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DMW posted 04-10-2000 04:02 PM ET (US)
I have a '60 13. The boat has been SEVERELY neglected. The previous owner installed (what looks like) PVC tubing ober the rub rail then glassed it. He also sanded off all of the gel coat and Attempted to reglass the entire boat. Needless to say it looks awful. I bought the boat for about $100 and have been running it for two years. I absolutely love the boat. I am more of a fishermen than a boater so the appearance never bothered me. Now, However, I want to redo it or have it redone. My question to all of you guru's are - Is it possible to regelcoat an entire boat???? How complex is it, How will it look (shiny, like new, etc), How expensive?? Is my boat always gonna look like it's 40 years old???
dfmcintyre posted 04-10-2000 07:39 PM ET (US)
DMW -
Couple of questions:
What condition is the insides i.e. did the previous owner also sand down the inside and attempt the glass it or is the cobble job just on the outer hull?.
Whats your experience level with glass repair and painting?.
Where are you located, west, midwest or east coast?.
Got air powered or access to airpowered tools, mainly sanders?
Hows the wood?
Any evidence of dry rot in the transom?
Re-gelcoat is possible, a lot of sanding is required. Most importantly, is a smooth, really smooth surface. Then and only then do you made the decision to either regel or paint, with a 2 part polyurthane or have it done. With the paint, once it's on, with multiple coats, you don't have to sand it. With the gel, you will have to sand. The gel is thicker then paint. If you were to keep it in the water all season, I'd lean toward the gel, if keeping it on a trailer, I'd lean toward the paint. You also need to think about _how_ you plan on using it, once redone... i.e. gonna run it up on to a sandy beach or keep it off the beaches. A sand beach will play hell with paint quicker then gel. Paint will give a shiner (my opinion) coat with less, no, make that MUCH less work.
bigz posted 04-11-2000 04:05 PM ET (US)
DMW,
You might explore non-metallic media blasting the entire boat then sanding smooth.
As Don mentioned gel-coat is one big job for an entire hull! There are other post on gel-coating on the forum --- and they mention products which can be used to thin it out for spraying and eliminate fish eye but the sanding is still there big time.
If you use either Interlux or Awlgrip two part polyurethane they both recommend using an epoxy primer this will fill all minor voids in addition and eliminate most problems.
They both make high build epoxy primer fast dry where you can lay on as much as 15 mils or more giving you a good hard base before painting and eliminates possible problems with the finish coats --- it isn't cheap and if you don't have an absolutely dust free environment would suggest you let a pro tackle the job would be my suggestion.
I had a recent quote on Awlgrip job at $75-100 per foot for the hull, depending on what else they had to do, guess the insides would be about the same! They wouldn't touch gel-coating for an entire hull! This was from a pro shop in NJ.
Regards, Thomas
DMW posted 04-11-2000 04:08 PM ET (US)
the inside was not touched. I did however, repair several holes on the bottom. the foam was wet where the holes were but i let it dry before glassing over them. The transom is in very good shape (original notched 15"). last year I built a new console and installed mahogany benches (looks pretty good). I also, patched some holes on the side and painted the entire boat with single part epoxy (doesn't look too good). To answer your questions - I live in new jersey, I use it mostly in the bay and don't beach it often. I trail the boat and never leave it in the water. Thanks for your response any thing else will help greatly.
bigz posted 04-13-2000 09:22 AM ET (US)
DMW,
You might want to get a quote from a professional operation in NJ.
One that came highly recommended to me by a Marine Surveyor is The Yacht Painter in Pt. Pleasant his name is I believe Art Culver at 732-899-7574 --- can't hurt
Thomas

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Author	Topic: PVC rub rail and Gel coat is gone
DMW	posted 04-10-2000 04:02 PM ET (US) I have a '60 13. The boat has been SEVERELY neglected. The previous owner installed (what looks like) PVC tubing ober the rub rail then glassed it. He also sanded off all of the gel coat and Attempted to reglass the entire boat. Needless to say it looks awful. I bought the boat for about $100 and have been running it for two years. I absolutely love the boat. I am more of a fishermen than a boater so the appearance never bothered me. Now, However, I want to redo it or have it redone. My question to all of you guru's are - Is it possible to regelcoat an entire boat???? How complex is it, How will it look (shiny, like new, etc), How expensive?? Is my boat always gonna look like it's 40 years old???
dfmcintyre	posted 04-10-2000 07:39 PM ET (US) DMW - Couple of questions: What condition is the insides i.e. did the previous owner also sand down the inside and attempt the glass it or is the cobble job just on the outer hull?. Whats your experience level with glass repair and painting?. Where are you located, west, midwest or east coast?. Got air powered or access to airpowered tools, mainly sanders? Hows the wood? Any evidence of dry rot in the transom? Re-gelcoat is possible, a lot of sanding is required. Most importantly, is a smooth, really smooth surface. Then and only then do you made the decision to either regel or paint, with a 2 part polyurthane or have it done. With the paint, once it's on, with multiple coats, you don't have to sand it. With the gel, you will have to sand. The gel is thicker then paint. If you were to keep it in the water all season, I'd lean toward the gel, if keeping it on a trailer, I'd lean toward the paint. You also need to think about _how_ you plan on using it, once redone... i.e. gonna run it up on to a sandy beach or keep it off the beaches. A sand beach will play hell with paint quicker then gel. Paint will give a shiner (my opinion) coat with less, no, make that MUCH less work.
bigz	posted 04-11-2000 04:05 PM ET (US) DMW, You might explore non-metallic media blasting the entire boat then sanding smooth. As Don mentioned gel-coat is one big job for an entire hull! There are other post on gel-coating on the forum --- and they mention products which can be used to thin it out for spraying and eliminate fish eye but the sanding is still there big time. If you use either Interlux or Awlgrip two part polyurethane they both recommend using an epoxy primer this will fill all minor voids in addition and eliminate most problems. They both make high build epoxy primer fast dry where you can lay on as much as 15 mils or more giving you a good hard base before painting and eliminates possible problems with the finish coats --- it isn't cheap and if you don't have an absolutely dust free environment would suggest you let a pro tackle the job would be my suggestion. I had a recent quote on Awlgrip job at $75-100 per foot for the hull, depending on what else they had to do, guess the insides would be about the same! They wouldn't touch gel-coating for an entire hull! This was from a pro shop in NJ. Regards, Thomas
DMW	posted 04-11-2000 04:08 PM ET (US) the inside was not touched. I did however, repair several holes on the bottom. the foam was wet where the holes were but i let it dry before glassing over them. The transom is in very good shape (original notched 15"). last year I built a new console and installed mahogany benches (looks pretty good). I also, patched some holes on the side and painted the entire boat with single part epoxy (doesn't look too good). To answer your questions - I live in new jersey, I use it mostly in the bay and don't beach it often. I trail the boat and never leave it in the water. Thanks for your response any thing else will help greatly.
bigz	posted 04-13-2000 09:22 AM ET (US) DMW, You might want to get a quote from a professional operation in NJ. One that came highly recommended to me by a Marine Surveyor is The Yacht Painter in Pt. Pleasant his name is I believe Art Culver at 732-899-7574 --- can't hurt Thomas