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svengali posted 04-08-2001 11:42 AM ET (US)   Profile for svengali   Send Email to svengali  
Does anyone have a solution for tighten up all the fittings on a Montauk bow rail? The screws in the "T" fittings have all stripped out and have turned the bow rail into a real rattle trap. Has anyone considered Loctite or JB Weld to secure the fittings to the rails? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Cruiser posted 04-08-2001 10:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Cruiser    
Take em off! It will leave more room for fishing, etc..
Hank posted 04-09-2001 12:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hank  Send Email to Hank     
I have a similar problem on one fitting. The head of the screw on the forward tee fitting which attaches to the vertical support has sheared off due to corrosion. I intend to drill it out and install a larger diameter self-tapping screw. Unfortunately, I'm now in New Jersey while my boat is in Florida so I won't be able to try this for about three weeks.
Arch Autenreith posted 04-10-2001 11:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for Arch Autenreith  Send Email to Arch Autenreith     
svengali. I'll be doing what Cruiser suggested and am taking my railing off. However, one of the screws on the consol railing is stripped and am going to look into Heli-Coils. Have used them in the past for other applications and are far better than original threads but I don't know if they make them that small. I'll bet they do but I'll try finding out. Available at many auto supply stores but ones that small may have to be special ordered.
JimU posted 04-10-2001 03:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for JimU  Send Email to JimU     
My solution was to drill and tap one size larger. Go to a screw products supply house where you can get commercial stainless screws or allen wrench set screws and the proper size tap. It's a little time consuming but works well. Another solution is to take it to welding shop that does stainless...not as neat but effective. JIM
Kim posted 04-10-2001 11:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Kim  Send Email to Kim     
What I have done with the same thing is:
--go to Home Depot or a home repair store; go to the wallpaper section and get a syringe. (They use these to inject glue under wallpaper.) OK ;
--mix up some West System and fill the syringe
--now squirt [the epoxy] in the hole and wipe off the excess; let dry and you have a new hole with good BITE.
jimh posted 04-12-2001 08:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
In the West System Repair Kit for about $20 there is a syringe included. They also sell them at the marine supply store.


stagalv posted 04-12-2001 12:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for stagalv  Send Email to stagalv     
I am going to be placing my Montauk side and console rails back on my boat soon. I have decided to leave the bow rail off due to rattleing and being in the way of fishing. I looked for quite a while to find the screws which keep the rail fittings together. They are 1/2" and are the "thread cutting" type (tapered end). West Marine and Boat US do not carry these screws. I finally found these today but I had to buy 100 and only need about 2 dozen. If any of you actually need some of these screws I would be happy to send you some. Rex
lhg posted 04-12-2001 02:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Regarding those rail screws, sometime in the late 70's BW (or CMI, I guess) added a little plastic bushing under the head, for better holding power. Kind of like a locknut idea.

I wonder if those are still available from CMI? All BW rails, from 13' up to 27', and 1988 and earlier, used these.

The thread cutting design that Rex found would be particularly helpful if one is using the epoxy detail described by Kim, which sounds like a good idea to me. Why didn't I think of that?

DIVE 1 posted 04-12-2001 07:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for DIVE 1    
Did anyone ever try using sex bolts?
willyjoe1 posted 04-12-2001 07:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for willyjoe1  Send Email to willyjoe1     
what is a sex bolts ?? thanks william
DIVE 1 posted 04-12-2001 09:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for DIVE 1    
A sex bolt has two parts. One side is a normal flat head or oval head screw. The other side has a screw head with a threaded female tube. They are available in various diameters and lengths. Everyone has seen them. Look at the fasteners that hold the partition walls together in a public restroom. Notice there are no nuts on the back side of the screws. These are sex bolts.
Kim posted 04-13-2001 12:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for Kim  Send Email to Kim     
one more thing when I put the new DF 70 Suzuki on I had to fill the bottom holes from the Johonson 70 1982 2 smoker.
to do this my I sajust useing a good tape (like a waterline tape or just blue tape) first put it on the low side then put it on the high side /// ok now the trick,cut the top side of the up hill side of the tape
( top 1/2 of the tape top side) now with this done you have a tape surface that will not let the expoxy set!!!
now when you fill te hole have a piece of tape in hand to put over the hole as it fills , as it fills put the tape on and move it up as the hole fills ... now I hope this makes sence?
PS; I think you guys know by now that I CAN NOT SPELL WORTH A SH--. BUT I GET MY LIMET EVERY WEEK!!!

sex bolts I use these on door closers at work . no good around water.usely only one drive side . such as slot or phillps.and need a hole thru what ever you useing them . now I've herd of useing (roul ancors ) you know the plastic things you use in the well to hold towel bars on . (NFG)

tight lines.

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