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gunnelgrabber posted 07-12-2001 08:08 PM ET (US)   Profile for gunnelgrabber   Send Email to gunnelgrabber  
could i get a digital picture from some of you that show the base or underpinnings of these platforms? oem or homemade, either one will do and any thing( plans? )would be greatly appreciated.thanks ...lm
DIVE 1 posted 07-12-2001 09:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for DIVE 1    
Do you have the forward deck in your boat now? I have a set of the forward deck stanchions from a BW bass boat. If you need them, E-mail me your address and I would be more than happy to send them to you.
Jim
gunnelgrabber posted 07-12-2001 10:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for gunnelgrabber  Send Email to gunnelgrabber     
dive1,...no, i don't have a real one like i see in brochures and in cretacea.i do have a rough homemade deal that came from previous owner,it's falling apart.would like to redo it as large as possible; for cast netting,fishing and sleeping.i'm curious about how it sits on the uneven deck surfaces.thanks for the reply.don't you need to keep them?i might like to make patterns from them..a bw bass boat is a unique critter i'd keep all the pieces to it!(email to follow)...lm
DIVE 1 posted 07-12-2001 10:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for DIVE 1    
I have the entire bass boat liner minus the rear stanchions and side rails. The liner was removed to make a center console hull for the owner. I would love to give away the entire liner and components. It is taking up space in my shop and I have no intentions of reusing it.
Jim
gunnelgrabber posted 07-12-2001 11:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for gunnelgrabber  Send Email to gunnelgrabber     
jim, Wow!! a creative type should be able to make a platform from that, but it'd be a shame not to make a bass boat from it. didn't it have it's own special small console?...if no one takes you up on the offer, i'll help you clean up your shop somehow....lm
lhg posted 07-13-2001 01:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
OK, let me give this description a try. I built a perfect replica of Sakonnet/Nauset Forward Platform in teak for my 1971 Nauset.
I drew up a full set of dimensioned plans, but gave them away to the person who bought the boat in 1988. I think it is one of the best features you could have in one of these boats. Had plenty of storage space underneath. A real multi-purpose accessory.
(One of these, slightly different dimensions was also available for the Currituck model)

The deck is made of four component assemblies forming the surface. As most know, it is kind of U shaped in plan, and wraps around the console sides. You step up on the deck at the aft edge of the console. Each side assembly, with maybe 4 boards forming it's surface (all nominal 1" material, actually 7/8" or so) extended from the bow deck to the aft edge of the console. (Remember this is for a 16' hull, not a 17). There were about 5 cross pieces underneath to support the decking boards, spanning from the gunwales to the console beam. On the gunwales, these cross supports rested on the hull lip (lower of the two). This lip is what determines the overall deck height above the floor (+7/8" for the cross members, and 7/8" for the deck board thickness. Then 7/8 x 7/8 spacer blocks are screwed into the SIDE of the hull (where there is the 3/4 x 3/4 wood backer blocking) and filling the space between the cross members, keeping the deck from sliding fore or aft. Then finally (still on each gunwale side) a 7/8" x 1 1/2" hold down rail is screwed into the spacer blocks. At the gunwales, no screws actually are used in the cross members, because there is nothing to screw into. The spacers and hold downs do the work instead. Now, on the other side (console side) of the side deck cross members, a varnished mahogany beam is used, which through-bolts into the side of the lower console plywood, and this beam extends forward, with a notched-up bottom surface, so that it just sits (unconnected) on the hull pads up near the bow locker. So this beam, one on each side of the console, has a level top surface, and the cross beams of the side decks are screwed into it. The beam is 1 1/2" wide and about 2 1/2" deep at the console, but only about 1" deep as it hits the forward pads in the hull. Here again, the top spacers are used on top of the beam between the cross supports, and then a 7/8" x 7/8" (I think) hold down goes on top. I also remember that the top surface of the deck just tucks under the overhanging lip from the upper console.

So if you're still following, so far we have the console beams, supporting the two side deck sections. The part that sits directly in fromt of the console is next, to fill the remaining center opening.

This is a lift-out 2 piece section, meaning it is not screwed down, but simply rests on the console beams. It spans across the opening, side to side. It is made from two similar assemblies, hinged together so the front half opens up (backward) to form a seat where you can put your legs down to the boat floor, and when opened perfectly holds two boat cushions between it's spanning beams as a normal front seat. When opened up, you are sitting on the bottom surface of this deck section. Each piece has 8 or ten decking boards, same width as the side deck boards, running also bow to stern direction. These in turn are screwed into cross beams on the underside, about 2 1/2" deep x 7/8" thick, and notched up to 7/8" on the bottom edges so they sit on the main console beams, keeping all four deck sections level. The rear (aft) section of this center deck is longer than the front section, since the rear section tucks under the upper console front edge, and then when the fron section is opened back, it doesn't hit the console. The difference is about an inch.

So there you have it, about as good a verbal description as possible. A drawing is worth a 1000 words here. Maybe some day!

BW only offered this deck in white painted wood, but never liked that. In teak, it was beautiful!

lhg posted 07-13-2001 01:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Further to the above, the bowe rail is pretty well essential with this, because you're standing much high when on it. It's design does not interfere with the bow rail stantions. The deck hold down rails are inside of the bow rail.
dfmcintyre posted 07-13-2001 09:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Larry -

Did you ever see (beyond the catalog shots) the fiberglass w/teak hatch covers forward platform? Saw one in person once, and it was beautiful. Would have loved to have those molds.

D

gunnelgrabber posted 07-13-2001 09:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for gunnelgrabber  Send Email to gunnelgrabber     
larry, thank you for that word picture.it sure makes me wish i had a factory one.the one don mentions must really be a rare item..both really..i'll do me one but it'll be a shade more utilitarian than one of your beautiful showpieces---prof of architectural design?..you give us mortals something to aspire to.i appreciate what you do all of us ...leland
Bigshot posted 07-13-2001 10:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Had the factory fiberglass and teak one on my 76. Weighed about 80lbs and was a pain in the a**. Montauks are not the smoothest boats and you know what it is like to BANG. Imagine that lump of fiberglass and wood doors banging around. I took it out and sold it last year for $350. I thought about keeping it for my next whaler which I just got, but remembered why I removed it to begin with. Just FYI.
andygere posted 07-13-2001 12:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
My '79 Montauk has half of a sleeping/casting platform, nicely constructed out of teak by the previous owner. My plan is to modify and add to this to ultimately have a 3-piece forward deck that can be easily removed. I have played around with several sketches, but I'd love to see any photos or drawings of both factory and homebuilt platforms. LHG, if you have a photo, I'd love to see one. Your detailed description is excellent.
Bigshot posted 07-13-2001 01:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
The best place to find pics of the factory is in the old catalogs. The 78 has it on th e front cover.
gunnelgrabber posted 07-13-2001 01:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for gunnelgrabber  Send Email to gunnelgrabber     
andygere, i'd sure like to see a picture of your installation.sounds practical..bigshot! you're right..but..it's hard to function up there on that tiny deck.. and behind it ,you drop off onto steps ,anchors etc.tough even for well coordinated sober people.also i've no bow rail.it's a one person deal at best, with the platform i think two could operate up there.yes, it's a tradeoff and i believe in traveling light...but i think i'd enjoy the use of one..lhg: i never knew the oem deal had a "fold the hatch up" seat provision.that is useful.enjoyed that.thanks to all...lm
lhg posted 07-13-2001 11:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Thanks, Leland and Andy, for your comments.

Regarding the forward platform Don M is mentioning, it was offered for the (at the time) brand new Montauk. For pictures of an earlier one, any catalog pre 1973 should have one in it.

I will dig out some old pictures, and see if I can find one of mine. There could be one in Cetacea, I don't know.

lhg posted 07-13-2001 11:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Found a picture of the original Forward Platform in the 16/17 Reference Section, Models. It was scanned from a Xerox copy of a 1970 catalog picture, but it shows the deck.

I had indicated the side sections had 4 planks, but they only have three. You can make out the extent of the center lift out sections by noting the two round finger holes for lifting it up.

counterstrike posted 07-14-2001 09:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for counterstrike    
Images of A 1970 BW BB / Striper @ http://fmbfla.tripod.com/whaler.htm
gunnelgrabber posted 07-14-2001 06:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for gunnelgrabber  Send Email to gunnelgrabber     
counterstrike,...thanks for the educational photo study, adds a lotof bass boat info to what we've been talking about.good luck on your restoration.. looks like "real florida "in those pictures.best wishes...lm
counterstrike posted 07-14-2001 10:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for counterstrike    
thanks fer the perk

The Cooler seat came fromanother whaler The hull used to have 3 pedistal seats fore, aft and helm.

-Drew

counterstrike posted 07-15-2001 10:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for counterstrike    
gunnelgrabber,
I got 3 more pics up that show in great detail, the underlying supports for the "front deck" Keep in Mind that this is a "CAP" that covers the entire boat except for the cockpit area which is 4'6" +/- wide and 4' 1" +/- deep (front platform to back platform, The wood I belive is mahogany, It appears to have been made completly, Wood stringers and Glass work, then placed onto the Striped(bare) Hull.
I will be takeing the top off in a few months to have the wood relaced, as you can see one support on the port rear has some rot. :-(

-Drew

gunnelgrabber posted 07-15-2001 01:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for gunnelgrabber  Send Email to gunnelgrabber     
10-4, counterstrike..i'm thinking of a detachable setup, not bolted to the console....found the platform picture lhg referred to with the fingerholes. neat. specially the little boy(?) asleep in the opening with the cushions...do good...lm

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