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Fiddler posted 06-16-2000 11:23 AM ET (US)   Profile for Fiddler   Send Email to Fiddler  
First I'd like to say thanks for this great website. The resources here have been invaluable to me as I've embarked on my Whaler restoration. I inherited an older Whaler with a 1967 title but was unable to find a hull number anywhere on the boat to use for verification of the hull type and manufacture date. While in the process of buying a new rub rail I talked to Sue Lodel from Twin Cities Marine. She said that there should be a number stenciled in the bow locker. At first I didn't see one there as the hull was painted at some other point. Sue said the number should go all the way through the fiberglass and that I should be able to sand the paint away and see the number. I did so and she was correct, the numbers 3009 magically appeared. Now all that's left is to hear from the factory what hull type my boat was orignally delived as and find out which rubrail I should get.

Not related to this issue, I've taken everything out of my boat and towed it to the local co-op to have it weighed. Still on the trailer the boat weighed 1000 pounds. I've yet to take the boat off the trailer to weight the trailer and find the difference, but the trailer isn't very big. I suspect the boat weight 700-800 pounds. How worried should I be? I have found damaged fiberglass and wet foam behind the bow rubrail and there are small cracks all over the boat. Thanks in advance!

Fiddler posted 06-16-2000 04:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Fiddler  Send Email to Fiddler     
A follow-up to my last post. The boat is a 1961, not 1967 as the title states and apparently was ninth in the series. Now it's time to get to work!
lhg posted 06-16-2000 04:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Whaler's advertized bare hull weight for the 16' hull was 500 pounds. This would apply to all of the boats from 1961 - 1974 or 75.
jimh posted 06-17-2000 12:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Fiddler,

There seems to be a common angst among owners of older Whalers--particularly those whose history is clouded--about the state of the hull and any water entrapped therein.

Your idea to weigh the boat is a good one, but remember to allow for all the other things on the boat besides the hull: the interior, the railings, the engine, the rigging. All that is additional weight.

Careful inspection of the hull by tapping is a good way to search for any delaminations.

Your boat, if indeed a 1961, might be a very early boat. You might have something of a collector's item! Proceed with care, you could be working on one of the most ORIGINAL of the Classic Whalers!

--jimh

Fiddler posted 06-17-2000 09:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for Fiddler  Send Email to Fiddler     
Thanks for the replies. Unfortunately the 1000 pound weight was as a completly empty boat, no rails, no interior, no engine. However, as I said before, that 1000 pounds does include the trailer and at least three coats of paint. The info about the manufacture date of the Whaler came from Sue Lodel from Twin Cities Marine. When I ordered the new rubrail she called BW to get info on the boat based on the hull number. BTW, Sue has been very helpful. I'm hoping to get the boat up there for a professional assessment. For now however, I'm just trying to get the hull sanded down. Thanks again for all the replies!
Jaspell posted 06-30-2000 01:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jaspell  Send Email to Jaspell     
My 1958 brochure puts the boat's weight at 380 pounds. add 200 for the trailer and you're at about 600. IF YOUI ARE COMING IN AT 1000 lbs on th truck scale, you have the inevitable problem of a wet hull. The older whalers crack above the warter line and the rain gets in. It cannot be helped and the hull cannot be dried out. Understand that a boat is a thing and it is getting near the end of its useful life. In the meantime, up the horsepower of your outboard to get up on plane and instal a bilge pump if the boat is on a mooring. (At 1000lbs, it's going to be way low in the water.) Good luck.

Jim

jimh posted 06-30-2000 08:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Before I'd make a pier head leap to the conclusion that the boat has gained 400 pounds of water, I'd wonder about the accuracy of the scale.

If you weighed the boat on a typical big truck scale, they probably go up to 100,000 lbs. or more. Your 1,000 Whaler is barely moving the pin off the rest on the scale.

It is like trying to measure a pound of something on a bathroom scale; I don't trust it at such a low percentage of its total capacity.

--jimh

Ger posted 07-03-2000 09:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ger  Send Email to Ger     
Fiddler, after you've been around this web site for a while, you'll notice the topic of wet hulls keeps popping up. I too got caught up in the paranoia- "did I make a mistake buying this boat..is it gonna sink..am I wasting my time making it look good?" Look at the archives..you'll see what I mean. Then I contacted Whaler service for the info from the people who should know..I don't worry about it anymore. Enjoy you're boat!! Next time you see an old beat-up whaler being used as a marina work boat or a crabber, ask yourself if that guy is worried about a wet hull! Have fun..Ger
Fiddler posted 07-03-2000 02:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Fiddler  Send Email to Fiddler     
Thanks for all the replies. I agree that the scale may be suspect, I plan on getting the boat to another weight station as soon as possible. However that doesn't stop me from worrying. While sanding my orbital sander popped off an old repair from the corner of the hull. It looks like the boat hit something and chipped an area less than an inch and then repaired with a little expoy. About two cups of water dribbled out of the pin hole before it stopped, and this was towards the bow of the boat. It makes me wonder what would come out of a hole in the lowest point of the boat. However, I'll let everyone know what I find out as the repair process progresses.
lhg posted 07-05-2000 03:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Sounds like you have an old hull that has suffered from poor repair work, all of which can add weight, leave hull delaminations fixed improperly and allow water to get in to those delaminations. Even cured paint can add weight. A properly bonded hull will not hold water in the foam.
BD posted 07-24-2000 05:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for BD  Send Email to BD     
Just a quick note on wet hull....I agree with Ger. The only real issue is if you have the power to push it, and are worried about having to keep afloat when someone saws your boat in half with a chain saw.
My 1967 13' and 1985 15' both run and float great, and they are heavy suckers....

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