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triblet posted 08-26-2000 08:27 PM ET (US)   Profile for triblet   Send Email to triblet  
One of the five big bolts that attach the
console rail to the console keeps backing
out. It's the one in the middle of the
front of the console. If I just tighten it,
it lasts about two days on the water. I
Locktited it, and it lasted a couple of
months, and then backed out again.

Any ideas?

Chuck Tribolet

dfmcintyre posted 08-27-2000 06:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Chuck -

I'm assuming that your talking about the ss grabrail that connects with the one that goes around the windshield and "loops" forward.

Is it a wood screw that goes into a plywood plate glassed inside the console? If so, why not just drill through and use a properly sized ss machine screw with washer and locknut on the inside?

Mac

triblet posted 08-27-2000 09:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
It's about half inch SS bolt that goes
through the console wall from the inside.
There's a threaded insert welded in the tube
where it loops down to the front of the
console. There's no locking mechanism
at all.

Chuck Tribolet

dgp posted 08-27-2000 04:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for dgp  Send Email to dgp     
Chuck, there's 3 grades of Loctite, maybe you need the medium or permanent type. Or maybe the threaded insert or capscrew is somewhat stripped out. Switch bolts from another location and see what happens. Don
triblet posted 08-27-2000 07:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
Actually, there are six kinds of Loctite
for metal bolts. I used the medium strength
for bolts < 3/4". The high strength I won't
use, it's virtually impossible to ever get
it apart.

Right now, I'm thinking of drilling the bolt
head and safety wiring it. I've got monel
safety wire that I used to use on anchor
shackles, and I've got a buddy with the
pliars.

Chuck Tribolet

bschmitt posted 08-28-2000 12:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for bschmitt  Send Email to bschmitt     
I've just gone through removing console rails and windshield from my 82 Montauk. The rails are fitted with SS machine screws which use some odd rubberized threaded inserts. These inserts easily fall out. I replaced all missing inserts with locknuts plus fender washers.

Locktiteing won't work, because it's the rubber thingie that comes loose....

BS

triblet posted 08-28-2000 02:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
You sure you aren't talking about the
windshield??

My windshield uses the rubber gizmos. That's
not the problem. The rail is attached by
five large (half inch?) SS bolts, one
forward, two on each side, that into the
center of the tube. There's a threaded
metal insert welded into the tube.

Chuck Tribolet

Chuck Tribolet

lhg posted 08-28-2000 05:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I think the confusion on console rails is the fact that somewhere around 1996-1997 BW stopped using the CMI jointed rail (far superior in my estimation, and more costly, I'm sure) and substituted a one piece all welded console rail, with a revised, smaller, front "loop" design. (They also did this on the bow and side rails) My Outrages also have the CMI console rails and they are all through bolted through the console. Only the smaller "set" screws in the fittings, with plastic lock rings on them, have to be occasionally tightened. The console connections are solid. I have often thought that if I bought a new Montauk, I would order it without the console rail, and get one of the original designed ones from CMI.

Chuck, perhaps you could have a round SS plate, about 2" in dia, welded on to the rail end, then drill it for two through bolts to hold in place. This would be similar to the way bow rails are fabricated for the Outrages.

PS The Console windshield "rubber gizmos" are called "wellnuts". They are hard to find in the size that Whaler uses!

Backlash posted 08-28-2000 07:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
Larry,
When I put the center console in my 15 SS back in 1990, I ordered SS fittings from Boston Whaler for a Montauk console/windshield railing and had the railing fabricated locally. For the front "loop" portion of the railing, Whaler furnished a triangular-shaped cast SS fitting for the dead end against the front of the console. I believe it was held in place with 4 screws and the end of the "loop" slipped into this fitting and was held by a set screw. This fitting was obviously custom made for Whaler just for this purpose. Am I the only one who has used or seen this fitting?
Steve
lhg posted 08-29-2000 12:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Steve: That's the standard fitting used on all the Montauk/Outrage consoles using the CMI console rail system. I have that on both of mine.

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