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Clark Roberts posted 04-07-2001 06:36 AM ET (US)   Profile for Clark Roberts   Send Email to Clark Roberts  
I recently picked up a 1974 Outrage 19 (19'4"LOA) to convert to a low profile configuration. The hull is straight but gel-coat is crazed with spider (and worse) cracks but the transom is solid, and it has a great trailer. Am going to sell the old 1980 Evinrude 150 for parts or to fix up as it has good compression, trim/tilt works good and lower unit looks like a current replacement. Yesterday I took the upper overlay (foredeck and gunnels) off and it is really a slick, low stelleto! I plan to install a commercial rub rail, build custom stainless side and bow rails and boarding platform but keep the interior mostly open space and I may adjust the fore/aft position of the console and seat a bit! Does anyone know how the bow of the factory 19 Low Profile was finished off? I can envision several forward deck concepts but would like to make as close to factory as possible.. I will check with Chuck Bennett at Whaler.. any info or suggestions will be appreciated! Talk about a dream project... ohhhh baby... hummmmm, now what engine should I clamp onto this sweetheart???????? Should I paint her Desert TAn, white, commercial grey or international orange??? Have already selected a name (revived from a past rig), "Mister Twister". As if I didn't have enough projects around the house.... well you're born, you do projects and you die! This one I have wanted to do for years and time is running out... Happy Whalin'.. Clark... The Old Man and the Sea
dfmcintyre posted 04-08-2001 07:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Clark -

I emailed a 19LoPro catalog to Jim, and he posted it up in Cetcea, under the latest photos of my boat. Good overhead shots.

I was always interested in finding a 21 with a trashed upper skin, and making it into a 21LoPro, just for a beach/dive boat.

I would make metal or fiberglass covers for the two small storage areas (does the 19' have them?)up in the bow. For additional storage, I would look for a _very_ narrow dock box and replace the existing seat with that. One long enough to handle ski's, tanks, etc.

We want photos!

Don

Clark Roberts posted 04-09-2001 07:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
Don, thanks for the info on the gas tank and the other suggestions. Yes, the 19 has the small storage areas (pockets). When I compare the dimensions to my 21 Revenge, sitting alongside, all dimensions are identical except for length overall (LOA) and height of sides. The 21 is same hull with two feet added at stern and with the sides cut down... The live well forward and some other forward interior molding details are different but outside they are same hull! Do you know of anyone who has made a low-profile from a 21? Wow, talk about radically outrageous! Hummmm,, do you suppose????? Happy Whalin'.. Clark.. Spruce Creek Navy
PS> Your 21 Outrage is beautiful.. always enjoy your posts!
lhg posted 04-09-2001 02:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Well, Clark, you've finally gone and done it and I'm jealous, mostly because you've got a prized project boat and I don't. That boat should be perfect for your neck of the woods from what I can tell. We'll all be waiting to see it. You, plus Jim's current Cetacea page, could be starting a new Classical Revival here with one of Whaler's MOST unusual, and least known boats.

What about that FL sun? That's going to be an interesting challenge. In the interest of keeping it a Classic, maybe you're going to have to settle for a long sleeve shirt and big hat! Can't even imagine what canvas would look like on that one! Be careful here. Lousy canvas jobs have spoiled the look of more Whalers than anything else I can think of!

You asked about engines, but I know you're not really serious and will have great fun deciding what to do with that one by yourself! But I can't resist your question, so as one Merc fanactic to another, and knowing you're no longer a speed freak (I'm starting to get that way also), and a single engine fan, how about this:

1st choice: 2001 Mercury 115HP EFI 4 stroke
(I'll bet that's a nice machine)
2nd choice: Left over Mercury 115HP Optimax
(I know they made a few of these - just a detuned 135!)
3rd choice: a good 'ole Merc 90HP 2 or 4 stroke

Without the top shell, my guess is the boat's going to fly and doesn't need as much HP. Better be sure your Igloo cooler is mounted in the Whaler cooler cleats and hooked down!
Won't be alot of places on the boat out of the wind!

And for your transom setback, how about a hydraulic lift version?

Now, if it were mine, twin engine Larry would go for a pair of Merc 4 stroke 60's and call it a day, set back about 10/12" and lifted a bit, with the Merc 4 blade Trophy Sport props! Twin engines don't run as deep as a single, so that would be good in your area.

Anyway, have fun and keep us posted!

bigz posted 04-09-2001 03:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Larry you must be taking something!

Mr. Roberts of course is not a freak! A pedal to the metal man that he is believe me --- oh he can play innocent enough though I know better ---

Hmm --- recall something about a 150 Merc thingie for the tail end of his to be speed sled --- then again he's found that the old Evinrude just might not be the trash he thought it was when he first spied this baby --- time will tell -- chuckle ---

Good question on canvas but two bits to the dollar he'll design and have locally built if he doesn't do it himself a beauty of a top ---

Tom

Clark Roberts posted 04-09-2001 03:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
Larry, we're on the same page on the engines! I am going to have plenty of time to decide as this project will take awhile! I estimate that the parts/deck removed weigh about 200-300lbs so bare hull weight should be around 1500-1600lbs. Would go nicely with a single 90 or the 115hp 4 stroker.. gee I sure like the sound of the V6 though... Tom, things just seem faster as we get older.. however that 27 with the twin 225's must really, really be fast! As to canvas , I plan to install a simple bimini sun top over the console... My old bones really can't take the Fla. sun anymore... I love the cloudy days... soggy saltines and all!!! Just pulled the gas tank and it's trash... Don McIntyre gave me a line on the OEM tank mfgr.. hope I can get a new one.. He says he would like to find a 21 OR and make a low-profile. That would be an outrageously outrageous outrage... Beam me up! Clark.. The old Man and the Sea
lhg posted 04-09-2001 06:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Tom - thanks for the inside scoop on Clark!
He sure had ME convinced he liked to go S-L-O-W!!! The Kingfish is another of these pedal-to-the-metal guys! He's off flying around coastal Gergia right now.

Clark, base on Tom's ratting you out, you're going to have to let me add the Merc Optimax 135 or 150 to my list. That ought to get you up to 50 or so real fast. Didn't know you were building a speed wagon! I figured just the opposite. You wouldn't go over 150HP now would you???

My son and I got the 18 Outrage out this weekend, and in no time he had it going 45 @ 4000RPM. I'm sitting there thinking "I don't like to go this fast anymore in a boat this size. I should sell the twin in-line 6 115s and get a pair of 60hp 4 strokes" That would do me just fine these days.

outrage posted 04-09-2001 09:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for outrage  Send Email to outrage     
Clark
There is a fishing guide on the Texas coast that has a '73 19' outrage which he converted to a low pro. He has a 2000 200hp Evinrude! It is a 60 mph+ boat. That is a little too much in my opinion, but it does fly. I have fished out of a 19' low pro with a 130hp Yamaha and it was a great match. Very responsive and pretty fuel efficient.

As for the 21' low pro (I have heard them referred to as the 21' sled) I know a guy who is currently undertaking the project. He sent me some pics of the boat and let me tell you they were outrageous! The only question he had was how much water would flow over the sides at low speeds. If you guys are intereseted I could try to locate those pictures and send them your way.

Good luck with the low pro project...I am still trying to find one myself.

Clark Roberts posted 04-09-2001 10:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
Larry, Tom's impression that I like speed is probably due to the fact that I must run some nasty oyster flats with very shallow water to get out to the ICW... speed is my ally in reducing draft.. that's why most of my boats have jack plates.. and Tom and I took his 27 cuddy accross these flats like a rocket ship... otherwise a more sedate speed is my style and also here in Volusia County, Fla. there is a max speed limit of 30mph day and 25mph night in most places so a boat that cruises in that range just makes sense. I would consider a 150 Merc just for the fun of it but really couldn't use all the speed.. hummmm ???? A pair of 60hp 4 strokers sounds good also... choices, choices, choices... Outrage, the 130 Yam sounds like it would make a really balanced rig ! Yes, would like to see pics of a 21' sled.. wow... what an opportunity..hope you find that 19'4" project boat.. keep on dreaming.. Happy Whalin'.. Clark. The Old Man and the Sea
Sam Collins posted 04-28-2001 01:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sam Collins  Send Email to Sam Collins     
I think it's about time we had an update on your project. You know all decisions and modifications must be run by the board first. Hope it's going well....
Clark Roberts posted 05-01-2001 05:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
Sam, here's the progress report! The stripped hull is upside down on a pontoon boat trailer awaiting my everloving attention! I have put project on hold 'till I return from a Jeep trip out west... Wife and I are leaving next week and will be home in about a month... I'd much rather stay home and work on a Whaler... but have promissed Sonia this trip for 3 yrs. now.. will keep you posted! Clark
lhg posted 05-01-2001 05:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Hope there's going to be a Whaler in tow!
Sam Collins posted 06-06-2001 01:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sam Collins  Send Email to Sam Collins     
Well, Hope the Westward trip was a success... But now it's time to get back to work. Looking for update on our project.. Regards - Sam
Sam Collins posted 08-21-2001 10:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sam Collins  Send Email to Sam Collins     
Clark.
Need a little inspiration, Check this out.
www.gilleysmarine.com
Tom W Clark posted 08-21-2001 11:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Ncely splashed hulls.
Clark Roberts posted 08-21-2001 06:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
Thanks Tom! I really don't need any inspiration just the time to finish! The stripped hull still rests upside-down on the trailer awaiting the magic wand! I noticed that the Texas "knock-offs" have the center console placed well forward of the position on the Whaler Lo-Pro???? I am planning to mount the console about 10" aft of original position... since there is no fwd decking this might be correct balance.. anyway ride will be better that way... I got a new 40 gal gas tank (original replacement) from Fla. Marine tanks in Miami... and I have a 20 gal Pate fiberglas tank to mount under the reversable pilot seat (rps) as a spare.. 60 gals should be fine.. now if I can just get to it!!!! Happy Whalin'//// Clark... The Old Man and the Sea
grandmufti posted 08-21-2001 10:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for grandmufti  Send Email to grandmufti     
Could you post the address and ph# of the place where you found the OEM gas tank for the 19'4 whaler.I own a 1974 and am in dire need of a new gas tank.
Clark Roberts posted 08-22-2001 07:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
Fla. Marine Tanks, Inc., 16480 NW 48th Ave, Miami 33014, 305-620-9030 ... Dwg # FMT-40-BW... Net 40gals, Weight 64lbs, ask for Arlette Torres... my price was $280 plus 6% tax... It's a first class tank! I specified an elec sending unit to drive a remote gage instead of the std. direct reading gage... Shipping is another subject,,, I picked mine up at factory so don't know about shipping details! Go for it! Happy Whalin'.. Clark.. Spruce Creek Navy
PS> the tanks are same for the 19 and 21
lhg posted 08-22-2001 01:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
One of our web experts here should move Clark's above post to the OEM section. This is valuable information for any Outrage owner.
Tsuriki BW posted 08-22-2001 01:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     
Not a Web Expert, but it's done.

Tsuriki

Tsuriki BW posted 08-22-2001 01:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     
Not a Web Expert, but it's done.

Tsuriki

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