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LKS posted 07-19-2001 09:57 PM ET (US)   Profile for LKS   Send Email to LKS  
Great site! First post. Discovered the site while researching potential purchase of 11' Whaler. The problem: the bilge pump located under rear bench seat cycles on and off every 10 minutes or so, regardless of whether there's water--almost like it's on a timer. Any thoughts?
LarrySherman posted 07-19-2001 10:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for LarrySherman  Send Email to LarrySherman     
It may not be a problem at all. Some of the new pumps have a timer in them to cycle autmatically, and don't need a float switch. Look through the threads from Jan on this year forward and you'll find a lot of info on them.

Larry

PS: Welcome aboard! Its a great place!

Macman posted 07-19-2001 11:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for Macman  Send Email to Macman     
I have to wonder why one would need a bilge pump on that boat....
counterstrike posted 07-19-2001 11:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for counterstrike    
lol Me too
counterstrike posted 07-19-2001 11:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for counterstrike    
:confused
LKS posted 07-20-2001 08:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for LKS  Send Email to LKS     
Used not only as a harbor tender, but on Lake Michigan on calm days. Big boat wake over the bow . . . water's gotta go somewhere (and the plug's in line with the outboard prop). We were anchored in about 3' water last weekend and several waves washed over. Deck shoes were floating. Bilge pump or bail? I'll take the bilge pump. :-)
LarrySherman posted 07-20-2001 08:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for LarrySherman  Send Email to LarrySherman     
LKS, One of the most important aspects of the BW design is the foam cored hull. Pull the plug, if you are nervous, do it at the dock. Unless you have structual problems you are not aware of, the water will drain. At any rate, the pump is proably fine.
LarrySherman posted 07-20-2001 09:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for LarrySherman  Send Email to LarrySherman     
PS, if the plug is REALLY in line with the prop, not just vertically, but horizontally as well, then you have more serious problems.
jameso posted 07-20-2001 09:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for jameso  Send Email to jameso     
I cannot understand the thinking on this forum "I have a Boston Whaler it's unsinkable therfore I do not need a bilge pump"?????I have a pump in my 15 that serves double duty as a bilge pump and aerator. I can also use it to wash down the boat if necessary. Considering the $ amount and the peace of mind it gives me, I think, it is a good mod.I personally do not like water sloshing around my feet even if the boat is not going to sink. Also you guys with a 13 or 15 and weigh 180+ please stand between the motor well and the rear seat for 5 minutes,,,are ya wet yet? Hate to think what this would be like in an 11 footer with waves! Thanks for the forum, Jim Armstrong 15 with pride!
LKS posted 07-20-2001 12:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for LKS  Send Email to LKS     
Larry -- Thanks for the info. Prop is vertically in line with plug, but it IS below way the plug. Still, I'm not taking any chances reaching back there to pull the plug while we're on the lake--even while bobbing around at anchor with the engine off. The bilge does look to be a newer model, didn't see a float switch. It's probably one that cycles automatically; will double check next time we're at the boat, just to make sure.
Jim -- I like your line of thought. :-)
Peter posted 07-20-2001 01:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
I'm confused, what's the prop got to do with the drain? Sounds like the plug is on the outside, instead of on the inside.
jimh posted 07-20-2001 02:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I made the same inference: LKS's drain plug sounds like it is on the transom side of the drain instead of on the cockpit side of the drain!

I think there is a whole fleet of boats that locate the drain plug externally because it would be very awkward to get to it if placed internally. That is on boat with bilges and rear lockers, etc.

But on a Whaler you put the drain plug on the inside of the transom drain!

Tsuriki BW posted 07-20-2001 02:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     
The drain plug on my Dauntless 24 is on the outside! Need a "coin" to remove it.

Tsuriki

Tsuriki BW posted 07-20-2001 02:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     
Put on glasses. Ooops. Can I type Dauntless "14".

Tsuriki

LKS posted 07-20-2001 03:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for LKS  Send Email to LKS     
Drain plug is external, can't get to it easily. Bilge water pumps through clear tube, up and out over the transom, near engine mount. Set-up works fine; my concern was that it was cycling on and off every 10 min. or so. Wasn't sure if this was "normal" or not.
Peter posted 07-20-2001 04:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Ahhhh. Ever try putting the plug on the inside? I think Whaler really intended that the plug be used on the inside part of the drain tube on the 11', just like the 13'.

As far as your pump, it sounds like an automatic (no float switch) that has a 10 minute sampling cycle. A little microprocessor will spin the pump for a few seconds to sense the load on the motor. If the load is below a certain threshold, it shuts off, if above due to the presence of water, it continues to run until the load drops below the threshold for a few second when the water is all gone.

alan posted 07-20-2001 06:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for alan  Send Email to alan     
LKS - Don't worry - there is too much talk here over nothing - Put your plug on the inside of your transom and the pump will not drain your battery down. Go out and enjoy that Whaler. If your under way and a wave comes over - pull the plug, it'll help your pump.
alan
jimh posted 07-20-2001 11:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
"too much talk over nothing"...

I think LKS bought a Whaler-11 and the guy that sold it to him had the drain plug ass-backwards.

Now he's found out it goes on the inside, not the outside.

It is much easier to use it that way. It does not fit the "whaler way" to have a drain plug that requires you to lean over the back of the boat to remove.

--jimh

beby138 posted 07-21-2001 08:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for beby138  Send Email to beby138     
I have a Rule Auto 500ghp on my 13'68 and i would never go out without it ,all you had to do is power down for 10-20 sec and power back on.
Mike
Peter posted 07-21-2001 09:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
I had a 74 13 Sport and never had a bilge pump. Absolutely didn't need it. However, I could understand having one in a 13 with the older transom redesign (like the '68, for example). The transom drain plug is much harder to reach.
Makonut posted 07-21-2001 12:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Makonut  Send Email to Makonut     
You have a automatic bilge pump (I use the same thing..The timed auto replaces the need for the switch that activates the pump at a certain water level. If your away from the boat for any lenght of time, and a rain comes, your going to be thankful for that auto pump. (as long as its getting juice) The whaler may be unsinkable, but it sure is difficult finding your candy bars in a foot of water
Bigshot posted 07-23-2001 11:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Man thank god my boats are unsinkable. It poured sat night and I went to bail on Sunday and my 17 had water up to the well. Got in(bit tricky)and pulled plug. went in and had breakfast. Came out and boatwas "dry". Pumped the last waith a handpump. Thought about a bilge pump but too many trees and leaves.

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