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whalerron posted 01-24-2001 11:12 PM ET (US)   Profile for whalerron   Send Email to whalerron  
I am in the process of shopping for and comparing VHF radios for my Whaler. Because my Minot model Whaler has no "out-of-the-weather" locations to mount a radio, the unit I buy must be waterproof. With this in mind, I am also limited by $$ that I have to spend. For these reasons, I find the Raytheon and Shakespeare units which sell for about $150 to be very attractive. Do you have any thoughts on these radios, their reliability and their "weather tightness"?

thanks,
ron

triblet posted 01-25-2001 12:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
Those units aren't waterproof, just kinda
sorta splash proof. In an open boat, you
want a unit that's rated JIS 7 (submersible
3' for 30 minutes). I'd recommend the
Standard Horizon Intrepid. I've got it's
big brother Spectrum, and both are well
built. I wanted one of the features of the
Spectrum. For most folks, the Intrepid is
fine.

BTW, I had an Apelco 5200 (same as Raytheon
52). It died. Raytheon replaced it on
warantee (diagnosis: "severe saltwater
intrusion") but it's sitting in the garage
now.

Chuck

Peter posted 01-25-2001 07:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
At the boat show this year, in Standard's booth they had one of their fixed mount radios floating freely in a tank of water while it was plugged into 12v power. Whaever that model was, my guess is that it would clearly serve your needs.
kingfish posted 01-25-2001 08:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Second Chuck's recommendation for the Standard Horizon Intrepid; I have one and am absolutely pleased with it. It can be bracket-mounted (on the console deck, or wherever) or flush-mounted in the face of the console, with an additional inexpensive kit.

John

Dick posted 01-25-2001 09:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
I have a Raytheon 45 flush mounted in the console of my Montauk and have been very happy with it. The boat has been used in very heavy rain many times with no ill effects.
Dick
whalernut posted 01-25-2001 08:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
I bought one of those Black and Yellow Hummingbird handhelds for $89.99, big mistake! They have very limited range and are not clear sounding at all.I have tried every setting and can`t get the fuzziness out of it. The full charge doesn`t last very long either. Does anyone else have any experience with this model? Regards-Jack Graner.
triblet posted 01-25-2001 09:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
"Very limited range" means different things
to different whalers, depending on
expectations. Does that mean "only across
the marina", or "not across the ocean". ;-)

Whatda expect for $89?

BTW, Standard has a new handheld on the
West website. HX260S, I think, JIS 7
(serious waterproof) and about $180.

Chuck

Dick posted 01-25-2001 09:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
If you are looking for a hand held I have a Raytheon 100 in my workshop hooked up to an 8' Shakeseare on the roof. Good crisp sound. I haven't used it on the boat as I have one installed. Even at 5 watts output the short antenna will limit range but hooked up to a longer antenna it seems to function as well as a fixed unit.
Dick
Barry posted 01-25-2001 10:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barry  Send Email to Barry     
Regarding handhelds, I have read good things about the Shakespeare SE700 Handheld. Waterproofness is supposed to be "high". 3-year watertight warranty features a guaranteed 48 hour turnaround or Shakespeare provides a free loaner. The battery life is excellent - 18 hours on the NiMH and 10 on alkaline. That's more than twice what most handhelds deliver with nicads.

The Raytheon and Standard handhelds are rated "very high" in waterproofness. They claim that they are submersible.

stagalv posted 01-25-2001 10:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for stagalv  Send Email to stagalv     
I'm sold on Icoms. I have had a handheld M-1 for about 2 years and it is great and they say "submersible". Recently I bought an Icom M-45 for my Montauk. It's not yet installed but I know many people who have this and other Icom products and have been happy. Rex
FISHNFF posted 01-26-2001 12:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for FISHNFF  Send Email to FISHNFF     
I have used Standards for many years with no problems. On my 17, which gets wet alot, I have been using a Horizon plus for 6+ trouble free years (knock on wood). I even put one on my 22 Grady. I was thinking of replacing it with an OMNI when it went out, but it still Tx's and Rx's strong. I'll probably get another one. I have gone through a few antennaes and am happy with the Shakespeare Galaxy 5226XT.
triblet posted 01-26-2001 12:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
Just because it's waranteed against water
intrusion doesn't mean it IS waterproof. The
manufacturer may have found it is more
expedient to replace some radios than to
really waterproof it. I looked at the
gasketing on my Apelco 5200. It wasn't
close to the two Standards I have (console
and handheld) (They in turn aren't quite
as good as my Nikonos RS cameras, which
are good to 100 meters until they corrode
away ;-).

Apelcos have a good rep, but I think they
are only JIS 6. I now the expensive
($450) model is.

Chuck

jimh posted 01-26-2001 12:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I have an ICOM--I've always been partial to them. This one is Non-DSC, hence "clearance" priced.

I also have a KING. They make top-of-the-line AVIONICs and had a marine line for a while, too. Not available any more. A curiousity radio.

Our sailboat had a MOTOROLA. Fine radio. Full commerical grade. Steel case with rubber gaskets. Built like a truck. That radio will be working on doomsday.

--jimh

hauptjm posted 01-26-2001 11:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
I also have and would recommend the Standard Horizon. I use the 6 ft. Shakspeare attached at the gunnel, with a "lay-down" rachet attachment. Great range, great clarity.
bigz posted 01-26-2001 12:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
What did you want on the Spectrum Chuck?

The loud hailer, the horn, whistle, bells, or DCS connected to your GPS!

We almost went with the Icom IC-M127 however price was the deciding factor able to get the Spectrum for $375 and the lowest price on the Icom was $430 both had about the same features --- we have since purchased the SH Ram Mic and have it mounted as a second station in the cuddy -- use it as an intercom. Good unit.

Now a suggestion to Ron, who qualified his purchase, the Raytheon 45 is an excellent choice for the money or the Horizon Eclipse+ --- $149 and $160 respectably at Shoreway Marine. Both are compact more than adequately waterproof -- for $11 would tend towards the Horizon ---

If it's a handheld would go along with Barry for the money the Shakespeare SE700 is a very good buy and has excellent features for the money --- Tom

triblet posted 01-26-2001 01:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
I wanted the A/B button, which the Intrepid
doesn't have. I believe the Intrepid DSC
distress CAN be wired to the GPS.

And if I can ever figure out where to mount
a speaker so it's 100% out of the way, I'll
hook up the foghorn.

The Ray 45 is no more waterproof than the
Ray 52 I flooded. The gasketing is really
cheesy and I wouldn't expect it to stay
dry inside long term on an open console in
rough weather. Ditto the Eclipse. If you
haven't noticed, I'm big on submersible.
As an UW photographer, I KNOW that it can be
done, especially if you don't ever have to
open it up to change film.

BTW, the manual doesn't mention it, but the
normal mike on the Spectrum (and possibly
the Intrepid) has a speaker in it. This
is handy when underway or when someone in
the back seat wants to talk.

Chuck

bigz posted 01-26-2001 02:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Chuck sort of a high premium for just the A/B function --- but hey whatever turns your "buttons" chuckle ---

Yes the normal mic has a speaker function never used it since the unit is in the electronics cabinet --- however we do use the horn and loud hailer, they come in very handy as does selectable scanning.

I recall Raytheon improved the 45 and 52 considerably last year particularly the water resistance, something I read in a review (we had a 45 on the Outrage went with the boat when sold)--- dunking regardless of gaskets is very bad for a radio's health forget the specs --- not to mention the motor and operator, but hey Ron asked for suggestions in the 150 $$ range those are mine ---

scottfarm posted 01-27-2001 06:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for scottfarm  Send Email to scottfarm     
Whalernut, I have the same hummingbird handheld. I used a TNC-PL259 adapter to hook it up to an eight foot antenna and I have talked 18 miles. I plan to get an intrepid later--they are $199.00 at west marine. It's hard for me to hear my hummingbird while running but it sounds fine with motor off. The antenna really makes a difference in range. My battery lasts at least 10 hours before needing recharging-----Dennis
whalernut posted 01-27-2001 07:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Dennis, great idea I might try that. My battery does last, but the pickup is weak, antenna might just do the trick! Regards-Jack Graner.
Alaska posted 01-30-2001 12:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for Alaska  Send Email to Alaska     
We get a lot of rain up here, over 100 inches a year. In the summer while commercial salmon fishing I have used the raytheon "waterproof" vhf's in my powerskiff (open boat with 300 hp Cat) with no luck. I would normally go through one vhf per year. (about 50 days of use) The last radio I bought was a waterproof Satandard handheld with headphone jacks for when the ponys were pulling. that was three years ago and the radio shows no sign of slowing down.
lhg posted 01-30-2001 03:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Today there's a news article out that indicates Raytheon has sold their Recreational Marine Electronics operation for $108 million. New buyers, from the UK I think, are going to call it Raymarine. If they'd been reading this thread, they might have paid less for it!
whalerron posted 01-30-2001 10:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerron  Send Email to whalerron     
While researching the Standard Communications VHF radios, I discovered that they have sold their Marine Electronics division to Yaseu....
triblet posted 01-30-2001 11:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
Someone said that Raytheon had improved the
waterproofness of their radios.

According to http://www.raymarine.com/,
the Ray 45, Ray 52, and new DSC Ray 53 all
only claim CFR-46, which is not as stringent
as JIS 7.

Chuck

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