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Ridge Runner posted 11-13-2011 09:55 AM ET (US)
Testing the market for my 2005 Re-powered Montauk 170 - what do you think the ask price sould be?
2005 Boston Whaler Montauk 170
Bow Rail and Swim Step
Hydraulic Steering
2010 Evinrude E-TEC 115 H.O. – Extended warranty until 2015
Evinrude iCommand Guages (2 large, 2 Small)
Evinrude E-TEC 115 H.O. Cover
Power Tech SCD-4 13x14 Prop (Skiing)
Turbo Prop 13x19
Power Tech Prop SCD-17 13x17 Prop
TurboSwing water sports tow bar
Moeller 24 gallon Fuel Cell
JL 6.5" Pair Speakers
Aquatic AQ-IP-3B
Aquatic Remote AQRF-3FB
Lowrance HDS-5 GPS/FF Coastal
Standard Matrix AIS 25W VHF
Stainless Steel Cup Holder
Stainless Water Separator Kit
Guardian Anchor
10' Stainless Steel Chain
Stainless Steel Anchor Swivel
Engel Cooler w/Cooler Cushion
Bow Cushion
Canvas Console Cover
Canvas Seat Cover
Sternmate Transom Mount for Transducer
Shakespeare 5' VH Ant
2 - Sears AGM Platinum Marine Batteries
Guest 10 5/5 Battery Charger + Outlet
KeelGuard
Interior LED Lighting (Red)
ISI Storage box in console
Karavan Trailer with New Hubs
New Kuhmo 14” Radial Tires

elaelap posted 11-13-2011 10:48 AM ET (US)
Wow, much better than new (out here they usually come powered with a Merc 90 4/s). Even in this economy, at least $20K on the west coast; no doubt more in the early spring. BTW, the 150, 170, 190, and now the 210 Montauk series are by far my favorite post-Dougherty Whalers. I've spent a considerable amount of time in a friend's MT 170...great little skiff. I almost bought one myself seven years ago; instead went with a classic Outrage 18 which I immediately repowered. Good luck with your sale.
Tony
L H G posted 11-13-2011 12:26 PM ET (US)
Any fairly recent boat and engine, that is still in production and available new, has to be priced against what a brand new 170 will cost, including shipping and sales tax, plus the values of extras that you have added that may add value (some won't unless they are parted out).
So that's where I would begain, finding the best local deal you can on a brand new 170. Any would be buyer will definitely check out "going new". I would say yours might be able to bring 75% of that cost, maximum. No bottom paint is a definite plus for most, but not all, buyers.
You are disadvantaged by the earlier, lower center console, but many buyers may not know that, or may not be too tall!
Unfortunately, the 115 one year old engine won't add much value in comparison to a new 90. 4 MPH in top speed (or whatever it is over the Merc 90) won't change the 75% factor in my opinion. Being 25% overpowered could actually hurt.
Then, once you have that 75% value, or whatever fraction you want to use, check the national used market. You will have to compete with similar condition used boats also. They may force you to adjust value down to more like 2/3 of price of a new one.
It may sound crazy, but if you really want to sell the boat, selling the engine separately may return more of your investment. Buckda had to do that recently. An un-powered 170 may have good appeal to a buyer that does not like Mercury.
Did you ever tell how how well this engine ran against the similar Mercury 115 ProXS?
Ridge Runner posted 11-13-2011 01:21 PM ET (US)
My thought was around $21K - I love this boat/motor combo ...but I just got a 2004 23’ Grady White that was stuffed in a storage shed on a piece of estate property that I purchased.
I really enjoyed both motors… and I have owned many, probably way to many motors over the years then I should have, at heart I’m a 2-Cycle guy – Larry. In general, the ETEC V-4 has noticeable better low-end, and runs a lot smoother than the Mercury in-line 3, especially at idle and low speed. I think both are an excellent fit for a 170, far better than the 4-Cycle 90hp that the factory rigs today. Both have great mid range punch and ran close to each other on the top end with the same Turbo prop – both run mid-top end with a sweet sound, I miss that on the 4-Cycle’s. Mercury has a 2.07:1 gear ratio and the ETEC 2.00:1 which might help keep them about the same on the top-end. I think they both look better on the 170 then the current 90hp.
From a dollar investment and value perspective on doing the re-powers the Mercury wins hand down…there was about a $3,000 difference in cost between of the two (all in). For my needs the E-TEC was a better fit but I wouldn’t hesitate to do it again with the ProXS.
When I sold the 170 with the ProXS is was to a Marine Police Officer from Connecticut. His department has a few new 170’s with the Mercury 4-Cycle 90hp, he could not believe the overall performance increase with the ProXS, the way the boat just jumped on plane and the seat of the pants acceleration from half to full throttle. He kept telling me this should be the combo the department buys.
L H G posted 11-13-2011 04:55 PM ET (US)
Thanks for that comparative information, Ridge. Good luck on your sale. It sounds like like have a super nice Whaler.
And you realize, of course, that about two years after you sell it, you will then wish you still had it! 21K sounds like an excellent deal. The engine has got to be worth about 8K alone, so that's only 13K for the boat and trailer.

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Author	Topic: Re-powered 2005 170 Montauk - Market Price?
Ridge Runner	posted 11-13-2011 09:55 AM ET (US) Testing the market for my 2005 Re-powered Montauk 170 - what do you think the ask price sould be? 2005 Boston Whaler Montauk 170 Bow Rail and Swim Step Hydraulic Steering 2010 Evinrude E-TEC 115 H.O. – Extended warranty until 2015 Evinrude iCommand Guages (2 large, 2 Small) Evinrude E-TEC 115 H.O. Cover Power Tech SCD-4 13x14 Prop (Skiing) Turbo Prop 13x19 Power Tech Prop SCD-17 13x17 Prop TurboSwing water sports tow bar Moeller 24 gallon Fuel Cell JL 6.5" Pair Speakers Aquatic AQ-IP-3B Aquatic Remote AQRF-3FB Lowrance HDS-5 GPS/FF Coastal Standard Matrix AIS 25W VHF Stainless Steel Cup Holder Stainless Water Separator Kit Guardian Anchor 10' Stainless Steel Chain Stainless Steel Anchor Swivel Engel Cooler w/Cooler Cushion Bow Cushion Canvas Console Cover Canvas Seat Cover Sternmate Transom Mount for Transducer Shakespeare 5' VH Ant 2 - Sears AGM Platinum Marine Batteries Guest 10 5/5 Battery Charger + Outlet KeelGuard Interior LED Lighting (Red) ISI Storage box in console Karavan Trailer with New Hubs New Kuhmo 14” Radial Tires
elaelap	posted 11-13-2011 10:48 AM ET (US) Wow, much better than new (out here they usually come powered with a Merc 90 4/s). Even in this economy, at least $20K on the west coast; no doubt more in the early spring. BTW, the 150, 170, 190, and now the 210 Montauk series are by far my favorite post-Dougherty Whalers. I've spent a considerable amount of time in a friend's MT 170...great little skiff. I almost bought one myself seven years ago; instead went with a classic Outrage 18 which I immediately repowered. Good luck with your sale. Tony
L H G	posted 11-13-2011 12:26 PM ET (US) Any fairly recent boat and engine, that is still in production and available new, has to be priced against what a brand new 170 will cost, including shipping and sales tax, plus the values of extras that you have added that may add value (some won't unless they are parted out). So that's where I would begain, finding the best local deal you can on a brand new 170. Any would be buyer will definitely check out "going new". I would say yours might be able to bring 75% of that cost, maximum. No bottom paint is a definite plus for most, but not all, buyers. You are disadvantaged by the earlier, lower center console, but many buyers may not know that, or may not be too tall! Unfortunately, the 115 one year old engine won't add much value in comparison to a new 90. 4 MPH in top speed (or whatever it is over the Merc 90) won't change the 75% factor in my opinion. Being 25% overpowered could actually hurt. Then, once you have that 75% value, or whatever fraction you want to use, check the national used market. You will have to compete with similar condition used boats also. They may force you to adjust value down to more like 2/3 of price of a new one. It may sound crazy, but if you really want to sell the boat, selling the engine separately may return more of your investment. Buckda had to do that recently. An un-powered 170 may have good appeal to a buyer that does not like Mercury. Did you ever tell how how well this engine ran against the similar Mercury 115 ProXS?
Ridge Runner	posted 11-13-2011 01:21 PM ET (US) My thought was around $21K - I love this boat/motor combo ...but I just got a 2004 23’ Grady White that was stuffed in a storage shed on a piece of estate property that I purchased. I really enjoyed both motors… and I have owned many, probably way to many motors over the years then I should have, at heart I’m a 2-Cycle guy – Larry. In general, the ETEC V-4 has noticeable better low-end, and runs a lot smoother than the Mercury in-line 3, especially at idle and low speed. I think both are an excellent fit for a 170, far better than the 4-Cycle 90hp that the factory rigs today. Both have great mid range punch and ran close to each other on the top end with the same Turbo prop – both run mid-top end with a sweet sound, I miss that on the 4-Cycle’s. Mercury has a 2.07:1 gear ratio and the ETEC 2.00:1 which might help keep them about the same on the top-end. I think they both look better on the 170 then the current 90hp. From a dollar investment and value perspective on doing the re-powers the Mercury wins hand down…there was about a $3,000 difference in cost between of the two (all in). For my needs the E-TEC was a better fit but I wouldn’t hesitate to do it again with the ProXS. When I sold the 170 with the ProXS is was to a Marine Police Officer from Connecticut. His department has a few new 170’s with the Mercury 4-Cycle 90hp, he could not believe the overall performance increase with the ProXS, the way the boat just jumped on plane and the seat of the pants acceleration from half to full throttle. He kept telling me this should be the combo the department buys.
L H G	posted 11-13-2011 04:55 PM ET (US) Thanks for that comparative information, Ridge. Good luck on your sale. It sounds like like have a super nice Whaler. And you realize, of course, that about two years after you sell it, you will then wish you still had it! 21K sounds like an excellent deal. The engine has got to be worth about 8K alone, so that's only 13K for the boat and trailer.