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konoco posted 04-10-2000 09:45 PM ET (US)
Looking for rub rail 1972 13 ss. The rail itself is black ,But the white plastic around it is bad in a few spots. Does the white plastic come with it,also how does it come off?
kent posted 04-10-2000 10:45 PM ET (US)
Hi there, konoco
Still working on your boat, eh! I am going through the rub rail thing with my boat as well. My boat is also a pre-73 13 SS. The old rail was pretty much toast, so I am replacing it. It was also a white plastic moulded piece with a black rubber inset strip. Apparently, this is not the correct rail for our vintage boats. My information is that the original rub rail was a flimsy all white one piece plastic thing that was glued on. One of the other fellows thought that the rail on my boat was probably an updated replacement. Yours probably is too. I have removed the rub rail on my boat. This is how it went:
1. The black insert extended just slightly around the back corners of the boat and was secured to the transom by a screw and washer at each end. The screws were removed. One of the screws on my boat was a wood type screw and the other was a machine screw which was threaded into a threaded fitting that is inside of the hull.
2. This then allowed removal of the black inset strip. Just pulled it out.
3. Once the black strip was removed it exposed a row of screws. The white molding was screwed to the hull every 3-4 in.
There was absolutely no sign that there had ever been any other rub rail screwed or glued on ( no traces of adhesive).
I am not concerned with restoring the boat to it's original condition, and I am not fond of the original BW rail. It looks really flimsy and the idea of a glue-on does not appeal to me either. Someone else on this board bought the glue-on for his boat and decided not to use it. I also liked the contrast that the black rail that was on the boat gave as opposed to the all white. So I am in the midst of looking for one like the one I took off. Our friends at Twin Cities Marine (the same ones that helped with the lettering) have been trying hard to accomadate me. They have the two piece system, but the main moulding is off- white. They also have an all black style. Both styles are screw on with the insert to cover the screws. Cost is less than $100.00. So far I haven't bought, still trying to make up my mind.
Twin Cities was referred to me by Boston Whaler Service. They are really great. They sent me pictures of the decals and also of the rub rail. They are genuinely service oriented.

lhg posted 04-13-2000 12:13 AM ET (US)
Regarding Boston Whaler's rubrail systems, I am beginning to think that the glued-on one piece white rail, which I understand is available from the Classic Whaler Association, was not used past 1971. In 1972 they switched to the two-piece system of a semi-rigid vinyl receiver, pop-riveted to the hull, with a flexible black or red inset, which is readily replaceable. I prefer the latter, and even updated my 1971 Nauset 16 with the newer rail. A picture can be seen in the Cetecea section. It was not a difficult job, but did require a pop-rivet gun. Quite by accident, at the IMTEC trade show in Chicago, I discovered Whaler's OEM manufacturer, evidently a closely held secret, and they said they would sell to a boat owner. These same rub-rails were also used on the Outrage/Revenge models up through 1993. The information is at my office, and I will post the name from work tomorrow for anyone interested in replacing their rubrail, or the black vinyl insert. A new insert really improves the look of the boat. I think it costs about $1/foot.
kent posted 04-13-2000 01:30 AM ET (US)
Larry
Based on my previous posts about the age of my boat and the responses that seemed to indicate that it may be a transition boat and based on this information about the rub rail, do you think that my boat could be a 1972?
Kent
lhg posted 04-13-2000 01:03 PM ET (US)
Kent: In the Cetecea section, there is a picture of Russ Bauer's 1971 13', which has the new "Smirk" bow. Assuming Russ is correct on the year of his boat, if your boat does not have the Smirk, it would have to be 1970 or older.
Regarding the rubrail OEM, to keep things in order, I'll post on it on Jim's new section of the Forum.
kent posted 04-13-2000 04:08 PM ET (US)
Larry
Now I'm really confused! But then, that's not necessarily out of order for me. From the information in the history of the 13 ft. given in this website, I thought that the major transition year for the BW13, when it acquired the smirk, was 1973. The front of my boat looks like Russ', but I have the notched transom and straight motorwell. The original gelcoat was blue on the inside and tan on the outside. My rubrail looks almost identical to his as well. Not that I mean to go on about this, but I'm just curious about how old my boat is. Too bad I don't have the identification no.
Russ has one sweet little boat there! He looks proud as punch too. I just love looking at that picture. I have a way to go yet before mine looks that good.
jimh posted 04-18-2000 02:50 PM ET (US)
Regarding the transition from the original Whaler hull to the "smirk" bow:
Current best guess/judgement (that would be LHG!) is that c.1971 marks the smirk debut.
I just revised the "13" section to reflect this.
Of course, if anyone has a boat with a definite history and a smirk bow, we could always use some more data points. So please send/post your info.
If you have the hull number or the serial number (they are two different numbers), you may be able to get a "Born-On" date from Whaler Customer Service. (Others have reported doing this.) That would pin-down your particular boat, Kent.
--jim
kent posted 04-18-2000 04:15 PM ET (US)
Jim
I'm still confused. Unfortunately, there is no hull number on my boat. It was apparantly removed by a previous owner in one of it's many facelifts. We removed three layers of paint. If the number was sprayed on through a stencil as the example in cetacea, there is no way it could have survived.
If the transition to the "smirk" was 1971, why does the photo of the 1973 Whaler 16 Bass Boat (another beauty, by the way) show the classic hull sans the smirk? Did only the 13 foot hulls change in 1971?
david in boston posted 04-18-2000 09:39 PM ET (US)
I think the 16 hulls changed in 76 to the smirk. and the 13 changed earlier.
kent posted 04-19-2000 12:48 AM ET (US)
Thanks, David
Now I am not so confused. For some reason I had thought that the hull change occurred across the entire WHALER model line at the same time. I didn't realize that they had tried it out on the 13's first. Thanks for clearing that up for me (I really was confused!) It just goes to show that there is always something else to learn on this site.
token posted 03-05-2003 01:22 PM ET (US)
I'm looking for a white rub rail for a 16' 7" Nausau? Are there any contacts in Geaorgia?

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Author	Topic: Rub Rail 1972 13 ss
konoco	posted 04-10-2000 09:45 PM ET (US) Looking for rub rail 1972 13 ss. The rail itself is black ,But the white plastic around it is bad in a few spots. Does the white plastic come with it,also how does it come off?
kent	posted 04-10-2000 10:45 PM ET (US) Hi there, konoco Still working on your boat, eh! I am going through the rub rail thing with my boat as well. My boat is also a pre-73 13 SS. The old rail was pretty much toast, so I am replacing it. It was also a white plastic moulded piece with a black rubber inset strip. Apparently, this is not the correct rail for our vintage boats. My information is that the original rub rail was a flimsy all white one piece plastic thing that was glued on. One of the other fellows thought that the rail on my boat was probably an updated replacement. Yours probably is too. I have removed the rub rail on my boat. This is how it went: 1. The black insert extended just slightly around the back corners of the boat and was secured to the transom by a screw and washer at each end. The screws were removed. One of the screws on my boat was a wood type screw and the other was a machine screw which was threaded into a threaded fitting that is inside of the hull. 2. This then allowed removal of the black inset strip. Just pulled it out. 3. Once the black strip was removed it exposed a row of screws. The white molding was screwed to the hull every 3-4 in. There was absolutely no sign that there had ever been any other rub rail screwed or glued on ( no traces of adhesive). I am not concerned with restoring the boat to it's original condition, and I am not fond of the original BW rail. It looks really flimsy and the idea of a glue-on does not appeal to me either. Someone else on this board bought the glue-on for his boat and decided not to use it. I also liked the contrast that the black rail that was on the boat gave as opposed to the all white. So I am in the midst of looking for one like the one I took off. Our friends at Twin Cities Marine (the same ones that helped with the lettering) have been trying hard to accomadate me. They have the two piece system, but the main moulding is off- white. They also have an all black style. Both styles are screw on with the insert to cover the screws. Cost is less than $100.00. So far I haven't bought, still trying to make up my mind. Twin Cities was referred to me by Boston Whaler Service. They are really great. They sent me pictures of the decals and also of the rub rail. They are genuinely service oriented.
lhg	posted 04-13-2000 12:13 AM ET (US) Regarding Boston Whaler's rubrail systems, I am beginning to think that the glued-on one piece white rail, which I understand is available from the Classic Whaler Association, was not used past 1971. In 1972 they switched to the two-piece system of a semi-rigid vinyl receiver, pop-riveted to the hull, with a flexible black or red inset, which is readily replaceable. I prefer the latter, and even updated my 1971 Nauset 16 with the newer rail. A picture can be seen in the Cetecea section. It was not a difficult job, but did require a pop-rivet gun. Quite by accident, at the IMTEC trade show in Chicago, I discovered Whaler's OEM manufacturer, evidently a closely held secret, and they said they would sell to a boat owner. These same rub-rails were also used on the Outrage/Revenge models up through 1993. The information is at my office, and I will post the name from work tomorrow for anyone interested in replacing their rubrail, or the black vinyl insert. A new insert really improves the look of the boat. I think it costs about $1/foot.
kent	posted 04-13-2000 01:30 AM ET (US) Larry Based on my previous posts about the age of my boat and the responses that seemed to indicate that it may be a transition boat and based on this information about the rub rail, do you think that my boat could be a 1972? Kent
lhg	posted 04-13-2000 01:03 PM ET (US) Kent: In the Cetecea section, there is a picture of Russ Bauer's 1971 13', which has the new "Smirk" bow. Assuming Russ is correct on the year of his boat, if your boat does not have the Smirk, it would have to be 1970 or older. Regarding the rubrail OEM, to keep things in order, I'll post on it on Jim's new section of the Forum.
kent	posted 04-13-2000 04:08 PM ET (US) Larry Now I'm really confused! But then, that's not necessarily out of order for me. From the information in the history of the 13 ft. given in this website, I thought that the major transition year for the BW13, when it acquired the smirk, was 1973. The front of my boat looks like Russ', but I have the notched transom and straight motorwell. The original gelcoat was blue on the inside and tan on the outside. My rubrail looks almost identical to his as well. Not that I mean to go on about this, but I'm just curious about how old my boat is. Too bad I don't have the identification no. Russ has one sweet little boat there! He looks proud as punch too. I just love looking at that picture. I have a way to go yet before mine looks that good.
jimh	posted 04-18-2000 02:50 PM ET (US) Regarding the transition from the original Whaler hull to the "smirk" bow: Current best guess/judgement (that would be LHG!) is that c.1971 marks the smirk debut. I just revised the "13" section to reflect this. Of course, if anyone has a boat with a definite history and a smirk bow, we could always use some more data points. So please send/post your info. If you have the hull number or the serial number (they are two different numbers), you may be able to get a "Born-On" date from Whaler Customer Service. (Others have reported doing this.) That would pin-down your particular boat, Kent. --jim
kent	posted 04-18-2000 04:15 PM ET (US) Jim I'm still confused. Unfortunately, there is no hull number on my boat. It was apparantly removed by a previous owner in one of it's many facelifts. We removed three layers of paint. If the number was sprayed on through a stencil as the example in cetacea, there is no way it could have survived. If the transition to the "smirk" was 1971, why does the photo of the 1973 Whaler 16 Bass Boat (another beauty, by the way) show the classic hull sans the smirk? Did only the 13 foot hulls change in 1971?
david in boston	posted 04-18-2000 09:39 PM ET (US) I think the 16 hulls changed in 76 to the smirk. and the 13 changed earlier.
kent	posted 04-19-2000 12:48 AM ET (US) Thanks, David Now I am not so confused. For some reason I had thought that the hull change occurred across the entire WHALER model line at the same time. I didn't realize that they had tried it out on the 13's first. Thanks for clearing that up for me (I really was confused!) It just goes to show that there is always something else to learn on this site.
token	posted 03-05-2003 01:22 PM ET (US) I'm looking for a white rub rail for a 16' 7" Nausau? Are there any contacts in Geaorgia?