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Hoop posted 07-20-2000 03:32 PM ET (US)   Profile for Hoop   Send Email to Hoop  
I'm getting a new Montauk. What are the best practices for configuring a Montauk console with VHF, fishfinder, and compass? VHF: flush mounting (where on the console) vs bracket mount? Compass - every one I've ever seen is mounted on the left side in line with the steering wheel. Fishfinder - which brackets are best? How best do you put an access hole in the top of the console for the transducer wire such that it looks good and water is less likely to make its way back into the console? Thanks! Jim
triblet posted 07-20-2000 08:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
See [url]http://www.garlic.com/~triblet/whaler/[url]
for lots of pix and description.

Abstract:

Nav should go in front of the helm, radio out
of the way. Bracket mount, there's no place
to flush mount. Run the wires up through the
top of the console. Keep the water out by
either using one of nice waterproof
connectors from West Marine, or by using
a clamshell (also from West) over the hole
(put a piece of inner tube between the
clamshell and the wires to help keep the
water out).

Chuck Tribolet

triblet posted 07-20-2000 08:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
Oops, that shoulda been:

www.garlic.com/~triblet/whaler/

You should be able to click on the above.

Chuck Tribolet
triblet@garlic.com

Hoop posted 07-21-2000 12:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoop  Send Email to Hoop     
Chuck, thanks! I've been to your page before to read about the anchor storage and had forgottent the photo of the console. Outboard Motor Shop sometimes mounts the VHF in the console below and to the right of the steering wheel. You have to be seated to see it and change stations, but it stays dry. I would be interested in anyone who has experience with this arrangement. The "water proof" advice for a VHF sounds well advised.

Another question: Is there a trick to putting a 1 1/4 inch or so hole in the fiberglass console top without chipping it? Certainly not a spade drill bit. One of those hole drill bit attachments? Jim in San Jose.

Peter posted 07-21-2000 08:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Hoop
I have an 18 Outrage which has the same console as the 17 Montauk, except that the Outrage's might be slightly taller. I have a Standard Nova + VHF flush mounted to the right of the steering wheel as you describe. That setup works fine and keeps the top of the console from becoming too cluttered. The Nova + is built on Standard's older,larger chassis and the front panel of the radio is tilted upward relative to the rest of the chassis so the channel indicator can be seen without much trouble. The reason I bought this radio is that the microphone doubles as a speaker. I can carry on a radio conversation with the windnoise typically experienced underway. I am not sure that this model is still made and sold. FYI, it costs about $100 more than the Eclipse + model.

To round out the fitup, I have a Hummingbird 600 Platinum ID (c. 1993) mounted on the left side of the console, a Ritchie surface mount compass to the right (as far away from the steering wheel as possible) and a Garmin 175 cartographic GPS also mounted on the right side. The nice thing about the Garmin unit is that it is narrow. If you don't want a cartographic unit, I would recommend Garmin's GPS 48 which is narrow and built for the marine environment.


mattr posted 07-21-2000 08:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for mattr  Send Email to mattr     
Chuck -

I really don't mean to change the subject here, but I was reading on your linked site about your electronics setup, and I was wondering how you like your Garmin 162 - I am looking at the same model, but when I look at it in the store, it is a demo model with no maps loaded, etc. How do you like the map views? Is there enough detail?

Thanks for your thoughts -

Mattr

dgp posted 07-21-2000 10:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for dgp  Send Email to dgp     
Hoop, the 2 most important pieces of equipment are the compass and VHF radio.
I'm going with a handheld submersible VHF radio because I don't want to deal with the antenna issues (storage, whipping around, etc.) I'm mounting the compass directly in front of the wheel for visibility. I'm not sure if it'll be a digital or manual. Yea, I know, what if I loose power? I'll have a small handheld for emergency situations. Don
tarbaby posted 07-21-2000 01:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for tarbaby  Send Email to tarbaby     
Just a thought, I have a Garmin Etrex(114$ West Marine) with the bicycle mount(19$ West Marine). It fits on the rail on my center console. This brings is up closer to your eyes.I know this model is not as detailed as others but it is fine for my application.
lhg posted 07-21-2000 02:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Setting up a Whaler center console is a highly personal choice, so you're probably going to have to look at the options & opinions and make your own choice. It has been marine, and Boston Whaler, tradition for years that the compass always be located on the wheel centerline. Any Whaler catalog will show the compass in this position, and this is the way they came from the factory if a compass option was ordered. Binnacle mount compasses are generally preferred with mechanical steering, to avoid magnetic interference.

This leaves the starboard side for the electronic displays. Like most, I hate drilling large holes in the top of fiberglass consoles that are difficult to repair or change at a later date. But if you must, use a hole saw as the recommended method. Using the starboard side placement for electronics (see Cetacea, page 3), I run the cables from the inside of the console, sometimes as many as 5, from a hole in the top of the fire extinguisher cabinet (large enough to pass the various end connectors for the sonar & gps) out & over the top edge trim of the FE box, under the starboard side of the plexiglass windshield and directly into the back of the unit. The windshield only has to be loosened to get the cables & plugs under it. I think this is a slick installation, and looks clean and simple, requireding no holes in the top of the console, and hence no leaks. Two bolts hold the sonar/gps unit bracket in place.

Regarding the radio, I still think the console is the best place for it, as your dealer & Boston Whaler suggests. Mine are also on the starboard side, raised up off the floor on a block about 6", so it's actually near the top of the open door. An external speaker can be temporarily clamped on the console rail if needed. But watch for magnetic interference with the compass.

The black fold out drink holders, incidentally, should be mounted on the sides of the console rather than on the rear, where they're in the way. Don't know why Whaler does this lately! They should also be the larger size that holds the can in the foam sleeve.

Peter posted 07-21-2000 09:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Regarding cupholders, I've purchased several cuzzy-like holders which snap on to the stainless railing around the console. There about $ 12-13 each. Can be bought mail order at Defenders. Can't remember who makes them. They look somewhat like a coozy but have a vertical and horizontal channels that can snap onto vertical and horizontal railings.
triblet posted 07-23-2000 10:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
Why would you want to drill 1 1/4" hole?
I can't think of anything that would
need it. Make the holes JUST big enough.
If I had to make a 1 1/4" hole, I'd use a
hole saw.

I like my 162. I use the topo maps for nav.
The marine maps have less shore line detail
(though they do have all the slips in the
harbor, yawn). NEITHER has depth contours
(boo, hiss).

It's a new world. The nav electronics should
be in front of the help, not over on the
starboard side.

Get a submersible radio and don't worry about
it getting wet. There's little enough room
in a Montauk console.

Above all, be willing to do things over to
make it right. I've finally got a layout
I like.

Chuck Tribolet
triblet@garlic.com

sr posted 07-24-2000 08:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for sr  Send Email to sr     
On our 91 montauk the compass is mounted dead center in the top of the console a little foward, I have not noticed interference with the steering. In the right front corner of the console is mounted the fish finder, directly in line toward seat is the loran, and then on the vertical surface to the left of the key is my vhf. I'll be upgrading finder and loran soon. Hopefully I can reuse holes, or perhaps redrill the new mounts.
I like this arrangement as the entire left side of the console top is free of instruments giving me an area for rigging or holding assorted goodies.
sr
triblet posted 07-26-2000 10:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
Garmin posted a new microcode load (2.12)
for the 162/168 on their website yesterday.
Supposedly it will make depth contours
appear if you are using the topo sheets.
I can't download it as I'm still waiting for
the serial cable. (I downloaded the topo
sheets by soldering a DB9 connector onto
the power/data cable that came with unit,
and is now installed on the boat, sans
DB9).

Chuck Tribolet

Chuck Tribolet

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