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kingfish posted 06-11-2000 10:02 AM ET (US)   Profile for kingfish   Send Email to kingfish  
Anybody ever see one on a boat? Or better yet, can anyone point me in a direction (if they've seen such a thing) where I can collect data about how much telescopicity (?) is available, how much space of what type I'd lose in a center console to accomodate it etc., etc. ??
lhg posted 06-12-2000 12:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
John: If I remember correctly, you have hydraulic steering. Teleflex makes a tilt wheel helm pump, but not a telescoping unit as far as I know. Whaler has used the tilting unit for some time now on various models, perhaps as an option.
kingfish posted 06-12-2000 01:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Larry,
You're right, it's some kind of proprietary (I think) hydraulic steering, it's called "power steering" on the Evinrude 225 and the plumbing goes up into the engine and back out again, although it seems to steer with the same amount of effort (very little) whether the engine is running or not.

Tilt won't do, though, to achieve what I'm looking for - the new geometry is just right, having raised my console and lowered my leaning post, except that if I sit back on top of the leaning post with my back up against the back rest, the wheel is at the right height, but my arms are too short to reach it. Telescoping steering column would be perfect. I hope I don't have to invent something...

bigz posted 06-12-2000 03:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
John,

Unless you can retrofit a car's steering tele think your going into the inventing business --- chuckle ---

One crazy idea though--- is to have an extension shaft made mount your internal hydraulic unit on it, need at least two internal support brackets and the some type external locking/release ratchet type bracket so the whole thing slides in and out of your console --- just a weirdo thought mind you -- since the extension has to support your power steering unit would have to be substantial ---

I have the same problem on our 27! Either have to hunch way over or steer with the feet --- of the 1100 mile trip we just made probably stood and leaned on my feet 1000 of it!!

By the way what type of horse show competitions are you involved in John?

Regards --- Tom

lhg posted 06-12-2000 04:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
John: You've discovered a common problem with Leaning Posts - they're not really made for sitting! For steering anything seated, including an auto, the bottom of the wheel has to be at least 6" higher than the top of the seat. I would try moving the leaning post as close to the console as possible.

How do you like your raised console?

kingfish posted 06-12-2000 07:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Larry,
Had Outre' on Lake Michigan Saturday out of Benton Harbor/St. Joe - didn't fish, just fooled around and met up with my younger brother out in his Chris. Maiden voyage for the raised console and lowered seat, and I loved it - way better than things used to be. I moved the leaning post as close to the console as I can stand, but in order to be 100% comfortable both standing and sitting, I need the telescopic action...maybe this is where I design the little device that no one knew they couldn't live without and make my gazillion bucks (not). Let me know if you see someone trying to beat me to the patent office...
kingfish posted 06-12-2000 08:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Tom,
1000 miles standing must be a long haul - I envy you for the trip, though. That looks like a great boat. It'd be neat if you could figure out how to get it up here for our North Channel Rendezvous on August...

Off-topic, so I'll try to be quick about the horses - Class A Arabian shows primarily around the mid-west, Nationals in Louisville and Albuquerque, Youth Nationals (my daughter) in Oklahoma City; we ride English Pleasure, Country English Pleasure and Arabian Native Costume (that's a gas). Our new half-Arab (part Saddlebred)Ambition Afire (just got him this Winter)is only seven and still learning, looks like more of a Country prospect than full English, gray and big - about 16.2 hands, but stocky like an Arab so he doesn't seem all that big until a short guy like me tries to get on...thanks for asking...are you a horse-type?

bigz posted 06-13-2000 10:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
John,

Thanks for the compliment on Amy's Whaler she is a great boat ---

Your August trip with the Midwest group sounds like it will be great and we do wish we could attend! Afraid our long trip budget has been spent for the year (approx... $2000 plus on gas and oil alone)! The 27 isn't conventionally trailer-able to boot, it needs wide load permits due to the 10 foot beam. Plus one 1100 plus mile trip on the water is enough for a year -- though the trip up through the NY canal out into the lakes sounds like an idea for a future adventure!

On horses -- at present we just have a Haflinger "pony" mare and her yearling (which we delivered here on the place), my wife drives the mare. I for about 15 years up through the mid-80's did the combined training deal. Just up through preliminary -- never had a horse that could go advanced. Your Ambition Afire sounds like he might make for a fine combined training mount, at 16.2 he certainly I would guess has the legs and with the Arabian heritage the stamina. I digress --- heh heh --- guess it ain't a "horse" forum ---

Good luck with figuring out a tele wheel set-up -- let us all know if you come up with something.

Tom

lhg posted 06-13-2000 05:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
OK you guys - enough of this horse stuff on this Whaler site!!
John, seriously though, I just looked at some photos of your boat, and actually the Teleflex tilting wheel helm could actually work for you. With the slope of your dash, the wheel could be tilted vertically, or even over-vertical, bringing the top of the wheel at least 6" or more closer to you. Give it some thought. I may be able to dig up some Teleflex literature on this helm if you're interested.
kingfish posted 06-14-2000 07:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Larry,
If that literature is easy for you to find, or if you can point me in the direction where I could look at it, I'd be grateful. I'm having difficulty envisioning how the geometry would be helpful; maybe once I saw what it looks like and how it works, I could draw a profile of my seat and console to scale and introduce the location and travel of the tilt wheel to appreciate the possibilities.

Thanks-

bigz posted 06-14-2000 09:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Ok Larry no horse talk -- chuckle --

John, Teleflex reports they do make a tilt and telescopic automotive steering set-up, however your going to have to download their steering catalog to find out more information which can be found here (need Acrobat Reader) http://www.tfxmarine.com/catalog.htm or here is a diagram of the tilt helm used by the SeaStar system which might give you an idea of what the tilt can achieve http://www.seastarsteering.com/OVERVIEW/oview.htm and the phone number is 610-495-7011

Couldn't find a diagram of their telescopic system -- Tom

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