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Jubes posted 12-28-2010 01:15 PM ET (US)
Listed on "Craigslist Nanaimo" in BC.
Classic Outrage rigged for salmon fishing/trolling on Vancouver island. Includes Yamaha F150 and T8 kicker. Dual batteries with switch plus independent battery charged from kicker for the downrigger power. Leaning post with Whaler upholstery matching the Igloo cushion from Halls. Front canvas covers the helm at moorage. Teak is well oiled with Seafin and has a factory bow sprint and SS railing. Boat is 1987 and engines are both four strokes from 2005/6. Pics on the Craigslist website.
Galvanized trailer with new rubber, new disc brakes and lights.
Jubes posted 01-01-2011 02:47 PM ET (US)
After one week on Craigslist, I am surprised at the number of responders who want me to "part out" the boat. "Would you consider selling the boat and trailer for $10,000?" asked one responder. "Would you sell me the kicker only?" asks another.
Since the F150 and T8 engines cost me nearly $18K brand new in 2006, I like the idea of keeping at least the big engine for refitting on a larger Outrage or even a Walkaround.
As Whaler experts, does this forum recommend the idea of selling a Whaler unpackaged?
P.S. - the original add asked $20,000 for the package which included an 18 Outrage, Yamaha F150, Yamaha T8 and Lowrance GPS/Sonar with chip all on a nearly new galvanized trailer with disc brakes on a single axle.
elaelap posted 01-01-2011 04:01 PM ET (US)
Jubes,
I sold a similar OR 18 (1988) back in 2006 for $15K(US) within a day or two of posting the ad here at this website. I immediately received at least five or six very serious inquiries -- one guy even said he would fly his private plane down from Canada to check out the boat. "Cetaceous" had a Yamaha F115 with something like 700 hours, no kicker, no canvas, no decent electronics except for good gauges and a good VHF and antenna (I scavanged the kicker, the decent Standard Horizon chartplotter and the third-rate sounder for my next Whaler prior to sale). The boat itself was in perhaps an "8+" condition prior to sale. Good twin-axle brakeless galvanized trailer. BTW, the boat was beautiful -- as is yours -- and I've had some regrets about selling her ever since.
All this to say: Your boat looks great and your price is reasonable, especially if one compares it with the price of a comparable new Boston Whaler (something like a Montauk 170 or its even larger cousin, the MT 190). It's the economy, my friend. You've got your boat priced toward the high end but fairly reasonably IMO, but, since you asked...good luck ;-)
Tony
P.S. Much as I love my current Montauk, I'd be sorely tempted to make a reasonable offer if she were down in the S.F. Bay area.
Jeff posted 01-01-2011 04:54 PM ET (US)
Here is a thread by Buckda who had a 18 Outrage with nearly new twin E-Tecs on it. He came to the conclusion that the boat was worth more in parts than it was as a whole do to the new Power on the stern.
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/019600.html
In the end he sold the Motors, rigging, equipment, bare hull, console, other hardware (lights, arch, etc) off as individual pieces and was able to get close to the value he was asking.
Honestly, in today's market there are VERY few willing to pay $20,000 even for a very recently repowered 18 Outrage. Finding those few people is difficult....almost impossible challenge. Trust me it can be done but, it really comes down to luck and some times many months if not a year or more of waiting.
lizard posted 01-04-2011 10:33 AM ET (US)
A LOT of effort and time goes into parting out anything. You have multiple items, myriad inquiries, many of whom end up being tire kickers.
I am going to guess that Dave (Buckda) would concur with this. For me, time is money.
I looked at your ad and it appears to be a fine boat, I think the number of hours on the motor probably plays into its value to a new owner. The motor on the 18 I bought had 53 hours on it.
You lose about half of the value of your re-power in a sale, unless it is very early on into the re-power. When you re-power an older Whaler, the value is to you, and rarely the next guy.
Mine had canvas from bow to center console, a Penn downrigger, Garmin 498 chartplotter/GPS, newer ICOM VHF, a new, large Ritchie compass, two coolers, both the swivel captains chairs and an original RPS came along with it, it had an etc. Dual batteries with Perko switch, original console and rails.
It did NOT have Halls cushions and the teak was a 5-6/10. No bowsprit and the trailer was a 3/10. It had an ugly bait tank/leaning post.
I paid $9100 about 15 mos. ago. I am looking for a trailer comparable to what yours is, and I am getting quotes in the $3K range. So, that would put my total @ $12,100. I gutted every piece of wiring, put in new bilge pumps, the top Shakespeare antennae, new batteries etc. for another $2K, bringing it up to $14,100.
I hope that this comparison is helpful to you. Good luck with your sale.
Buckda posted 01-20-2011 03:20 PM ET (US)
Yes, as I stated in the thread linked above, parting out the boat was very time consuming, and with today's shipping rates, you might get creamed. I was fortunate in that many of the very bulky items, including the motors, hull, radar arch, etc.) were either buyer pick-up or negotiated delivery.
....and then there is the time to make said delivery, time off work to meet with buyers who want to pick parts up, etc. ...
...and time and materials to pack and ship items.
I still think that there is a business model in there somewhere for someone who has a big pole barn and lots of land to store the hulls, trailers, etc....and the right zoning board...combined with an understanding spouse.
:)
Good luck with the sale of this boat - it sounds like a cherry.
Dave

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Author	Topic: 18 Outrage with F150 / T8 power
Jubes	posted 12-28-2010 01:15 PM ET (US) Listed on "Craigslist Nanaimo" in BC. Classic Outrage rigged for salmon fishing/trolling on Vancouver island. Includes Yamaha F150 and T8 kicker. Dual batteries with switch plus independent battery charged from kicker for the downrigger power. Leaning post with Whaler upholstery matching the Igloo cushion from Halls. Front canvas covers the helm at moorage. Teak is well oiled with Seafin and has a factory bow sprint and SS railing. Boat is 1987 and engines are both four strokes from 2005/6. Pics on the Craigslist website. Galvanized trailer with new rubber, new disc brakes and lights.
Jubes	posted 01-01-2011 02:47 PM ET (US) After one week on Craigslist, I am surprised at the number of responders who want me to "part out" the boat. "Would you consider selling the boat and trailer for $10,000?" asked one responder. "Would you sell me the kicker only?" asks another. Since the F150 and T8 engines cost me nearly $18K brand new in 2006, I like the idea of keeping at least the big engine for refitting on a larger Outrage or even a Walkaround. As Whaler experts, does this forum recommend the idea of selling a Whaler unpackaged? P.S. - the original add asked $20,000 for the package which included an 18 Outrage, Yamaha F150, Yamaha T8 and Lowrance GPS/Sonar with chip all on a nearly new galvanized trailer with disc brakes on a single axle.
elaelap	posted 01-01-2011 04:01 PM ET (US) Jubes, I sold a similar OR 18 (1988) back in 2006 for $15K(US) within a day or two of posting the ad here at this website. I immediately received at least five or six very serious inquiries -- one guy even said he would fly his private plane down from Canada to check out the boat. "Cetaceous" had a Yamaha F115 with something like 700 hours, no kicker, no canvas, no decent electronics except for good gauges and a good VHF and antenna (I scavanged the kicker, the decent Standard Horizon chartplotter and the third-rate sounder for my next Whaler prior to sale). The boat itself was in perhaps an "8+" condition prior to sale. Good twin-axle brakeless galvanized trailer. BTW, the boat was beautiful -- as is yours -- and I've had some regrets about selling her ever since. All this to say: Your boat looks great and your price is reasonable, especially if one compares it with the price of a comparable new Boston Whaler (something like a Montauk 170 or its even larger cousin, the MT 190). It's the economy, my friend. You've got your boat priced toward the high end but fairly reasonably IMO, but, since you asked...good luck ;-) Tony P.S. Much as I love my current Montauk, I'd be sorely tempted to make a reasonable offer if she were down in the S.F. Bay area.
Jeff	posted 01-01-2011 04:54 PM ET (US) Here is a thread by Buckda who had a 18 Outrage with nearly new twin E-Tecs on it. He came to the conclusion that the boat was worth more in parts than it was as a whole do to the new Power on the stern. http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/019600.html In the end he sold the Motors, rigging, equipment, bare hull, console, other hardware (lights, arch, etc) off as individual pieces and was able to get close to the value he was asking. Honestly, in today's market there are VERY few willing to pay $20,000 even for a very recently repowered 18 Outrage. Finding those few people is difficult....almost impossible challenge. Trust me it can be done but, it really comes down to luck and some times many months if not a year or more of waiting.
lizard	posted 01-04-2011 10:33 AM ET (US) A LOT of effort and time goes into parting out anything. You have multiple items, myriad inquiries, many of whom end up being tire kickers. I am going to guess that Dave (Buckda) would concur with this. For me, time is money. I looked at your ad and it appears to be a fine boat, I think the number of hours on the motor probably plays into its value to a new owner. The motor on the 18 I bought had 53 hours on it. You lose about half of the value of your re-power in a sale, unless it is very early on into the re-power. When you re-power an older Whaler, the value is to you, and rarely the next guy. Mine had canvas from bow to center console, a Penn downrigger, Garmin 498 chartplotter/GPS, newer ICOM VHF, a new, large Ritchie compass, two coolers, both the swivel captains chairs and an original RPS came along with it, it had an etc. Dual batteries with Perko switch, original console and rails. It did NOT have Halls cushions and the teak was a 5-6/10. No bowsprit and the trailer was a 3/10. It had an ugly bait tank/leaning post. I paid $9100 about 15 mos. ago. I am looking for a trailer comparable to what yours is, and I am getting quotes in the $3K range. So, that would put my total @ $12,100. I gutted every piece of wiring, put in new bilge pumps, the top Shakespeare antennae, new batteries etc. for another $2K, bringing it up to $14,100. I hope that this comparison is helpful to you. Good luck with your sale.
Buckda	posted 01-20-2011 03:20 PM ET (US) Yes, as I stated in the thread linked above, parting out the boat was very time consuming, and with today's shipping rates, you might get creamed. I was fortunate in that many of the very bulky items, including the motors, hull, radar arch, etc.) were either buyer pick-up or negotiated delivery. ....and then there is the time to make said delivery, time off work to meet with buyers who want to pick parts up, etc. ... ...and time and materials to pack and ship items. I still think that there is a business model in there somewhere for someone who has a big pole barn and lots of land to store the hulls, trailers, etc....and the right zoning board...combined with an understanding spouse. :) Good luck with the sale of this boat - it sounds like a cherry. Dave