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mfrymier posted 04-02-2012 03:12 PM ET (US)
For Sale: 1981 Boston Whaler Outrage 18
Boat Details:
1981 Boston Whaler Outrage 18 in Classic Desert Tan, Teak Gunwales. No bottom paint.
2007 Evinrude E-TEC 150 HP Outboard, in close to new condition and under 150 hours.
4" CMC Jackplate
14.25 X 17 Turbo/Stiletto Propeller. The boat was tuned for performance by none other than Rob Schmidt (ratherwhalering)
2007 Evinrude NMEA-2000 Instruments (digital)
2007 Seastar Hydraulic Steering
2000 EZ Loader Trailer with keel rollers, support bunks and surge braking system / spare tire.
VHF Radio w/ Antenna
Garmin Color Mapping GPS
Polyplanar CD Stereo with AUX/IPod Input and VHF Radio Input
Polyplanar box speakers mounted under rear bench seat
4 Sets of OEM rod holders
Rule Bilge Pump w/ automatic float switch
Dual Battery System with onboard Charger
Compass
Cable lifting bridle for Hoist Launching
Anchor, Chain, and line (a real one that actually works)
Life Jackets and other various safety gear
Canvas / Seating:
Full Rear Bench Seat, with custom grab rails
2 Captains Chairs, with newer cushions (2007)
“Banana” cushions for bow steps (2007)
Full Boat Cover (custom), in Denim Blue. Has one small tear near one of the tie down points.
Covers for Console, Rear Bench Seat, and Captains Chairs in Pacific Blue (all 2007 from Mills Canvas)
Engine Cover (Grey)
Extras / Other:
Includes (2) Stern Light assemblies, one OEM and one Stainless Steel.
Bow Locker O ring seal replaced by forum member Tom Clark!
Description:
A Classic Outrage 18, in very good condition, re-powered and ready to go for the west coast whaler enthusiast. Boat was purchased in approximately 2004 from CW Forum member Russ, and re-powered and otherwise “fixed up” in 2007. Selling due to lack of use (see hours above). This boat has been dry-stored and does not have bottom paint. The boat has been regularly waxed / detailed, and the Teak is in overall good condition, always treated with Daly’s Sea-Fin Teak Oil.
The boat is located in Marin County, CA (just north of the Golden Gate Bridge in the San Francisco Bay Area). With prior notice, it can be inspected in person or taken for a water test.
Items to note:
This boat has the “older” style console (see photos)
This boat suffers from two well documented whaler issues; neither are serious nor effect safety or performance from my standpoint, but in the spirit of full disclosure:
a) It has a touch of the “wavy sides” appearance, and
b) It has two soft spots in the floor in the normal locations. These spots have not changed during my 7 years of ownership.
Email Matt Frymier (mfrymier@gmail.com) with any questions or to arrange a viewing. I travel a decent amount so please be patient. I will take pictures over the weekend and post them as soon as possible.
Asking $15500.
On the left: [url]http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v641/ratherwhalering/?action=view& current=Outrage.jpg[/url]
Performance report at time of repowering:
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/004957.html

mfrymier posted 04-02-2012 03:14 PM ET (US)
[url]http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v641/ratherwhalering/?action=view& current=Outrage.jpg[/url]
elaelap posted 04-02-2012 05:30 PM ET (US)
I've seen this fine boat in person, and with that almost-new E-TEC 150 this is an incredible deal for the right person. Man oh man, Matt...why not just give it away?
Tony
Teak Oil posted 04-02-2012 10:31 PM ET (US)
Yup, especially since CA prices tend to be higher than east coast prices. For that price its worth driving halfway across the country for this boat. Good luck
irishcreamer posted 04-02-2012 11:17 PM ET (US)
Seems like a great price, what's the catch?
MarkoOR18 posted 04-03-2012 02:52 AM ET (US)
I wouldn't expect a catch...its priced well for this market, and he probably wants to sell it more than talk about it. It will be a nice find for the next owpner.
mfrymier posted 04-14-2012 10:40 AM ET (US)
Thanks for some of the kind replies. There is no catch with the boat, other than the ones mentioned (wavy sides / soft spots). Also, it probably needs a good 2 hour spring cleaning job!
After a 10 year wait for a harbor slip here at the yacht club, I've finally got one which will allow me to have a sailboat in the water.
ergo, whaler needs to go. Besides, ratherwhalering says he will loan me his!
MDF
Newtauk1 posted 04-15-2012 09:50 PM ET (US)
The only "catch" is that simular boats are selling for 10k
elaelap posted 04-16-2012 01:25 PM ET (US)
Show me one of those "simular" [sic] OR 18s with a very low hour E-TEC 150 on the west coast for ten grand and I'll buy it tomorrow. Why not stick with something you know about rather than messing with this very reasonable ad, Newtauk?
Tony
lizard posted 04-16-2012 01:34 PM ET (US)
You could not touch that boat for $10K in CA, ever.
Newtauk1 posted 04-16-2012 08:54 PM ET (US)
"You could not touch that boat for $10K in CA, ever"
Nor would I with a wavy defective hull and rotted floor.
Just an opinion that differs from the other opinions offered. I think its too much money as described.
Last I checked free speech was legal, perhaps not in CA. Ofcourse what would one expect.
Newtauk1 posted 04-16-2012 09:03 PM ET (US)
Honestly Tony it,s ok for you to make an opinion about the value of this boat , but I can not? Do you have certain rights that I do not. If I posted and agreed with you would that be ok?
I just do not think a 31 year old boat with a 5 year old motor and a hull with wavy sides and a soft floor should bring a premium price. I disagree with your opinion. Thats all no big deal. I accidently started a new post when originally responding.
No mock or belittle me. Hell I hope the seller gets full asking price.
gusgus posted 04-17-2012 03:10 AM ET (US)
What a complete jerk!
This person is offering a boat for sale. If you don't want it STFU! There are people who know boats and know value, which you are unable to make ignorant comments about.
Frankly, this boat sounds like a good price and it also sounds like a man who knows the boat has vouched for it.
I can't believe there are people who would shit on anyones sale for selfish reasons like newtuck did. (sp?)
MAN!
Newtauk1 posted 04-17-2012 09:18 AM ET (US)
Easy gusgus. Don't get your panties all in bunch. Tony is a well known troller on this site. I know four letter words too, but choose not to use them.
Jefecinco posted 04-17-2012 10:15 AM ET (US)
Marketplace seems to me to be a place to make offers to sell or offers to buy and to discuss the items offered.
I won't criticize anyone for placing a price on an item which may seem unreasonable to me. That is a discussion best left to a seller and a potential buyer.
When someone says an item for sale is priced too high or criticizes the condition of an item when the condition is clearly stated by the seller is OUT OF LINE.
Simply stated it is not any business of a person standing on the sidelines. One has to ask what is that person's agenda in the discussion.
Butch
Binkster posted 04-17-2012 09:39 PM ET (US)
Just for the heck of it I checked Craigslist for Boston Whalers in Los Angeles. The prices wanted were laughable. Check out this good deal on a 13 footer, hey its floating.
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/boa/2940532879.html
rich
lizard posted 04-17-2012 09:48 PM ET (US)
Binks- We partner on a 1993 Outrage 19, newer 4-stroke Yamaha 150 hp, which is kept in CT. We have a 1987 Outrage 18, w/a 2001 Evinrude Ficht 115 hp in CA. The CA boat was a bit of a project, the CT boat, ready to roll with a good cleaning. Guess which boat cost a lot more?
Frankly, I think it is kind of rude to negatively comment on a sale in this forum. If you feel really strongly about the listing price, email the seller to make yourself feel better.
Constructive input, ie: "you might want to post photos" or "I might clean it up before listing it" are appropriate recommendations. Mocking the price, not so.
Newtauk1 posted 04-17-2012 11:24 PM ET (US)
Liz.
I was not commenting on the sellers ad but in contrast to Tonys rave review. I stand by may opinion. I too looked for 31 year old 18 foot Outrages with 5 year old domestic motors selling for $15,000. Very few were found. Add a defective hull with wavy sides that were replaced under warranty in some situations by Whaler and don't forget the floor that is soft in the "usual" spots and man you have one pristine keeper. Perhaps the West Coast buyers are not as concerned with these deal breaking flaws as the rest of the country, but alas CA sort of does its own thing. Even if I am wrong it's still my opinion. Stop taking personal swipes at the writer for expressing an opinion. It's so easy to pile on someone. And everyone would rather just get along these days then rock the boat. Maybe in your world everyone gets a trophy , but in my world its just does not happen. Oh boo hoo the poor seller got some negative insight o his crappy sloop. Get over it. I continue to almost piss my pants at the tools on this web site that get so crazy over mundane things.
Binkster posted 04-18-2012 07:23 AM ET (US)
As everyone knows the boats for sale market is soft. There are many more boats for sale than buyers. As in "natural selection" the best boats and best deals will be sold first.
Tony's post toward the beginning of this thread does seem like "piling on", almost 180 degrees from Newtauks posts. Both seem out of line. This thread has regressed to the point where it is about what is appropriate and not appropriate to say about a boat listed for sale.
Lets just wait and see how things develop with this sale.
rich
elaelap posted 04-18-2012 12:13 PM ET (US)
I recently posted the following comment about Nick/Toshgib's nice 19' banana Revenge he's selling down in Florida: "Out here on the west coast Nick's beautiful boat with that barely broken in motor would sell instantly at that price or several thousand bucks more."
Now I haven't seen Nick's boat in person, but I have seen lots of photos of the craft, and it gave me pleasure to support his sale with a reasonably knowledgeable comment about the boat and west coast prices.
I have seen Matt's boat in person, and let me tell you, it's a beauty. Matt is a Marin County neighbor and friend of CW member Rob/ratherwhalering, who assisted him in the original purchase of the boat and with its extensive overhaul and upgrade. Both Rob and Matt are meticulous in their care and maintenance of their Whalers -- much more so, I'm sad to say, than I. I was somewhat surprised to see Matt's boat listed for sale, knowing all the hard work and money he's put into it. I was also surprised at his more-than-reasonable asking price, especially considering the boat's almost new (hour-wise), expensive E-TEC 150, nice trailer, good electronics and canvas. Thus I was pleased to support the sale, especially because I would have bought the boat myself in an instant if I had been in the market for a classic Outrage 18. I repeat, Matt's asking price is more than fair in our west coast market, period.
Mr. Newtauk is certainly entitled to his opinion; I just think it was bad manners to express it the way he did and thus flame Matt's ad, especially since he hasn't seen the boat and frankly, doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. He obviously doesn't know west coast prices, and he obviously doesn't understand that Matt was bending over backwards to honestly disclose very minor flaws in his fine Outrage.
Anyway, best of luck with your sale, Matt. Sweet boat at a great asking price!
Tony
elaelap posted 04-18-2012 01:14 PM ET (US)
One more thing: I don't appreciate the illiterate CW member who emailed me the other day with a rant about this topic. He refused to give his name, but his email address is <abeshigotz@yahoo.com> The subject title of his email was "You are stupid." What wit; what a way with words. Another true genius at work. Too bad he's too cowardly to give his name.
Tony
gusgus posted 04-18-2012 02:57 PM ET (US)
A PM attack huh? That's rich!
Sure are some troglodytes slithering around here.
I still believe and now after seeing the boat pics (Matt's) think this boat is an excellent deal. I wish I wasn't neck deep in my own. His beats the quality of boat that I see locally and for much more, with much less included. I love that motor, and they hydraulic steering is very nice. I like the extra pole holders and the aft seat.
I wish Matt all the luck in the world selling this beauty.
elaelap posted 04-18-2012 05:23 PM ET (US)
One more thing: I just googled some online E-TEC sales sites, and unless I've got it very wrong, a well-priced new 150 hp goes for around (YIKES!) twelve or thirteen thousand American dollars, not counting mounting and rigging, gauges, etc. Now add the value of a good trailer and all the other goodies included with Matt's boat, subtract a modest amount because the motor, though very low hour, isn't brand new, and the potential buyer is getting a very fine deal indeed...IF he/she is truly in love with classic Boston Whaler watercraft.
If not, why not try another website?
Tony
lizard posted 04-18-2012 08:25 PM ET (US)
Tony-
I was bid $15K + with rigging and two or 3 basic gauges about 18 mos. ago for an E-TEC 150 hp saltwater edition. I am not kidding when I said I gave serious thought to Matt's boat, when considering the cost of getting a trailer for my own.
mfrymier posted 04-19-2012 01:33 PM ET (US)
All,
Well, I guess I should apologize that my "for sale" thread seems to ignited something it certainly wasn't meant to....
I'm just a guy with what I think is a nice whaler, looking to sell it. If someone thinks my price is incorrect, I welcome thoughtful feedback (or an offer for that matter).
I did spend upwards of 15k on the boat when I upgraded everything a couple years back (engine, steering, gauges, controls/ignition, stereo etc. etc.) If you depreciate that investment by 50%, and say the hull / trailer combo is worth 7-8k, that's how I came to my number. I welcome offers on the boat.
I will also say that the floor is not "rotten". There is an airgap in a specific spot on the both sides of the boat that is a well documented early outrage issue. It has not changed in any way since I bought the boat. The gas tank cover is completely solid.
As always, I'm happy to answer any questions about the boat. It is an old boat....one of the earlier 18's, and it's clearly not for everyone. If someone appreciates her, they should buy her at a price they feel comfortable with. If not, that's fine too, I will keep her.
(ps, when i opened this thread, ratherwhalering still had pics of my boat on the photobucket link that i tried to paste in....I will take some new photos this weekend)
Cheers,
Matt
mfrymier posted 04-19-2012 01:44 PM ET (US)
I also would be remiss if I didn't thank all of you for your support!
PS: I fondly remember a day last summer when Alan Cahill, Marc Kasanin, myself, and Chris Povio went out in this boat for a nice friday night "beer" cruise to watch a sailboat race. The first two of these gents perished this past weekend, along with 3 of their crewmates, when their boat was overcome by large waves during the crewed Farallons race. These people were close friends of Rather whalering and myself, and I for one am still in disbelief that they are gone.
stefan posted 04-19-2012 01:56 PM ET (US)
I own a 1982 outrage 18 with a 2006 etec 150 which has about the same hours as this one, along with known slight wavy sides and minor soft spots. Engine with rigging 3 gauges was $14k.
Matt's price is more than fair and its fully loaded I'm jelous).
I agree with tony and matt has nothing to apologize for.
lizard posted 04-19-2012 02:01 PM ET (US)
Matt- so sorry about your friends. I sent Rob an email. Very tragic.
Mike Kub posted 04-22-2012 07:51 PM ET (US)
Where are the "normal locations for soft spots"?
Spuds posted 04-26-2012 02:49 PM ET (US)
The "normal" softspots are usually found in the deck located somewhere between the gunnel and the fuel tank cover. They are considered by those who know Whalers, to be a minor condition that has an easy and cheap remedy.
A quick injection of epoxy and a weight to hold the deck flat and smooth while the epoxy dries, is all it takes.
Here in coastal Texas, that boat, at that price, would last about two minutes on the market.
Good luck on your sale.

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Author	Topic: For Sale: 1981 Boston Whaler Outrage 18
mfrymier	posted 04-02-2012 03:12 PM ET (US) For Sale: 1981 Boston Whaler Outrage 18 Boat Details: 1981 Boston Whaler Outrage 18 in Classic Desert Tan, Teak Gunwales. No bottom paint. 2007 Evinrude E-TEC 150 HP Outboard, in close to new condition and under 150 hours. 4" CMC Jackplate 14.25 X 17 Turbo/Stiletto Propeller. The boat was tuned for performance by none other than Rob Schmidt (ratherwhalering) 2007 Evinrude NMEA-2000 Instruments (digital) 2007 Seastar Hydraulic Steering 2000 EZ Loader Trailer with keel rollers, support bunks and surge braking system / spare tire. VHF Radio w/ Antenna Garmin Color Mapping GPS Polyplanar CD Stereo with AUX/IPod Input and VHF Radio Input Polyplanar box speakers mounted under rear bench seat 4 Sets of OEM rod holders Rule Bilge Pump w/ automatic float switch Dual Battery System with onboard Charger Compass Cable lifting bridle for Hoist Launching Anchor, Chain, and line (a real one that actually works) Life Jackets and other various safety gear Canvas / Seating: Full Rear Bench Seat, with custom grab rails 2 Captains Chairs, with newer cushions (2007) “Banana” cushions for bow steps (2007) Full Boat Cover (custom), in Denim Blue. Has one small tear near one of the tie down points. Covers for Console, Rear Bench Seat, and Captains Chairs in Pacific Blue (all 2007 from Mills Canvas) Engine Cover (Grey) Extras / Other: Includes (2) Stern Light assemblies, one OEM and one Stainless Steel. Bow Locker O ring seal replaced by forum member Tom Clark! Description: A Classic Outrage 18, in very good condition, re-powered and ready to go for the west coast whaler enthusiast. Boat was purchased in approximately 2004 from CW Forum member Russ, and re-powered and otherwise “fixed up” in 2007. Selling due to lack of use (see hours above). This boat has been dry-stored and does not have bottom paint. The boat has been regularly waxed / detailed, and the Teak is in overall good condition, always treated with Daly’s Sea-Fin Teak Oil. The boat is located in Marin County, CA (just north of the Golden Gate Bridge in the San Francisco Bay Area). With prior notice, it can be inspected in person or taken for a water test. Items to note: This boat has the “older” style console (see photos) This boat suffers from two well documented whaler issues; neither are serious nor effect safety or performance from my standpoint, but in the spirit of full disclosure: a) It has a touch of the “wavy sides” appearance, and b) It has two soft spots in the floor in the normal locations. These spots have not changed during my 7 years of ownership. Email Matt Frymier (mfrymier@gmail.com) with any questions or to arrange a viewing. I travel a decent amount so please be patient. I will take pictures over the weekend and post them as soon as possible. Asking $15500. On the left: [url]http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v641/ratherwhalering/?action=view& current=Outrage.jpg[/url] Performance report at time of repowering: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/004957.html
mfrymier	posted 04-02-2012 03:14 PM ET (US) [url]http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v641/ratherwhalering/?action=view& current=Outrage.jpg[/url]
elaelap	posted 04-02-2012 05:30 PM ET (US) I've seen this fine boat in person, and with that almost-new E-TEC 150 this is an incredible deal for the right person. Man oh man, Matt...why not just give it away? Tony
Teak Oil	posted 04-02-2012 10:31 PM ET (US) Yup, especially since CA prices tend to be higher than east coast prices. For that price its worth driving halfway across the country for this boat. Good luck
irishcreamer	posted 04-02-2012 11:17 PM ET (US) Seems like a great price, what's the catch?
MarkoOR18	posted 04-03-2012 02:52 AM ET (US) I wouldn't expect a catch...its priced well for this market, and he probably wants to sell it more than talk about it. It will be a nice find for the next owpner.
mfrymier	posted 04-14-2012 10:40 AM ET (US) Thanks for some of the kind replies. There is no catch with the boat, other than the ones mentioned (wavy sides / soft spots). Also, it probably needs a good 2 hour spring cleaning job! After a 10 year wait for a harbor slip here at the yacht club, I've finally got one which will allow me to have a sailboat in the water. ergo, whaler needs to go. Besides, ratherwhalering says he will loan me his! MDF
Newtauk1	posted 04-15-2012 09:50 PM ET (US) The only "catch" is that simular boats are selling for 10k
elaelap	posted 04-16-2012 01:25 PM ET (US) Show me one of those "simular" [sic] OR 18s with a very low hour E-TEC 150 on the west coast for ten grand and I'll buy it tomorrow. Why not stick with something you know about rather than messing with this very reasonable ad, Newtauk? Tony
lizard	posted 04-16-2012 01:34 PM ET (US) You could not touch that boat for $10K in CA, ever.
Newtauk1	posted 04-16-2012 08:54 PM ET (US) "You could not touch that boat for $10K in CA, ever" Nor would I with a wavy defective hull and rotted floor. Just an opinion that differs from the other opinions offered. I think its too much money as described. Last I checked free speech was legal, perhaps not in CA. Ofcourse what would one expect.
Newtauk1	posted 04-16-2012 09:03 PM ET (US) Honestly Tony it,s ok for you to make an opinion about the value of this boat , but I can not? Do you have certain rights that I do not. If I posted and agreed with you would that be ok? I just do not think a 31 year old boat with a 5 year old motor and a hull with wavy sides and a soft floor should bring a premium price. I disagree with your opinion. Thats all no big deal. I accidently started a new post when originally responding. No mock or belittle me. Hell I hope the seller gets full asking price.
gusgus	posted 04-17-2012 03:10 AM ET (US) What a complete jerk! This person is offering a boat for sale. If you don't want it STFU! There are people who know boats and know value, which you are unable to make ignorant comments about. Frankly, this boat sounds like a good price and it also sounds like a man who knows the boat has vouched for it. I can't believe there are people who would shit on anyones sale for selfish reasons like newtuck did. (sp?) MAN!
Newtauk1	posted 04-17-2012 09:18 AM ET (US) Easy gusgus. Don't get your panties all in bunch. Tony is a well known troller on this site. I know four letter words too, but choose not to use them.
Jefecinco	posted 04-17-2012 10:15 AM ET (US) Marketplace seems to me to be a place to make offers to sell or offers to buy and to discuss the items offered. I won't criticize anyone for placing a price on an item which may seem unreasonable to me. That is a discussion best left to a seller and a potential buyer. When someone says an item for sale is priced too high or criticizes the condition of an item when the condition is clearly stated by the seller is OUT OF LINE. Simply stated it is not any business of a person standing on the sidelines. One has to ask what is that person's agenda in the discussion. Butch
Binkster	posted 04-17-2012 09:39 PM ET (US) Just for the heck of it I checked Craigslist for Boston Whalers in Los Angeles. The prices wanted were laughable. Check out this good deal on a 13 footer, hey its floating. http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/boa/2940532879.html rich
lizard	posted 04-17-2012 09:48 PM ET (US) Binks- We partner on a 1993 Outrage 19, newer 4-stroke Yamaha 150 hp, which is kept in CT. We have a 1987 Outrage 18, w/a 2001 Evinrude Ficht 115 hp in CA. The CA boat was a bit of a project, the CT boat, ready to roll with a good cleaning. Guess which boat cost a lot more? Frankly, I think it is kind of rude to negatively comment on a sale in this forum. If you feel really strongly about the listing price, email the seller to make yourself feel better. Constructive input, ie: "you might want to post photos" or "I might clean it up before listing it" are appropriate recommendations. Mocking the price, not so.
Newtauk1	posted 04-17-2012 11:24 PM ET (US) Liz. I was not commenting on the sellers ad but in contrast to Tonys rave review. I stand by may opinion. I too looked for 31 year old 18 foot Outrages with 5 year old domestic motors selling for $15,000. Very few were found. Add a defective hull with wavy sides that were replaced under warranty in some situations by Whaler and don't forget the floor that is soft in the "usual" spots and man you have one pristine keeper. Perhaps the West Coast buyers are not as concerned with these deal breaking flaws as the rest of the country, but alas CA sort of does its own thing. Even if I am wrong it's still my opinion. Stop taking personal swipes at the writer for expressing an opinion. It's so easy to pile on someone. And everyone would rather just get along these days then rock the boat. Maybe in your world everyone gets a trophy , but in my world its just does not happen. Oh boo hoo the poor seller got some negative insight o his crappy sloop. Get over it. I continue to almost piss my pants at the tools on this web site that get so crazy over mundane things.
Binkster	posted 04-18-2012 07:23 AM ET (US) As everyone knows the boats for sale market is soft. There are many more boats for sale than buyers. As in "natural selection" the best boats and best deals will be sold first. Tony's post toward the beginning of this thread does seem like "piling on", almost 180 degrees from Newtauks posts. Both seem out of line. This thread has regressed to the point where it is about what is appropriate and not appropriate to say about a boat listed for sale. Lets just wait and see how things develop with this sale. rich
elaelap	posted 04-18-2012 12:13 PM ET (US) I recently posted the following comment about Nick/Toshgib's nice 19' banana Revenge he's selling down in Florida: "Out here on the west coast Nick's beautiful boat with that barely broken in motor would sell instantly at that price or several thousand bucks more." Now I haven't seen Nick's boat in person, but I have seen lots of photos of the craft, and it gave me pleasure to support his sale with a reasonably knowledgeable comment about the boat and west coast prices. I have seen Matt's boat in person, and let me tell you, it's a beauty. Matt is a Marin County neighbor and friend of CW member Rob/ratherwhalering, who assisted him in the original purchase of the boat and with its extensive overhaul and upgrade. Both Rob and Matt are meticulous in their care and maintenance of their Whalers -- much more so, I'm sad to say, than I. I was somewhat surprised to see Matt's boat listed for sale, knowing all the hard work and money he's put into it. I was also surprised at his more-than-reasonable asking price, especially considering the boat's almost new (hour-wise), expensive E-TEC 150, nice trailer, good electronics and canvas. Thus I was pleased to support the sale, especially because I would have bought the boat myself in an instant if I had been in the market for a classic Outrage 18. I repeat, Matt's asking price is more than fair in our west coast market, period. Mr. Newtauk is certainly entitled to his opinion; I just think it was bad manners to express it the way he did and thus flame Matt's ad, especially since he hasn't seen the boat and frankly, doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. He obviously doesn't know west coast prices, and he obviously doesn't understand that Matt was bending over backwards to honestly disclose very minor flaws in his fine Outrage. Anyway, best of luck with your sale, Matt. Sweet boat at a great asking price! Tony
elaelap	posted 04-18-2012 01:14 PM ET (US) One more thing: I don't appreciate the illiterate CW member who emailed me the other day with a rant about this topic. He refused to give his name, but his email address is <abeshigotz@yahoo.com> The subject title of his email was "You are stupid." What wit; what a way with words. Another true genius at work. Too bad he's too cowardly to give his name. Tony
gusgus	posted 04-18-2012 02:57 PM ET (US) A PM attack huh? That's rich! Sure are some troglodytes slithering around here. I still believe and now after seeing the boat pics (Matt's) think this boat is an excellent deal. I wish I wasn't neck deep in my own. His beats the quality of boat that I see locally and for much more, with much less included. I love that motor, and they hydraulic steering is very nice. I like the extra pole holders and the aft seat. I wish Matt all the luck in the world selling this beauty.
elaelap	posted 04-18-2012 05:23 PM ET (US) One more thing: I just googled some online E-TEC sales sites, and unless I've got it very wrong, a well-priced new 150 hp goes for around (YIKES!) twelve or thirteen thousand American dollars, not counting mounting and rigging, gauges, etc. Now add the value of a good trailer and all the other goodies included with Matt's boat, subtract a modest amount because the motor, though very low hour, isn't brand new, and the potential buyer is getting a very fine deal indeed...IF he/she is truly in love with classic Boston Whaler watercraft. If not, why not try another website? Tony
lizard	posted 04-18-2012 08:25 PM ET (US) Tony- I was bid $15K + with rigging and two or 3 basic gauges about 18 mos. ago for an E-TEC 150 hp saltwater edition. I am not kidding when I said I gave serious thought to Matt's boat, when considering the cost of getting a trailer for my own.
mfrymier	posted 04-19-2012 01:33 PM ET (US) All, Well, I guess I should apologize that my "for sale" thread seems to ignited something it certainly wasn't meant to.... I'm just a guy with what I think is a nice whaler, looking to sell it. If someone thinks my price is incorrect, I welcome thoughtful feedback (or an offer for that matter). I did spend upwards of 15k on the boat when I upgraded everything a couple years back (engine, steering, gauges, controls/ignition, stereo etc. etc.) If you depreciate that investment by 50%, and say the hull / trailer combo is worth 7-8k, that's how I came to my number. I welcome offers on the boat. I will also say that the floor is not "rotten". There is an airgap in a specific spot on the both sides of the boat that is a well documented early outrage issue. It has not changed in any way since I bought the boat. The gas tank cover is completely solid. As always, I'm happy to answer any questions about the boat. It is an old boat....one of the earlier 18's, and it's clearly not for everyone. If someone appreciates her, they should buy her at a price they feel comfortable with. If not, that's fine too, I will keep her. (ps, when i opened this thread, ratherwhalering still had pics of my boat on the photobucket link that i tried to paste in....I will take some new photos this weekend) Cheers, Matt
mfrymier	posted 04-19-2012 01:44 PM ET (US) I also would be remiss if I didn't thank all of you for your support! PS: I fondly remember a day last summer when Alan Cahill, Marc Kasanin, myself, and Chris Povio went out in this boat for a nice friday night "beer" cruise to watch a sailboat race. The first two of these gents perished this past weekend, along with 3 of their crewmates, when their boat was overcome by large waves during the crewed Farallons race. These people were close friends of Rather whalering and myself, and I for one am still in disbelief that they are gone.
stefan	posted 04-19-2012 01:56 PM ET (US) I own a 1982 outrage 18 with a 2006 etec 150 which has about the same hours as this one, along with known slight wavy sides and minor soft spots. Engine with rigging 3 gauges was $14k. Matt's price is more than fair and its fully loaded I'm jelous). I agree with tony and matt has nothing to apologize for.
lizard	posted 04-19-2012 02:01 PM ET (US) Matt- so sorry about your friends. I sent Rob an email. Very tragic.
Mike Kub	posted 04-22-2012 07:51 PM ET (US) Where are the "normal locations for soft spots"?
Spuds	posted 04-26-2012 02:49 PM ET (US) The "normal" softspots are usually found in the deck located somewhere between the gunnel and the fuel tank cover. They are considered by those who know Whalers, to be a minor condition that has an easy and cheap remedy. A quick injection of epoxy and a weight to hold the deck flat and smooth while the epoxy dries, is all it takes. Here in coastal Texas, that boat, at that price, would last about two minutes on the market. Good luck on your sale.