM NY     
been a little busy to bother, maybe next week.
Whaler_bob posted 09-03-2009 09:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for Whaler_bob  Send Email to Whaler_bob     
Why not try a quick posting on Craigslist LI.
I've had quite a few hits on my Montauk listing there. It's free and you get an anonymous email address for the reply's. Of course you will get your share of lowballers, no-shows and tire kickers with a million dumb questions- which will happen no matter how/where you advertise- but you may just find the right local person too.
If you've got your pictures online already, and your text ready too (just use the text you originally posted here) you should be up and running on CL in under 20 min.
.... good luck!
RM NY posted 09-03-2009 09:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for RM NY  Send Email to RM NY     
might give it a shot, just did not want to be bothered over the weekend, but maybe people will have the boating bug.

RM NY posted 09-09-2009 04:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for RM NY  Send Email to RM NY     
reduced to $11200, he would rather take less then bother storing it for the winter and putting it up for sale in the spring again

Alphonse posted 09-09-2009 07:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Alphonse  Send Email to Alphonse     
Too bad there are no photos to see this baby! With all the rukus it has raised, I am curious to see it.
RM NY posted 09-09-2009 08:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for RM NY  Send Email to RM NY     
I have 20 good photos I can email to whoever is interested in the boat
RM NY posted 09-12-2009 05:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for RM NY  Send Email to RM NY     
well the 2002 13' sold today, lots of foot action lately for boats and im not a boat dealer but people always stop in to ask if anything is for sale.

Its good to see people out looking for boats again, over the summer they were nowhere to be found.

Lets hope the boat builders get some relief next year.

the 14 is still availible.

dnh posted 09-13-2009 08:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for dnh  Send Email to dnh     
If you sell that boat for anywhere close to $12k I am absolutely amazed. I'm not a boat dealer.

I have a 15 Sport in great condition with a Yamaha F60 with 100 hours on it and 4 years on the warranty.

The boat was worth probably $6k before I spent over $6k on a new engine but at no point did I think it was worth $12k.

In fact, take a look on ebay. $12k will get you a 1996 17 Outrage or 1996 19/20 Outrage, etc.

My friend just bought a 1996 21 Outrage for 11k with a trailer and then picked up a Yamaha F225 for 10k. 21k into the boat.

Good luck buts thats a crazy asking price.

RM NY posted 09-14-2009 12:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for RM NY  Send Email to RM NY     
thank you for you kind words dnh, if we want to compare what you can buy for $11200 then lets just say you can buy a 1970's 30' boat as well.

If you want this boat, in this shape, it will cost you a little more. I guess you also missed the part where I mentioned the couple that stopped in who bought the same boat for $8k, with alot of bottom paint, faded, saltwater kept, original power, broken fittings, crappy trailer.

So by the time you get a $8000 boat in the condition of this boat you will spend FAR more then the $11200.

If you just want something to fish and beat on this is not the boat for you, if you value a quality well kept boat and can appreciate the condition of it then its a no brainer. You get what you pay for.

dnh posted 09-14-2009 02:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for dnh  Send Email to dnh     
I do not know you and hope you get the money. Its not a classic boat.

But you don't seem to have any takers so far and it seems naive to think you will get that. List it on ebay with no reserve and you can always end the auction a day before if its not close. Probably best way to get paid if its not going here.

I am sure a link to photos would be wonderful as well.

If you do sell it let me know cause we have a 1999 18 Dauntless with a very nice trailer and I'd be surprised to get $12,500.00 for it.

dscew posted 09-14-2009 03:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for dscew    
It's been stated several times on this forum that members should keep their opinions of value to themselves and let the market determine whether or not an item is worth what a seller is asking for it. There are folks that might be willing to pay $11K for a next to new boat even if it is not a classic. Maybe you should post your hourly rate here and we can determine if it's crazy for you to be charging it. I'm willing to bet it is.
RM NY posted 09-14-2009 04:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for RM NY  Send Email to RM NY     
you know how many boats I come across a week, or in a year?
People tell me what they paid for them and THEY think they are in good shape, to me they are barely floating.

So when I say this boat is CLEAN CLEAN CLEAN, I mean it.

Again if you dont care about buying a next to new boat then keep your comments to yourself, I dont really care what shape your boat is in because its has no bearing on this boat.

Another person already posted they sold one of these boats WITH NO MOTOR for $7800, so my price of $11200 is well in line. You dont want it, keep your comments to yourself.

I mean really do you have nothing else to do buy crap on my for sale thread?

RM NY posted 09-14-2009 04:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for RM NY  Send Email to RM NY     
and to anyone who might have a interest in this boat all you have to do is EMAIL me for pictures
RM NY posted 09-14-2009 07:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for RM NY  Send Email to RM NY     
by the way I am also going to say that the fishing package included the factory plumbed live well under the seat.

A very loaded up 14' boat thats for sure.

RM NY posted 09-17-2009 11:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for RM NY  Send Email to RM NY     
splitting the package up

hull/trailer $7500

Motor $5000

RM NY posted 09-17-2009 11:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for RM NY  Send Email to RM NY     
btw I am splitting the package because I have a local buyer who wants the hull only, he is a diehard evinrude guy.
if he does not come through I have already accepted that the new engine has made the boat pricey so it might be easier to sell seperate.
skred posted 09-17-2009 11:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for skred  Send Email to skred     
I think your splitting up the sale is a good idea. It will widen your market. As to the "contributions" from some others who simply want to comment on your motives, etc. - CW has always tried to hold to high standards on this site, and I find it sad that a small few ("small" may be a double entendre) just don't get it. We don't want their "expert" price analysis. If you aren't a potential buyer - shut up!
RM NY posted 09-17-2009 12:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for RM NY  Send Email to RM NY     
its a quality thing, if you want a exceptionally clean boat you have to be willing to pay a little extra for it.

If your the type who does not own a hose and does not even know how to spell wax then you are not the new owner of a boat like this.

RM NY posted 09-18-2009 07:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for RM NY  Send Email to RM NY     
Boat was sold today as a package, thanks for everything.

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