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jimjam posted 05-21-2001 06:38 PM ET (US)   Profile for jimjam   Send Email to jimjam  
Hi There
Just bought an old whaler and am having dificulty Identifying Her.The hull number is 3A5724 which puts Her at 72 and she is definatly a 17ft Hull but she has the addition of a moulded inner deck with a centre console.I have had a look at most 17ft models listed but can not find any that look like this?
Hope some one can help
Jim
Tom W Clark posted 05-22-2001 12:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Sounds like a Cohasset with the optional raised bow platform which raised the foredeck to the level of the bow locker and maintained this level all the way back to the sides of the console.

This optional platform had several teak access hatches to access the space underneath.

lhg posted 05-23-2001 09:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Tom - I think you are describing the optional fiberglass moulded forward platform, with teak inserts. The boat could be an early 1973 model (built in late '72) with the Montauk center console. They also made a tall, skinny console that was used on the Outrage III model in 72 or 73.

Jimjam - nice to have readers from the UK! Hope we can help you out with your purchase. Welcome to the BW family. With a boat that old, it's possible your boat could have been customized by a previous owner, and is not BW original equipment. Is it Desert tan in color throughout? If so, it's definitely a 1973 model.

jimjam posted 05-25-2001 07:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimjam  Send Email to jimjam     
Thanks to Ihg and Tom W Clark for the info I will keep it on file and hope eventually to name this boat.This bit is really weird.Tom my middle name is clark and my uncle,s name is yes you guessed it Tom William Clark who just so happens to be my godfather. Weird!

Well here goes again I hope this is easier to read than it was to write.
I am pretty sure that it is BW Made but as for the colour well its what I would call cream and its that colour all over.It is hard to describe in detail but here goes.
From the gunwhale I have side decks of about 8" running from the stern to about 2ft from the bow where this turns into a foredeck following the form of the bow and obviously joining the two side decks.Now for the inside,At the stern imediatly forward of the well at about 1" lower than the well is a raised deck full width which has a back rest in the middle and acts as a forward facing bench seat.Then you have a single cockpit seat behind a centre console which sits on the raised forward deck that is at the same height as the rear raised deck.The centre of this raised deck is cut away to allow people to put there feet down.All off the patterned areas are in the same pattern as BW and it is to good a fit to be anything than original.
Well if you got through that and are still sane you are doing better than me

DIVE 1 posted 05-25-2001 08:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for DIVE 1    
Jimjam,
Take a look at page 5 of Cetacea. It sounds like you have the BW bass boat.
Jim
lhg posted 05-25-2001 08:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
OK jimjam - I've got it. You have a 1973 model year (late 72 build year, but the all cream color - desert tan officially - gelcoat color gives it away as 1973 model) Bass Boat 16!

There is a picture of one, not in particularly good shape, and with a non-factory bow rail adaption, on page 2 in the Cetacea section of this website.

Take a look and see if that's your boat! This Bass Boat model was fairly rare. The 16/17 Reference section of the site has more information for you. Good luck with your boat. LHG

lhg posted 05-25-2001 08:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Dive 1 - the brain waves must be communicating! Guess we were both solving the puzzle at the same time!
lhg posted 05-25-2001 08:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I'd forgotten about that one on page 5. What a beautiful hull buff job, and what condition! I also like the addition of the Montauk-style windshield and console rail.

jimjam - If you can make yours look that good, you'll really have a rare boat, especially over there in the UK.

DIVE 1 posted 05-25-2001 09:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for DIVE 1    
Larry,
As soon as I read the entire description provided by Jimjam, it was a no-brainer. I just left my play shop and I still have a bass boat liner leaning against the wall. Sure wish I could find a good home for it-maybe I should ship it to Whalernut.
Jim
Tom W Clark posted 05-25-2001 09:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
jimjam, there you go. These guys are good. BTW, my middle name is Watts, not William so it's not that weird.

Larry & Jim, geez, and here I thought I was the "know it all"....

lhg posted 05-25-2001 09:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Yes, Tom, when you're surfing Continuous Wave's Classic Whaler, you're traveling in tough company, yourself included!

I was just thinking - I figure there are about 3000 of us out here, hooked on Whalers and all this daily conversation about same.

If only we'd been here prior to 1996, when Brunswick bought BW for 27 million. Let's see, that would be about $9000 per person, and we'd OWN the Company and it's facilities. I can just imagine the Whaler's WE'D be turning out, with all our combined talents of Designers, Naval Architects, Engineers, Business MBA's, Bankers, Lawyers, Sales and Marketing guys, ex-Dealers, Engine experts, Fiberglass work, Manufacturing, mechanics, construction guys, wood working, law enforcement (for CPD) etc, etc, etc. We've got it all covered, I'll bet.

Only downside, we'd all have to live in Edgewater! Oh well, we missed out, anyway.

lhg posted 05-25-2001 10:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I forgot one of the most important - our Computer guys! Tons of talent here, more than BW could ever dream of. Isn't everything CAD-CAM nowadays? And a good whaler.com website too.

Maybe we should make BW an offer for all the old Classic molds and start our own operation! Among our ownrship, we could probably spash every model ever made if they won't sell us the molds!

I think I'm going off the deep end. Got to get out on the water tomorrow and get my fix.

jimjam posted 05-29-2001 08:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimjam  Send Email to jimjam     
Well between you you hav cracked it
Thank You
Jimjam
will be in touch soon about sourcing som parts.What wil it go like with a peachy 70hp johnson
david in boston posted 05-29-2001 10:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for david in boston  Send Email to david in boston     
jimjam, I have the same boat! a 1972 bass boat 16, I have owned it for only 2 years, but I really like the setup for fishing and family outings to the beach. I put a new tohatsu 70 on it. a great match for this boat. I have taken it out to cuttyhunk island (10 miles) with no problem but mostly stay close to shore. the rear casting platform was removed years ago so I put in a rear bench seat. it is very functional with tons of room to stow gear below the deck and in the side compartments. I am going camping this june to washburn Island off Cape Cod with some other whaler owners and their kids. we will load up the boats with tents, stoves and fishing gear. should be fun. David
jimjam posted 05-30-2001 05:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimjam  Send Email to jimjam     
Thanks David
We are going to the lake district for the same sort of trip once it is finished.I have a few probs that maybe you guys can help with
Firsly the non slip deck areas have been damaged in the past and filled so I now have decks with different surfaces which looks awfull does any body make a thin skin of the original pattern that can be bonded over the top.This would be my prefered option failing that I am going to put trackmark on as I can not make any headway with trying to repair them.Secondly where can I get a screen the same as the one fitted on page 5 of cetacea as that looks pretty cool to me.Last but not least it has been fitted with a bow rail which has US Fittings that are badly coroded and in need of replacement,The T peices and deck fittings are all in need of replacment is it best to talk to BW direct for this as we only have sales agents over here and they do not seem that interested in the supply of parts.
Thanks Again
Jimjam
jimh posted 05-30-2001 08:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Very nice work, everybody, in helping identify this boat.

david in boston you should send us some images of the "after" pictures of your restoration.

jimjam you also should send us a picture, something with the boat and a bit of the U.K. in the background, so we can tell where she is.

lhg has a good idea. Let's get the mold for the 18-Outrage and go into production of a "Classic Whaler."

jimjam posted 05-30-2001 07:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimjam  Send Email to jimjam     
Jimh I will send a pic once it is finished but it may take a while as she is now completely striped awaiting Glass,Epoxy,Paint and plenty of hours.
Thanks To All
jimjam
david in boston posted 05-31-2001 02:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for david in boston  Send Email to david in boston     
JIMJAM

I also have the tall bow rail on my bass boat. I think you can get parts from CMI here in Boston for all the railings on old whalers (see the OEM supplier section for details) My deck surface is fine, allthough the balsa core is soft in spots, so I plan on taking the whole deck insert off next wintwer and fix those areas. I will send some pics as well but I havent done much to my boat except a new mills bimini, some new electronics, the new engine and a general clean-up. the hull itself is in great shape for such an old boat, no spider cracks, etc. I wonder if the newport-like deck insert protects and stiffens the hull somewhat to help avoid cracks etc.? I really like the hawse pipe on the forward deck for my anchor line, the newport doesnt have this for some reason. the huge amount of space under the deck is great as well. I can put all the camping gear-tents, stoves, coolers, sleeping bags, 5 gallons of water, etc. and when the hatches are closed you still have full use of the forward deck. David

david in boston posted 05-31-2001 11:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for david in boston  Send Email to david in boston     
JIMJAM,
My whaler bass boat # is 3A5984, made on june 15, 1972. probably very close in time to when yours was made. you can call Whaler and they can give you the manufacturing and delivery info based on your hull #. David
jimjam posted 06-04-2001 01:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimjam  Send Email to jimjam     
David
Thanks for the info I will check out if they will deliver to UK
JIM
jimjam posted 06-07-2001 07:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimjam  Send Email to jimjam     
Well what do you make of this this is the description of the boat I received from whaler.a 16'7" Tashmoo model and was shipped
over to a North Shore Yachts LTD in Hampshire, England on 4/13/72.Standard equipment includes all Bare-hull equipment plus,
lights/plexiglass windshield (at the bow), stainless bow rail, stainless
console rail, mechanical steerer, swivel pilot seat, cushioned stern seat,
forward platform with vinyl covered cushions and bolsters, fore and aft
lift eyes, bow bitt, port and starboard storage compartments, forward
storage locker with fiberglass hatch.
Now that was a shock and I now need to find a picture of this model for reference
HELP!
Jim
lhg posted 06-07-2001 08:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I know they made a model called a Tashmoo, named for for a saltwater pond on Martha's Vineyard, but my memory fails me on it's appearance. Someone with a 1972 or 73 catalog will have to help here. That's one of the few I don't have.

What really mystifies me, however, is it's shipping date in April 72 as a tan gelcoat boat! It must have been one of the VERY first tan hulls, since the 72 model year 16 & 13' boats were still blue on the interior, and the 73's (which would normally go into production in July) introduced the tan, like Jack's boat. It could have been a prototype, demo model, which could be why they shipped it out the country so it wouldn't be seen here until the official 73 model year boats were introduced to the Dealers/Public. Who knows.

During these years, BW had a few short-lived names, and this was one of them. So was the Cohasset. With the bow windshield, I am wondering if this is the Newport predecessor?
If it looks like the Bass Boat, it could also be that predecessor. Or a hybrid, with the bow windshield. We need a catalog reference on this one.

jimjam posted 06-08-2001 07:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimjam  Send Email to jimjam     
Thanks IHG
Only I could end up with a boat this confusing where do we find this catologue reference.I am going to finish it of a bit diferent to the spec as I am strugling to find parts so it will probably end up as a 16Ft7" Bass Boat now theres a new one.It does not have the smirk not sure if this will help in identification.
Jim
david in boston posted 06-08-2001 05:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for david in boston  Send Email to david in boston     
here is something from Chris on an old post:

In ref. to your inquiry about the Tashmoo model. I can tell that I saw one for sale in a local
marina. It was a 1972. It was advertised as a 16 but was actually the standard 16'4 " hull used for all the
17 models. It was White with blue interior. Console and seat were fibergalss (no wood to be found).
Additionally, helmsman's seat was a permanent back to back design. Rear of seat could be used to seat
passengers with cushion, or could have a wood insert that would create a cutting board or work station.

whalernut posted 06-11-2001 08:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
I also am curious about this model, I would also like to see a picture of one, as David describes it sounds like a neat model! Regards-Jack Graner.
Ed Stone posted 06-11-2001 10:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
I've got the 72 catalog and it shows
the bass boat and the Tashmoo.
The liners look simular.The Tashmoo
has a smoked windsheild and bow rail.
Someday I'll make it into the 21century
and buy a scanner.
Good Luck JimJam!
Ed Stone
lhg posted 06-12-2001 03:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Thanks, Ed, we may be learning something here. It sounds like the Tashmoo may be the predecessor to the Newport model. JimH, take note, for the reference section.
jimjam posted 06-14-2001 09:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimjam  Send Email to jimjam     
It is definately a great boat or at least it will be!It is from what I can make out a cross beetween the Newport and the Bass Boat I will try and keep this thread updated as and when I find any Info
Jim

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